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Ben Riley was Peter Parker, the "Peter" was the clone the whole time. Unless there is a retcon I am unaware of. Also, Peter has a child named Ben in the M2 Universe: Spider-Girl

This would be easier if my friend who reads everything Spider-Man was available any other day but wednesday, my personal collection only has Birth of Venom, Maximum Carnage, & The Onslaught Saga(if you can count that as a Spidey story), I follow X-Men as Marvel has a real issue with releasing way too many titles for one hero/team.
 

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That's what I was saying, the "Ben" in question could be Ben Riley, not Uncle Ben.
 

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Ben dies also their are several different versions of spiderman out there how do you know which one they're going with?
 

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^That's the exact point. They are NOT going with any of them!

This story never happened in any of the movies where Richard Parker used to work with Curt Connors!
 

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^That's the exact point. They are NOT going with any of them!

This story never happened in any of the movies where Richard Parker used to work with Curt Connors!

You mean comics?

and your big complaint is that the movie... excuse me while i laugh my ass off... your big complpaint is that the movie is too ORIGINAL lets imagine for a second that comics didn't have different versions every few years then we would still just have a movie with some originality to it.


Here's a great article about the movie though i disagree with some of his points.

BETTER PETER PARKER: Raimi's
Not that Tobey Maguire was perfect, but he did seem like the nerd Peter Parker was supposed to be, at least in the first movie. Andrew Garfield's Peter seems to have no interest in science beyond how it involves his missing parents and having an Einstein poster on his wall. He does sweet tricks on his skateboard(?!) and he looks like a Brooklynite hipster that spends waaaaay too much time on his oddly large hair as opposed to the awkward dweeb Tobey portrays. He's full of confidence, both before and after he gets spider-powers, although after he gets spider-powers he's much more of a dick. He may stutter around Gwen, but it's not the nervousness of a nerd, it's a hipster thinking his feelings are too intense for him to put into words. I really, really disliked Garfield as Peter; and Amazing spends a lot more time on Peter than Spider-Man, Seriously, it's like 45 minutes before Uncle Ben even dies.

BETTER SPIDER-MAN: Amazing
Because, as I said above, the fight scenes and webslinging are really, really good in Amazing. The fight scenes are much more acrobatic, and the webbing is used a lot more. There's a lot of CG, but there's a lot of physical stunt work too, and it's blended together a lot better. Plus, whatever I think Andrew Garfield's faults might be, the man is both muscled and thin. He looks like Spidey in the suit... a lot.

BETTER SPIDER-MAN JOKES: Amazing
Barely. Neither Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield are particularly funny or clever as Spider-Man -- those looking for actual quips will have to wait for Sony's next reboot -- but Garfield's dickishness comes a tiny bit closer to what I imagine is Spider-Man's sense of humor than Maguire's lackadaisical drawl. Really, the only "quip" Garfield tells is the "small knives" joke, which I vaguely recall being funny once before I'd seen it 18 million times in the promo videos.

BETTER GIRL: Amazing
Emma Stone by a country mile. This is probably because Stone is a much better actress than Kirsten Dunst. However, making Gwen Dr. Curt Connors' Head of Interns was dumb and extremely lazy writing to get Gwen in more scenes/danger. This sounds kind of horrible, but I always appreciated in the first movie that Kirsten Dunst's Mary Jane wasn't particularly bright or talented, but just the popular and very pretty girl next door. That's a lot more realistic to me than Pete falling in love with the supermodel and Academy Award-winning actress/head of interns at the same Oscorp lab his father used to work at of the comics and Amazing. Dunst's Mary Jane is basically a standard fictional cheerleader, and nerds fall in love with cheerleaders all the time. As a nerd that fell in love in with a popular and very pretty cheerleader who wasn't particularly bright or talented back in high school, I can assure you there is significant truth to this stereotype. Obviously, it goes without saying that by no means are all cheerleaders not bright or not talented.

BETTER UNCLE BEN: Amazing
No offense to the late Cliff Robertson, but Martin Sheen just radiates paternal kindness and wisdom.

BETTER AUNT MAY: Raimi's
Meanwhile, I have no fucking clue why Sally Field is in the movie. Uncle Ben has way more lines than she does. She may have two or three post-Ben's death scenes and they're all incredibly rote. Anyone could have done this role, and Field just sleepwalks through it. As least Rosemary Harris seems like she truly loves Peter. Enough so that, if he came home covered in cuts, injuries and blood, like ihe does n the end of Amazing, she would get him to the hospital instead of just letting it go.

BETTER ORIGIN: ???
Well, this is complicated, so we have to break it down.

BETTER USE OF PETER'S PARENTS: Raimi's
Raimi's movies didn't mention them at all. Amazing makes them a major plot point for the first two minutes, and then pretty much stops mentioning them at all, presumably to save the big reveal for a sequel. I'm on record as not caring for Peter's parents as spies/awesome scientists/whatever -- I feel it cheapens Peter as a hero -- but the bait and switch especially sucks.

BETTER GETTING BIT BY A RADIOACTIVE SPIDER: Raimi's
Loose scientific experimental spider gets loose and bites random student on field trip. Unlikely? Yes, but plausible. Kid enters major office building on day randomly on day of some kind of intern initiation, steals badge that clearly doesn't belong to him, meets the girl he just meet a few minutes ago at school for the first time happening to be leading said intern initiation, uses that opportunity to sneak into the lab where his father worked, finds a room full of fucking spiders, enters room of fucking spiders, immediately touches the shit covered by fucking spiders, dozens of spiders fall on him, one bites him later. Unlikely? FUCK AND YES.

BETTER DEVELOPING HIS POWERS: Raimi's
Both movies have scenes where Peter doesn't know how to control his powers, both are generally played for laughs, and both are fine. However, I think the Raimi has a slight advantage in that scene where Peter wakes up cut, and is so happy about it -- it's classic nerd wish fulfillment fantasy. The disadvantage of Amazing is that Spidey's origin takes three times as long, but doesn't really include any more content, it's just padded out with scenes of Peter talking to people, while all I want to see as an audience member is Peter trying out his new powers. But Amazing's bigger problem is when Peter has the idea for webslinging, because he's in an abandoned warehouse doing sick flips and ollies and punchbuggies and whatever-the-fuck-they're-called tricks on his skateboard, and eventually starts swinging around the chains hanging from the ceiling. I can understand if you have no problems with this scene, but I just hated it. Not only was it incredibly on-the-nose -- because how else could a kid bit by a radioactive spider even think of developing webshooters unless he just happened to start swinging on some chains first? -- but more because a badass skateboarder is antithetical to my idea of Peter Parker. Organic or home-made webshooters, don't care. Parents super spy scientists or not? I prefer not, but I'll go with it. Hell, I don't care if Peter Parker is black or white. But I don't think I should ever see Peter Parker doing extreme sports in his spare time, spider-powers or not. I expected him to pull out a can of Mountain Dew at any second. Also, there's this:

BETTER USE OF SPIDER-SENSE: Raimi's
Not that I think Raimi did anything great with it, but Amazing introduces it with a scene where Peter uses it to involuntarily beats the shit out of a bunch of innocent people on a subway. For some reason, his Spidey-Sense doesn't just inform him of danger, it makes him immediately punch that danger. It's just weird and does nothing for my opinion of that Garfield's Peter Parker is a dick.

BETTER UNCLE BEN'S DEATH: Raimi's
Amazing figures out a very clever way to make Peter responsible for Uncle Ben's death without the wrestling match insanity (RIP Bonesaw), and I get what Amazing was trying to do by having Ben gunned down by a random crook -- by not giving him a dying scene, it becomes more of a random, senseless crime, and a bit more realism -- but I'm sorry, I need that "With great power comes great responsibility" line. Amazing's equivalent is for Uncle Ben to say "If you have the chance to be good, you should be good", which is just a more awkward, less succinct variation of the original. If you had to have Uncle Ben give a hamfisted moral lesson to Peter right before he kicks it, why not use the beloved original instead of a crappy copy?

BETTER SPIDEY OUTFIT: Draw
I wasn't a fan of the original Raimi outfit, but compared to the new one, it seems kind of quaint. However, I must admit the new one looks great in motion, even though god help me it looks like its made of basketballs.

BETTER VILLAIN: Raimi's
This is kind of unfair, since few comic book villains can stand up to Willem Dafoe's wonderfully deranged Green Goblin. But even without that, I enjoyed Peter's faux father relationship with Osborn and how that screwed up Harry, and how it gets twisted along with Norman's mind. Amazing tries to replicate that with Connors having known Pete's parents, but since the movie drops the whole parents angle pretty quick, it comes to nothing (and is weird since Peter barely bothers to even ask Dr. Connors about his folks). Then it tries to say Peter "created" the Lizard by giving him the missing part of his formula, except it's just an equation and Peter hardly held a gun to Connors head to make him his test the serum.

BETTER VILLAIN PLOT: Raimi's
Dafoe/Osborn takes a dangerous serum, goes crazy, then mostly tries to kill Spider-Man. Simple, but effective. Ifans/Connors takes a dangerous serum, goes crazy, then occasionally tries to kill Spider-Man while making a plan to turn everybody in NYC into lizard people because they are lonely. Lizards apparently lead rich social lives. Who knew?

BETTER ACTION SCENES: Amazing
Seriously, all of Amazing's webslinging and fight scenes were great. So many classic Spider-Man poses are hit. The webs are used really, really well in the fights. The fight choreography is just great.

BETTER SCHMALTZY MOMENT WHERE THE CITIZENS OF NEW YORK SHOW THEIR APPRECIATION FOR SPIDER-MAN: Raimi's
You can look at this one of two ways: 1) the subway scene in Spider-Man 2 where he saves a train with his mask off and everyone refuses to give away his identity, which I thought was schmaltzy but earned, or 2) the fact there is no schmaltzy scene in Raimi's first Spider-Man. Meanwhile, in Amazing, Spider-Man saves a kid whose dad happens to somehow be connected to every crane worker in the city, and there just happen to be cranes spaced equally apart down the same avenue, and oh Spider-Man got hurt and he can't get to Oscorp tower in time, and the crane dude sees it and gets all the cranes positioned over the avenue in about two minutes so Spidey can websling easily and quickly to the tower. It's about as subtle as a Dr. Octopus giving a prostate exame, and the fact that it happens in the very first movie -- after Spider-Man has saved less than a dozen people, tops -- makes it all the cheaper.

RANDOM NOTES:

Raimi's Spider-Man was more fun.

I really, really hate the intimation that Peter's dad did something to Peter that made him "destined" to be a superhero/get spider powers/whatever. I genuinely feel it cheapens the character.

However, Amazing Spider-Man never feels more like Spider-Man than when the Lizard attacks Peter at the school. Great stuff. Possibly my favorite scene of all Spidey movies, perhaps after the scene where Tobey discovers his powers.

Apparently that spider also bit Andrew Garfield's shoes, because they stick to walls just like his hands do. I assume Raimi's Spider-Man did this occasionally too, although I don't remember it.

In case you were wondering if Andrew Garfield takes his mask off as much as Tobey Maguire did... yes. Very much so. I don't blame either of 'em, though -- that's just the problem with having good, big budget superhero movies. It's hard to act behind a mask, and if you're paying qualified actors, mass audiences want to see their faces anyways. Sorry about that. It's the price we pay. Personally, I'll take it.

The Flash bully character is ridiculously cliché in Amazing, and really stands out as terrible with the more serious, solemn vibe Amazing is going for. This means when Flash suddenly is nice to Peter, it's extra sudden and out of nowhere. It's something Raimi's goofier, more comic book-y movie pulled off that Amazing can't.

Hey, director Mark Webb -- I get what you were trying to do when Connors uses his faux arm to catch Spidey before he falls off the building (the Lizard had broken his webshooters a bit before) but Spider-Man's most notable power is that he can stick to things. Even without webshooters, he should have been fine.

HOLY SHIT WAS THE SCORE BAD. It was absurdly overblown, incredibly trite, and made every scene cheaper with its utter lack of subtlety. In a movie like Amazing Spider-Man, I should never notice the score -- but it was so brazen and loud and pompous that I never stopped noticing it. They say music is supposed to have a message, and if so, then composer James Horner was trying to tell the audience "FEEL [INSERT EMOTION HERE] AS HARD AS YOU CAN OR I WILL KICK YOUR FUCKING TEETH IN."
 

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I find it funny that not once is it mentioned that JJ is even in this film, but who could have done a better job than JK Simmons. I still find it odd to have a Spidey film without the usual "He's a blasted menace I tell you" every 20 minutes.

Anyone who has seen this film, does Uncle Ben die? I have heard conflicting stories about that.

Messing with the origins of a hero is very dangerous territory. Take the murder of Bruce Waynes parents away from Batman, or the murder of Frank Castles family away from Punisher and you lose the entire story for both characters. Take something like the murder of Uncle Ben and you lose all impact of the "with great power comes great responsability" line, and Spider-Man fails more than most other heroes.
 

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@Primetime
Did I say originality is the problem of the movie?

In my post a page or two back, I did point out that "I" felt that the plot was good but movie was average at best because of the reasons mentioned in that post itself. Consider being a little less judgmental before, uhmm what was it?.."laughing your ass off".
 

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I find it funny that not once is it mentioned that JJ is even in this film, but who could have done a better job than JK Simmons. I still find it odd to have a Spidey film without the usual "He's a blasted menace I tell you" every 20 minutes.

Anyone who has seen this film, does Uncle Ben die? I have heard conflicting stories about that.

Messing with the origins of a hero is very dangerous territory. Take the murder of Bruce Waynes parents away from Batman, or the murder of Frank Castles family away from Punisher and you lose the entire story for both characters. Take something like the murder of Uncle Ben and you lose all impact of the "with great power comes great responsability" line, and Spider-Man fails more than most other heroes.

But they aren't running off of the other films. This is an entirely new film, so some things are expected to change, although I'd still love to hear JJ again, and of course that powerful line.
 

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That line was changed to something different for the film, but it was still said by Ben, and yes, he dies. It even says it up there, haha.^
 

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LOL @ Peter being a hipster!?!?!?!?!?! Suddenly not sure I want to see this anymore.

Listen, folks: Peter is a NERD. In every reboot INCLUDING Ultimate, he's been a nerd. That's the POINT of the character. I want to IDENTIFY with Spidey. There's a REASON he's my favourite superhero - I'm basically Peter Parker, minus awesome powers and hot model girlfriend. What I am NOT is a dickweed Brooklyn version of Edward Cullen - and neither is Peter.

And when you add changing SPIDEY'S BLOODY GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING MOTTO to something else...I just don't know anymore.

At least Uncle Bloody Ben does die...

/fanboy rant.
 

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The last review I heard, the only possitive thing they could say asides from the CG, was that it was better than Spider-Man 3. Sadly even Daredevil, Elektra, & Catwoman were all better than that crap.

@Rated, if Spider-Man existed only in the movies, and didnt have 50 years of history behind the character, I wouldnt care as much about screwing around with origins. But this is Spider-Man a comic book icon, and the only non DC to make up the top 3. Everybody knows "Bit by spider>wrestling match>lets robber go>Uncle Ben dies>Spider-Man is born". Even The Walking Dead made sure to keep Rick, Lori, Carl, & Shane's origins in line before changing the story for television.

@Pete, agree with everything there. If they wanted that type of character, why isnt it a Gambit movie?
 

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I am one of the biggest Spiderman fans of all time but I realise that movies will not be perfect but this film was head and shoulders better then Sam Raimi's version.

And I thought it was better then Dark Knight Rises in this year's battle Marvel wins this one.
 

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I am one of the biggest Spiderman fans of all time but I realise that movies will not be perfect but this film was head and shoulders better then Sam Raimi's version.

And I thought it was better then Dark Knight Rises in this year's battle Marvel wins this one.


I agree I was very disappointed by TDKR
 

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Finally got to see this movie, but I have to watch it again due to distractions.

There were alot of parts to this movie I actually enjoyed as a comic book fan. Peter made his web shooters, he is actually covering up his fear with his corny quips, and above all else, he actually understood taking responsability.

The lack of the wrestling match was offsetting, but atleast he did wind up in the middle of a ring. Connors seemed a little too secerative, where he is actually supposed to have Peter as his intern. I am assuming "The Man In The Shadows" is either Norman Osbourne(which wouldnt make a whole shit load of sense), or Miles Warren(which would fit into the whole genetical engeneering story with Richard, Kurt, & Mary).

With all that being said, the only real issue I had was that Captain Stacy should have known Peter was Spider-Man before unmasking him. One of the highlights to his death in the comics was finding out that he always knew, and that was why Spider-Man could be one step ahead of the police.

I cant say this was better than the first 2 Raimi movies, the start of the movie dragged on a bit too much for me, but almost as soon as I got bored with it the story ramped up and the action was worth the wait. But I also cant say this movie is any worse than those 2 movies either. I enjoyed it after thinking I would hate it.
 

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Casting for The Amazing Spider-Man sequel has been pretty stellar so far. Shailene Woodley was added as Mary Jane Watson, followed by Jamie Foxx as Electro and Dane DeHaan as Harry Osborn. Now, in an unexpected announcement, Martin Sheen has confirmed that he will return as Peter Parker's Uncle Ben.

The actor was on RTÉ's The Late Late Show and when asked about his next appearance on the big screen, he said: "Well they called me back, I don't know what the part's going to be but I'm going to be Uncle Ben once again in Spider-Man next year. We shoot in February."

Sheen will join his Amazing Spider-Man co-stars Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone in the May 2, 2014 release.

Obviously in a flashback, good choice though bringing back the biggest name.