Who should just retire?

[Mat Awesome]

Reading comprehension and context clues don't apply to you do they?

 

[21403]

Reading comprehension and context clues don't apply to you do they?

Do you not understand my post? Don't try then.

 

[...god...]

No what I pointed out was that I wasn't doubting he can still wrestle at his best, but that he no longer can do it at such a consistent rate as he could in the past. You seirously think he displays more athleticism now than say 5 years ago? Look at how he moves in the past. He's the one pushing the pace but now he lets the other guy do the dirty work.

No caps lock does not equal. But calling a person names just for expressing his opinion is rather immature, especially when you're on a forum to DISCUSS wrestling. Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean the other person has the wrong opinion.

And this is to all who argue that he does it because he loves it. Yes, so does all aging sportsmen. Their love for the game may never die out, but their ability to continue to excel at the highest level will dissipate. Undertaker should leave now before damaging his legacy.

Sigh, you keep backpeddaling your argument. Now you've went to "oh he can only do it because he takes breaks". Too bad his schedule has been generally the same for the past 6 years. He ALWAYS randomly left and came back. And yes, he is better now than he ever was, and no, he still keeps up the pace perfectly fine like he always did. Clearly you didn't watch his recent match with Rey.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

And guys like Cody Rhodes, Primo, Yoshi Tatsu, JTG, Chris Masters, guys who actually have talent aren't Superstars mainstays. My bad.

None of those guys have a fraction of the talent that Taker has. All of them combined don't sell a fraction of the tickets Taker does. All of them combined don't get a fraction of the pop Taker gets. And beyond Cody Rhodes, each of those guys will probably be released by this time next year. Wanna know why? Because they suck.

 

[Kizza]

None of those guys have a fraction of the talent that Taker has. All of them combined don't sell a fraction of the tickets Taker does. All of them combined don't get a fraction of the pop Taker gets. And beyond Cody Rhodes, each of those guys will probably be released by this time next year. Wanna know why? Because they suck.

God I love you.

 

[Mike Chaos]

I like how everyone bashes me yet they couldn't keep an open mind about my point. Try to respect one's opinion kay? Oh you can't so you call me a blueberry. Go back to middle school because apparently these are some of the people Iam talking to.

So you want everyone to agree with your flawed logic? No thank you. People are here to debate other wrestling fans with opinions based upon factual information. Secondly why should we just change our opinions and be "open minded" to suit you?

The Undertaker has done nothing lately but put HIMSELF OVER. He put himself over the younger World Champ Jack Swagger. Swagger could of benefited from going over Taker. He's put himself over Mysterio to go on to the Fatal 4 way for the title.

Not sure if you know this. But. The outcome of the matches are predetermined. Only marks think it matters if someone wins or loses. Taker didn't just go to the show and make the decision that he is winning. Jack Swagger did not deserve to win that match he had with Undertaker. It was a random one off match because the RAW roster was not able to compete. Down the road though if Taker and Swagger were to have a real feud with a storyline and a build, and if Swagger improves then he would deserve to win that feud against Taker. Swagger did not need to win against Taker, it did not kill his momentum at all and people did not think badly of him. Simply because it is the fucking Undertaker.

I-T-S M-Y O-P-I-N-I-O-N. Learn how to respect it instead of acting like jackasses.

Obviously it is your opinion. But you have not shown any respect to any of us with differing opinions.

 

[Airfixx]

Takers presence is a mixed blessing.... Yeah, he may deliver on the level of the like of vs HBK, but the crushing of Punk by a limping Undertaker during summer '09 tells an undeniable tale (one where YES, his injuries DID compromise the on-screen product).

As Monty stuggested, he does have a negative impact on SD week-to-week. Said for a while now, WWE should use him as sparingly as possible; bringing him in for the road to WM so as to attain 'special feature' status.

If he loves the business THAT much then a) he should be able to acknowledge the above and b) there are other roles within the business and it's long overdue that VKM starts bringing 'wrestling guys' back in to fill them.

 

[MizMasta3000]

With a career like he has, I mean what is left to do?

Put guys over...

 

[21403]

So you want everyone to agree with your flawed logic? No thank you. People are here to debate other wrestling fans with opinions based upon factual information. Secondly why should we just change our opinions and be "open minded" to suit you?

Oh, factual information. Kind of what you said here right?

Do you ever maybe think that maybe the Undertaker is HAPPY doing what he loves to do? Or maybe the fact that the WWE needs someone of his caliber to be a top star considering there aren't very many.

Don't call me out for basically doing the same thing you are doing.

Not sure if you know this. But. The outcome of the matches are predetermined. Only marks think it matters if someone wins or loses. Taker didn't just go to the show and make the decision that he is winning. Jack Swagger did not deserve to win that match he had with Undertaker.

Don't talk to me like I'm stupid. I know the outcome of a match is predetermined. Oh, I guess I'm a mark because I actually do think it matters if someone wins or loses. Duh, if Swagger had won that match, it would increase his credibility as THE CHAMPION. I swear, people type anything just to prove me wrong. Yes wins and losses do matter. If it didn't then Goldberg would be forgettable now.

It was a random one off match because the RAW roster was not able to compete. Down the road though if Taker and Swagger were to have a real feud with a storyline and a build, and if Swagger improves then he would deserve to win that feud against Taker.

It was a random one off match, right? Tell that to the creative team who booked Undertaker for the fatal 4 way match for the strap.

Obviously it is your opinion. But you have not shown any respect to any of us with differing opinions.

This thread must be full of insults from me. Oh yes, you guys have shown me ALOT of respect for my opinion. Oh wait, this just in:

You might just be the dumbest person on this forum.

People that make comments like that make me sick.

You seriously are brain dead.

Goodness, I was going to come in this thread like two hours ago and bash the shit out of the idiocy of the Undertaker hate, but enough has been said here. McFly...pffttt...

I don't know what to contradict McFly first about, I mean, he even went as far as criticizing HBK vs Taker at one point. I don't know what else to say. Keep on going McFly, we all love you. Keep on showing to all of us why a guy would voluntarily enter day after a day a forum just to get bashed

He deserves to call it quits whenever he decides to. He's like a Bret Favre, Shaq, Tim Duncan, Mariano Rivera and Randy Johnson; no one has the right to tell them when to shut it down and everyone should just either accept it or shut the fuck up.

So by the blueberry's logic everybody 40 and above should retire?

Yes but only for his health's sake and not because some dipshit on a message board thinks he should.

You wanted me to reply, I did, and now you look Blue.

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Put guys over...

Yes, he has been doing alot of that lately.

 

[chessarmy]

I think people need to relax on the McFly bashing, threads like these are great because there are so many opinions that it makes for a fun debate. There's no need to turn something that should be an intelligent wrestling discussion into a flame war.

 

[Doomsday]

The WWE needs a wrestler like Undertaker not just because he's a massive draw but because he provides locker room leadership and guidance to the younger wrestlers. Should he retire soon? Yes but only for his health's sake and not because some dipshit on a message board thinks he should.

I heard that he's a real prick when it comes to his job.

He's not needed? Smackdown is....Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, Big Show, and a guy who has a lisp. Man I know THAT spells compelling TV. Taker is more over than all of them put together.

Nobody even knows who Jack Swagger and CM Punk are. Rey Mysterio and Big Show if they don't live under a rock. But Undertaker is no less then a C-list entertainer.

he's wheelchair bound if he keeps going.

Referring to yourself in third person now, huh?

Taker shouldn't retire until Wrestlemania where he passes the torch to a young star and ends his streak. As for the injury, its yet another on the long list of injuries WWE has been dealing with lately. This is also the second consecutive time Rey Mysterio has busted Taker open in a match, he needs to relax and not be so stiff

Undertaker's streak is unkillable. He'd retire before he took a loss on his Mania record.

Rumor is SD is looking to turn Koffi, or MVP heel. Certainly the roster isn't that great, but moving to Raw to fued with guys Taker has already fueded with is useless.

We haven't seen him fued with Sheamus. That atleast has 3 months in it. Sheamus saying some crap about how he ended Jamie Noble and Triple H's career and boasting how he can do the same with Undertaker.

The Undertaker is not needed. He's not needed in the World Title hunt. He's not needed on Smackdown. He's not needed in the WWE. He needs to retire.

If he loves what he is doing, then why would he himself talk about retiring for some time now? He knows it, I know it, and people should know that he is going to retire soon.

Because he is a pro wrestler, a job which requires you to take serious bumps, take a steel chair and other various weapons, travel away from home most of the year, etc. Not an easy job imo.


Yes, because his constant vacations tells me he is one hell of a worker.


The WWE does not need him more than ever. He needs to stay out of the title hunt because he has no business there. Look at it this way, if the Undertaker retires, another young star gets a chance on Smackdown.

Undertaker is the best WWE has. Triple H and Cena included.
Only an idiot could believe some crazy shit like that.
And the only reason I think you believe it, is because you aren't smart enough to do it just to piss people off.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

You know it also occurred to me that quite a few people feud with the Undertaker for their first major Main Event/World Title Feud. Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, and some more I'm probably missing. Plus Undertaker was one of Mankind's first major feuds in the company. So to say that Undertaker has done nothing to give back is completely asinine.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

^^^Mankind's absolute first program was with Taker. Taker alternated between working Goldust and Mankind three times each in 96. Austin's first main event scene was against Bret. His first title shot came from Taker, but that was more of a vehicle to push the Hart Foundation-Austin angle as they all came to ringside and I think they all eventually jumped him. But he absolutely put Lesnar on the map and put him over incredibly strong. And Angle. And Foley. And Kane. And gave Jeff Hardy his first major singles rub.

 

[...god...]

If Undertaker "absolutely put Lesnar on the map" then what the fuck did The Rock do?

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

^^^Drop the belt to him in a one month program that saw nothing much in the way of an actual memorable feud. After that match, Rocky disappeared for 6 months and that was that. He put him over, but Taker was Lesnar's first true blood feud and Taker did wayyyyy more to establish Lesnar than Rock did just dropping the title to him.