The 2024 United States Presidential Election Thread

[Comrade Khan]

I disagree that he earned his position of power democratically, but I do agree Hitler was immensely popular in Germany. He was pretty much the genesis of the term cult of personality. Germans really did gravitate to his message. The treaty of Versailles practically emasculated the German people and they flocked to the first person who told them it wasn’t their fault and that he’d prosecute those he deemed responsible for their suffering. Which always winds up being the Jewish people.

what you are failing to understand I think is from hitlers pov it was democratic and justified, which is exactly what the R COULD do if they also choose to consolidate power.

 

[Comrade Khan]

maybe not fail to understand, more that the technicality here makes absolutely no difference in the argument.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

i only said he was legally elected into office, which he was (just not as head of state) - he was then legally transferred power like you said. which kills this dingus's argument more. not only was elected, they then willfully gave him the keys to the entire kingdom.

his entire point was well that would not happen today. Which again is willful ignorance - the cheques and balances have already been trampled on with stacking the courts, so thats one arm down. they hold both the house , the senate and the presidency. the other cherques and balances are essentially good will and hoping people act in good faith.

I think it's fucking insane NOT to be even a bit worried. it's like how much of your head in the sand can you be.

I can certainly understand the not feeling represented argument by a vast majority of center left and center right voters. I'm one of them and I imagine the large silent majority is as well. But the Reblician playbook has been open and obvious and more importantly in your face for like two decades now...and people are still gaslighting us telling us we are overeacting. like fuck me man are they gonna have to take your friends and family away for you (not you, people in general) to wake the fuck up and see that this also is not the solution to this broken ass planet

At the end of the day, the Democratic Party has its problems but it is not outright trying to take away rights from its own citizens and threatening to deport people because of the belief that they're illegal and also have a shade lower than Asian tone.

 

[Comrade Khan]

At the end of the day, the Democratic Party has its problems but it is not outright trying to take away rights from its own citizens and threatening to deport people because of the belief that they're illegal and also have a shade lower than Asian tone.

i agree but I also understand that vote for us or else is a trerrible platform when you are not offering people what they want

if there's one thing I can agree on is that the dems have lost complete touch with the working class and bernie is right on that

 

[Comrade Khan]

like I will say one thing i've read a lot and agree with - dems going on about how great the economy is and pretending the status quo is awesome is pretty insulting to a lot of people. I never really considered that until reading it from other people but it's a pretty fair point.

The things the dems campaigned for are important but you also kind of do need to tell people you are going to help them. telling them everything is great and the economy is great and then saying more taxes is not gonna be great

and yes I understand that trumps plan is shit but he is selling shit to his base. what the fuck exactly are the dems selling?

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

i agree but I also understand that vote for us or else is a trerrible platform when you are not offering people what they want

if there's one thing I can agree on is that the dems have lost complete touch with the working class and bernie is right on that

It's honestly why I wish the Electoral College wasn't a majority system but a plurality system so the United States could allow itself to have multiple political parties. It would at least allow for there to be several parties (for better or worse), the Libertarian, MAGA, and Republican parties can be their own thing while the Democratic, Green, and Socialist parties can also be something feasible.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

Which is primarily the huge difference between real life and my alternate timeline USA I'm working on

 

[Smart Marx]

what you are failing to understand I think is from hitlers pov it was democratic and justified, which is exactly what the R COULD do if they also choose to consolidate power.

The bad guys never typically think they are the bad guys. I guess is a very true thing, but what I’m trying to say is he wasn’t elected as a chancellor either. After failing his election, the president just simply appointed him chancellor in the same way that say Donald Trump appoints his new head of the Department of Education, or what have you. The people never technically elected Hitler to do anything in government and then from there he did some very shady things like political assassinations the Long night of knives getting emergency powers when the president was sick, using that to consolidate the two positions of power etc.

As per Trump, is it possible he could do that. Absolutely. Do I think it’s likely? I do not. However, I would say that Trump was at least elected president, but anything he does beyond that I wouldn’t consider democratic and I would hope we have enough checks and balances that we can prevent, any kind of shenanigans like that. I think the big difference though is Hitler was able to get enough people in virtually every position in German society on his side so when he became a dictator, it didn’t matter nobody was against him. I don’t for-see that being the case with Trump there’s enough people that push back on him, even from his own side in his first term, and if he tried to become Hitler, I think there’s gonna be enough people that are gonna be like I don’t think so.

Just to be clear, though, I agree with you that being elected doesn’t absolve Trump of the possibility of becoming a fascist nor Hitler, not being elected, or being elected, change, the fact that he was universally respected by his people, and they followed him to the ends of the Earth. The legality of how you come in to power doesn’t change what you’re gonna do with it.

 

[Comrade Khan]

It's honestly why I wish the Electoral College wasn't a majority system but a plurality system so the United States could allow itself to have multiple political parties. It would at least allow for there to be several parties (for better or worse), the Libertarian, MAGA, and Republican parties can be their own thing while the Democratic, Green, and Socialist parties can also be something feasible.

either young people form a new party or you kick out all the establisment dems and start over like the Rs did after that loss in the 70s or 80s. wtv the lore is

 

[Smart Marx]

maybe not fail to understand, more that the technicality here makes absolutely no difference in the argument.

This we agree on. Like I was said, in the beginning, I wasn’t correcting the election misconception because I sided with the other side of the argument whatsoever.

 

[Comrade Khan]

This we agree on. Like I was said, in the beginning, I wasn’t correcting the election misconception because I sided with the other side of the argument whatsoever.

yeah I mispoke a bit on my first post, we are still on the same page.

 

[Comrade Khan]

like I said earlier last week tho. at this point, it's up to us to change shit. boomers aint gonna do it for us

 

[Chris]

i agree but I also understand that vote for us or else is a trerrible platform when you are not offering people what they want

if there's one thing I can agree on is that the dems have lost complete touch with the working class and bernie is right on that

Also, as much as I mostly agree with the sentiment, it's so counterproductive how much shaming 3rd party voters get. You should be convincing them why they should vote for your aide bc the reasons are good not bc "if you don't ita a vote for Trump!"

Just comes off so patronizing and I can't imagine one single voter has ever been swayed by it

 

[Comrade Khan]

and quite frankly I feel like a return to a moderate left and right is what people actually truly want, they are just easily triggered to emotion by issues. both platforms offer a lot of outrage

 

[Comrade Khan]

Also, as much as I mostly agree with the sentiment, it's so counterproductive how much shaming 3rd party voters get. You should be convincing them why they should vote for your aide bc the reasons are good not bc "if you don't ita a vote for Trump!"

Just comes off so patronizing and I can't imagine one single voter has ever been swayed by it

yeah also now that i am much calmer and have thought about stuff, i don't feel like calling people who don't vote with you idiots is productive either. it's a frustrating timeline. but more division is just going to make us weaker