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Hardware
The Xbox One and PlayStation 4 house very similar silicon inside their respective bodies, with a few key differences.
According to an exhaustive analysis by Digital Foundry, the biggest difference between the two system's hardware is the type of RAM each uses. The PlayStation 4 uses 8GB GDDR5 RAM, while all signs point to the Xbox One using 8GB of DDR3 RAM. The GDDR5 RAM used in the PlayStation 4 is the same type of RAM used by most PC video cards and is optimized for graphical throughput.

Richard Leadbetter at Digital Foundry speculates that the PS4's GPU may have as much as 50 percent more raw graphical computational power than the one in the Xbox One. That, coupled with its faster graphics memory, may translate into prettier games on the PS4.
However, we can't say for sure just yet. We've not played any actual games on either system, so until E3 in a few weeks, all we can do is speculate on whether the next Halo game will look as good as the next version of Killzone.

Xbox One PlayStation 4
Price TBA TBA
Availability 2013 Holiday 2013
Blu-ray Yes Yes
Hard drive Built-in (500GB) Built-in ("very large")
Motion control New Kinect (bundled) Move controller
CPU 8-core x86 AMD 8-core x86 AMD
RAM 8GB 8GB GDDR5
USB 3.0 Yes Yes
Wireless Yes (802.11n w/Wi-Fi Direct) Yes (802.11n)
Gigabit Ethernet Yes Yes
HDMI Yes (in and out) Yes
Suspend/resume game support Yes Yes
Background downloading Yes Yes
Native gameplay sharing (video) Yes Yes

Exclusives
As I'm certain many hard-core gamers will attest, not much was said about games during the hardware-centric Xbox One event. By contrast, Sony's February launch event for the PlayStation 4 was somewhat more software focused.

To state the obvious: each company's lineup of first-party (self-published) games will be exclusive to its own console. So, as usual, any new Halo, Gears of War, or Fable titles will remain Xbox only, while future Uncharted, Killzone, or Ratchet and Clank games will only appear on PlayStation.
To that end, Microsoft announced that we'd see at least 15 first-party games on the Xbox One within its first year, 8 of which will be new franchises (a quick demo of Forza 5 was shown to whet the appetite). The company also pledged that all DLC (add-on downloadable content) for Activision's Call of Duty: Ghosts would debut first on the Xbox One.

EA also showed up to show off its new sports games engine, Ignite, with demos of its popular sports games in tow, but I fully expect those same games to appear on Sony's console.

Of course, Sony has the aforementioned Killzone franchise, and at its event in February of this year, the company showed off other PS4-only first-party titles like Infamous: Second Son and Knack. Sony touted Diablo III making its way to the PS3 and PS4, which would mark the first time that dungeon slash franchise made its way from the PC/Mac gaming realm to home consoles -- but it was unclear if it would be an exclusive or not.
Most other third-party PlayStation 4 games shown so far will also be coming to the Xbox One.

Right now it's a bit early to get an accurate picture of what the exclusive games Stratego map looks like. Again, E3 should give us a better idea of which pieces are where on the board.


Controllers

The handheld controllers of the PS4 and the Xbox One are evolutionary descendants of the versions found on each respective platform.
The Sony DualShock 4 differentiates itself with a clickable touch pad on the front -- giving developers an additional option when designing games, although we've yet to see it in actual application.

The DualShock 4's body includes a "light bar" in the front that enables motion control functionality with the PS4's Eye camera to track the position and identify where the controller is and, if need be, actually adjust the split-screen orientation during multiplayer couch gaming. The Xbox One will accomplish this with assistance from Kinect, as it automatically tracks who's holding which controller. The DualShock 4 also includes the social-focused Share button, a built-in speaker, and a headphone jack.

The Xbox One uses Wi-Fi Direct to connect its controller, while the PlayStation 4 relies on Bluetooth 2.1+EDR. On paper, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR's theoretical 3Mbps maximum speed is clearly outclassed by Wi-Fi Direct's 250Mbps theoretical throughput. However, whether this will result in any tangible difference remains to be seen. In the Xbox One's case, the extra bandwidth could end up being important if Microsoft chooses to release add-ons, like a microphone for voice chat, and an updated version of its keyboard pad. It will be interesting to see which wireless standard delivers more efficient battery life.
While we have yet to touch the DualShock 4, CNET's Josh Lowensohn got some very brief hands-on time with the Xbox One game pad.

Motion and voice control
Every Xbox One unit will come bundled with a second-generation Kinect. While the PS4 will be compatible with Sony's Move controller and new stereo camera, it has yet to announce any plans to bundle them with the system.

The new version of Kinect will offer a wider field of view, better tracking of individuals (limited finger tracking is now included), and the ability to track more overall bodies. And (frighteningly!) also determine your current heart rate.


The first Kinect never really made a strong impression with hard-core gamers, and it's too early to tell just how developers will make use of the second generation's upgraded features, but since every Xbox One owner will have one, its functionality advantages will be much more integrated into your overall Xbox experience.

The device will always be on and simply stating, "Xbox on," will power up your entire system and sign you into your account based on facial recognition. Not to be outdone, Sony says its camera will have similar facial recognition functionality.

More than any other next-generation feature, it's the ability to navigate your entire interface simply with the sound of your voice that feels the most futuristic to me. And by "futuristic" I mean, this is the kind of stuff I envisioned we'd see by this time when I was a kid. Interfaces that bring us one step closer to a holodeck.

Right now it's too early to tell which motion/camera solution will be best, but Kinect may at least be the most ubiquitous. That may inspire more developers to utilize more of its enticing offerings in games.


Nongaming entertainment

Microsoft's event on Tuesday was clearly focused on communicating that the Xbox One would be much more than simply a box to play video games on, and began its presentation demoing how the system would integrate with your television.

The Xbox One will allow you to switch from game to TV show, to the Web, to a movie, to Skype, easily and smoothly (without switching inputs), with just the sound of your voice. You'll also have the ability to multitask, running games and other apps simultaneously.

The Xbox One will not replace your cable box, but will instead allow you to plug your cable box into it, bypassing your cable company's interface, giving you control of live TV through your Xbox One. You'll even be able to create your own personalized "channel" with the shows and services you choose.

Football fans will see deeper integration with NFL on the Xbox One; however, details on how exactly this will work are few. Look for Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, and other streaming services to make a return from the 360; whether they remain behind Xbox Gold's pay wall has yet to be addressed by Microsoft.
The PS4 will not want for services like streaming video, but live TV integration is not currently on the table. I'd love to write more about Sony's nongaming entertainment plans, but frankly, the company has so far been fairly quiet in this regard.


Community and social

During the PS4 reveal back in February, Sony was clearly putting out different messages compared with what had come before. While PSN has seen vast improvements (especially if you're a Plus member) in its offerings as of late, you'd be hard-pressed to compare it favorably with the Xbox Live community experience.

For PS4, Sony is targeting deep integration into its service. It wants you connected all the time. Things like live video chat and Facebook will be natively integrated. When your friends purchase a new game, you'll know, and you'll be able to play new games before they've even finished downloading.
However, the biggest change is the addition of the Share button on the PS4's controller.

Through this button, gamers can broadcast live gameplay, take screenshots, or share videos of their latest gaming triumphs. Your friends will post comments to your screen while they watch you play. If a player is stuck in a particularly difficult section of a game, he can call in an online friend to literally take over his controls. Frustration successfully circumvented, despite a possible bruised ego on the sharer's part.

That's a feature I'll probably never use (see aforementioned tender ego), but I can easily recognize how incredibly cool and useful this could be for many players out there.

With Remote Play you can stream your PS4 game onto a PlayStation Vita. I'm unsure if this will be available for every game, but it does make the PS Vita much more enticing. To me, at least.

Though Microsoft hasn't gone into as much detail for these types of features on the Xbox One, it's certainly not resting on its social laurels. Xbox One users will be able to access the last few minutes of gameplay, edit it into a video, and share via social networks and Xbox Live.

Microsoft has also increased its Xbox Live friends list limit from 100 to 1,000, and achievements are getting a big overhaul. It writes on its Xbox One site that the new achievement system will have "richer detail and span across your games and experiences."

Other Xbox One social features include built-in Skype, the ability to track Xbox Live trends, and see what your friends are playing or watching most. With Smart Match you can look for multiplayer games while spending your time in other apps. SmartGlass will also be more tightly integrated into the Xbox One.

Admittedly, this all sounds very cool in concept, but is a little difficult to discuss without more details. I just hope that both Microsoft and Sony allow users to easily opt out of sharing so much info if they're not into the whole social-network thing.


How much?

By this point (if you've gotten this far) I'm sure you're thinking: "Wow, he really doesn't know much about these systems and this mostly feels like speculation." And you'd be mostly right. There is a venerable lack of concrete info, but hopefully by E3...well, you know how the rest of that sentence goes.

Pricing is just another one of those details we have zero concrete information on. Some rumors point to a $499 price for the Xbox One base system, with a subsidized $299 price if you sign up for Xbox Live. That honestly feels a bit too expensive to me. Console manufacturers have traditionally sold their hardware at a loss, making it up on software, but with the advent of microtransactions, maybe that model is due for a change. Still, I'm predicting a lower initial price for both it and the PS4, but maybe that's just wishful thinking.

There are still plenty of unanswered pricing questions for each system's respective services. Will we see a new Xbox Live pricing structure? How much will Sony charge for PSN memberships? How much will new games cost? Will digital versions be discounted? Will Microsoft ditch its points currency system? Just how often will each console have to connect to the Internet? Ah, questions! Questions that need answering!

As for backward compatibility, Microsoft says no, Sony says not immediately, but probably in the future.

There's also the issue of how this coming generation will deal with used games. Game publishers have been very vocal about the used games market cutting into their bottom lines. Sony has yet to detail how it will handle used games on the PS4, but Microsoft was pointedly asked to address this issue.
Though not ready to fully reveal its used games strategy, group program manager for Xbox Incubation, Jeff Henshaw, says, "Xbox One will support the reselling and used game market for Xbox One games. We have not announced details about exactly how it's going to work, or how licenses are going to be exchanged."

Henshaw went on to say, "What we have announced is that a used game ecosystem will be supported, so people can breathe easy. They will be able to get used games." Interesting, but without actual details, maybe not wholly satisfying for many gamers who only buy games used. We expect to know more later this year.

Great article comparing what we know so far about the two systems.
 

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Since the 360 and Ps3 came out, i've really fallen out of the console gaming scene and just reading stuff that's like in the OP really doesn't make me miss it at all. I got a PS3 for Xmas 2011 mainly ready for UFC Undisputed 3 and since completing that I haven't touched it really and the only reason i've kept is for when the new GTA comes out.

I just how complicated and stacked with all these extra stuff systems are today. Like seriously, I don't give a fuck if I can watch Netflix on it because i've never used it and never will, or that I can watch live TV or whatever through them. That I can use the Kinect for all this handsfree bullshit and what not. Just give me a gaming system that lets me game and that's it. If I want a BluRay player i'll go buy one, if I wanna watch NetFlix i'll watch it on the computer via a TV etc.

Seriously, I miss the PS2 days where you plugged your console in, bought your games and just played the damn thing without having to worry about this 'Always Online' stuff or not being able to buy pre-owned games without paying extra so that it works with my system. Bleh, i'll stick to my trusty old PC thankyou.
 

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If mircosoft was smart, they'd let the publishers name their price for used games. takes the heat off of them. For those complaining about the lack of games, Microsoft actually said over and over again that the reveal was for their hardware and not games. They clearly said they were showing off the capabilities of the new console. E3 would be where they showed the games. But I guess people didnt watch the reveal because it was boring as hell. Did anybody actually watch it? I saw some of it but tuned out when they brought EA up. Anyone want to talk about the actual capabilities of the Xbox One? There's no way their system works as fast as shown right? My cable box has lag when I change the channels and they way they changed between games and other things seems impossible. If its really that fast, it's going to be awesome. Hopefully they fixed the Kinect. I know you have to have almost perfect lighting for the thing to work. Also you need a ton of room.
 

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Seriously, I miss the PS2 days where you plugged your console in, bought your games and just played the damn thing without having to worry about this 'Always Online' stuff or not being able to buy pre-owned games without paying extra so that it works with my system. Bleh, i'll stick to my trusty old PC thankyou.

I may be inclined to join you with that, should the PS4 prove no better to a decent extent. Though PC isn't completely free of crappy concepts - EA with their always online Sim City game. Though it's just as much punishment having an Origin account in the first place. I've had issues in regards to Mass Effect issues as well as simply changing which Email Address is associated with that Origin account. Nothing but long winded unnecessary trouble with terrible customer support far worse than anything Microsoft has ever given me to date.

Steam always sounds awesome though.

And the PS4 reveal showed what?

The half the people bashing xbox aren't even being able to cite real facts. I'm all for debating the better system but when only one system as actually given any real details it's just not possible.

What do you mean "aren't even able to cite real facts?" Like you just said, the PS4 reveal didn't exactly show too much, but there were quite a few stated facts in the Xbox reveal. And "half" sounds like a gross exaggeration and is a better example in itself of not citing a real fact :p. You've got many gaming sites themselves showing their disapproval and they have a better idea than most of us. One way or another people have heard and seen a lot of what Microsoft have had to say and show and they're unhappy. People have been unhappy since before the reveal when rumours spread like wildfire over many of these "negatives", and Microsoft has only gone and nonchalantly confirmed many of them. It's not hard to "bash" the system or their actions right now for reasons stated in my previous post.

And why even bring up the PS4? That's irrelevant over what i'm saying. I'm looking at the Xbox One and ITS presentation! Even if we look at a lot of people that are critical of the Xbox One and immediately proclaiming the PS4 as their saviour; the one main thing there is that either way they're legitimately unimpressed with the Xbox One. People are all reacting differently over this and i'm not going to say that I agree or disagree with how far people are going. It's a separate issue. The fact is Microsoft gave the presentation they did, and to a lot of people it sucked. And besides, it's one thing to have a vague or rather unimpressive presentation - it's another to have an outright negative one for many people.

For the record, right now I couldn't give a damn about the PS4. As they say, "no news is good news" though and it's at least getting the benefit of the doubt from a lot of people. Sony have taken their time and rebutted a lot of what Microsoft has had to say or show (from what I can tell anyway). While they haven't shown anything, at the same time they have been pretty clever with things by keeping a relatively low profile and letting Microsoft cop a lot of crap. There's a chance it could suck just as much if not more. But at the same time, it could be better too. We don't know, so it's pretty irrelevant at this stage. It seems Sony are watching intently though so they may go ahead and take advantage of this. We'll see.
 
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What some people are forgetting is that when unveiling a new product, you're meant to make a positive impression with it.

That's why I said and the PS4 revealed what? It was taking what you said and applying it to everyone because most of the people are arguing that the PS4 will be better or this is why the Xbox One is worse. That's just not a possible argument as we don't know anything about the other system yet.

The other statement I made was aimed at everyone. People aren't even reading the articles being posted hell. We had someone claim that the PS3 had netflix before Xbox. People are going off ranting about the always online feature when the articles state that those aren't the facts.

You bring up the fact that a lot of people dislike the Xbox reveal, that's fine and dandy but the PS4 reveal was far worse. I don't think anyone should be extremely for or against either system yet as we don't know enough about either system yet. Yet we have multiple people claiming things that Xbox and PS4 haven't even talked about yet.
 

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That's why I said and the PS4 revealed what? It was taking what you said and applying it to everyone because most of the people are arguing that the PS4 will be better or this is why the Xbox One is worse. That's just not a possible argument as we don't know anything about the other system yet.

The other statement I made was aimed at everyone. People aren't even reading the articles being posted hell. We had someone claim that the PS3 had netflix before Xbox. People are going off ranting about the always online feature when the articles state that those aren't the facts.

You bring up the fact that a lot of people dislike the Xbox reveal, that's fine and dandy but the PS4 reveal was far worse. I don't think anyone should be extremely for or against either system yet as we don't know enough about either system yet. Yet we have multiple people claiming things that Xbox and PS4 haven't even talked about yet.

Ok, I think I understand what you're getting it now. But personally I don't entirely agree with your last paragraph (granted you're entitled to an opinion).

Either way it still goes back to what I was saying before. There are still many facts that are known at this point and they're unappealing. Even if people are going off and then working themselves up further over other aspects though, at the core, there's still a decent amount that we have been told and its not nice.

For myself, those reasons are more than enough reason to hold the console in contempt. Like I said earlier, it won't matter what they announce unless it somehow clears up or addresses those issues. If the PS4 ends up having confirmed issues on its end, then i'd be on that too btw. But right now I seriously don't want to invest in a console that imposes a lot of that on me. That's more than enough reason right now to "extremely' dislike it. That CAN possibly change depending how they address it, but as is that is unacceptible to me.
 
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Actually quite a few games were shown, the EA set, Forza, Quantum Break, so hey pure bs right there.

Gameplay? No gameplay was shown. Who gives a shit about trailers? Some of the worst games have had the best trailers.
 

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EA just announced they are developing for the Wii U now. Funny that this came after Microsoft was getting a lot of negative feedback from consumers, and they probably want to ensure that Madden, NHL, Fifa etc. sell to the masses still living with SDTV's, dial-up internet connections, and physical music devices.
 

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Everyone's jumping on that Wii U bandwagon like crazy now.
 

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The big thing is, the Wii U is the one console "next" gen that we know everything about. Nintendo has been around long enough to know that rentals & re-sales actually increase their target audience, that your console should be first & foremost a gaming device, and everyone knows the exclusives, Mario, Legend of Zelda, Smash Bros. & Pokémon are going to be huge sellers, Metroid, Mario Party & Mario Kart will be good sellers, and Animal Crossing, Pikmin, & Nintendogs will sell more copies than they probably should.
 

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Gameplay? No gameplay was shown. Who gives a shit about trailers? Some of the worst games have had the best trailers.

Forza was all gameplay, and Call of duty was live gameplay but now you a specifying Gameplay, that's not what your first post stated. Be specific
 

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I understand some of the things coming out about it are negative to a lot of people, but I'm more of a "wait and see" kinda guy on that. We're getting half-verified "facts" that Microsoft has yet to truly expand upon. The paying a fee to use a friend's game sucks. I dislike it, but I personally have probably borrowed about 5 games in this generation, so it doesn't really affect me too much lol.

Just to be clear, this post is about people complaining that the press conference was about the hardware(what they were actually announcing) and not the games. We clear? Gooooood.

The fact that there was any "In Game" footage at all is a good thing. It's not E3. It's not a a presser to unveil a new IP from EA or Activision, although we did STILL get a new IP announced from Remedy in Quantum Break.

Let's Equate this to phones. If the iPhone 6 (That'd be the next one right?) Had a presser, they said "IT MAKES HIGH FIDELITY CALLS. NO DROPS. HERE'S SOME FOOTAGE FROM SOME GAMES FROM THE STORE, " EVERYONE would have a big fucking nerdboner over Apple fucking it up by showing games and not talking about what the phone DOES.

I don't ask if a cheeseburger has cheese on it. I don't ask if a new car will actually go into drive and operate. I don't ask if a bed will allow me to lay on it and sleep.

Seriously. It's a phone. It makes phone calls. It's a video game console. It plays video games.

Some of the shit that's been half-verified and the other all-out rumors are a mixed bag for me. Most of them don't personally affect me, but could make others that I'm friends with reconsider which console to go with, therefore transitively limiting my enjoyment of whichever new system I go with first. I get it. People are upset. While I think people STILL need to mellow out and wait for E3 and see what actual REAL confirmation and explanations we get from Microsoft at that point, I think it's kinda bullshit for people to say the announcement event was lousy because it was actually focused on what they were actually announcing.
 
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Online Retailers List Xbox One and PS4 Pre-Orders - IGN

^Rumored Xbox One and PlayStation 4 prices.

Amazon UK is listing the Xbox one at 599 pounds, approximately 912$, and Amazon Germany lists it at about 780$.

Zavvi lists both consoles at around 600$.

What. the. fuck.

I know it's just a rumor but still.

WHAT. THE. FUCK.