SmackDown Live Sin Cara OVER?

[John McHenry]

The original Sin Cara recently spoke with the Mexican Lucha Libre show about what WWE plans to do with his character now that he is no longer portraying him for the company.

Sin Cara spoiled the WWE Main Event taping where Alberto Del Rio unmasks Hunico. He said that everyone knew that it wasn’t the real Sin Cara because of all the tattoos. He also mentioned that it would be the last time anyone in the WWE would see the character because he owns the rights to the Sin Cara name, gimmick and mask.

“I am the owner of the persona of Sin Cara. I say it openly because it’s all on my side, in my favor. I think that it’s best left to lawyers because I am the owner of the persona I am the owner of the [character's] image and I have proof.”

The hosts of the show mentioned that it is very uncommon for WWE wrestlers to own the rights to the named used on television. Sin Cara interjects and replies with the following:

“That depends on how the wrestler work their deals. I’m not here to talk bad about anyone. I’ve always been a person that goes the route of peace. I’m not going to fight with anyone or any company. I’m not saying that because I’m scared to fight a big company. No, Why would I? Everyone knows that the original Mistico went on to be [the original] Sin Cara in the WWE. So that we would not have any legal issues with CMLL, I automatically changed my name and my persona and continued on with my registered persona.”

I don't buy it. Why would WWE ever agree to this? They know the mask market they knew what they'd likely make seems like he's convinced himself otherwise. And "MOST" people don't know who Mistico is.

 

[Chris]

No way in hell he's the owner of the character. Don't think it matters much anyway since it was unmasked.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Never heard of Mistico until he was signed to WWE so I don't see why he would own the name.

 

[John McHenry]

No way in hell he's the owner of the character. Don't think it matters much anyway since it was unmasked.

Dunno I agree there Rey's been unmasked, Kanes been unmasked no big deal.

Though they were probably both better established and favored more than Cara.

Also I don't consider an unmasking on Main Event as a big deal. He unmasked Hunico at the house show I was at last week and at the smackdown I went to last (either edited out or right angle)

 

[SAIYANS]

Rey has never been unmasked in a WWE bubble. They never admit it but then again outside a dvd anthology, he's always referred to as a WWE guy and had his wwe titles talked up.

I don't really but what he's selling. He stole the Mystico name from Hunico originally. He reportedly pulled a gun on Del Rio back in Mexico before. He refused to go to fcw. He refused to learn English which is why after the Chavo matches he was shit. He botched a lot. He also stopped a match because he jammed a finger.

Trips should slap himself after his first two major negotiated signings were him and Kong. They stole money and were the biggest wasted contracts and promo videos ever. Good to see Hunter has improved ever since, but boy he fucked up early.

Hunico can keep the gimmick or become a team with Camacho again, but theres no doubt he was better

 

[John McHenry]

Rey has never been unmasked in a WWE bubble. They never admit it but then again outside a dvd anthology, he's always referred to as a WWE guy and had his wwe titles talked up.

I don't really but what he's selling. He stole the Mystico name from Hunico originally. He reportedly pulled a gun on Del Rio back in Mexico before. He refused to go to fcw. He refused to learn English which is why after the Chavo matches he was shit. He botched a lot. He also stopped a match because he jammed a finger.

Trips should slap himself after his first two major negotiated signings were him and Kong. They stole money and were the biggest wasted contracts and promo videos ever. Good to see Hunter has improved ever since, but boy he fucked up early.

Hunico can keep the gimmick or become a team with Camacho again, but theres no doubt he was better

Say what? I didn't say intentional or unintentional

But demaskings just dont matter as they tend not to change sales.

 

[punk13]

Never cared for the guy but liked that one top rope move he did when he 1st debuted.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Didn't WWE trademark "Sin Cara" like a month before it was announced they were in negotiations with Mistico???

 

[CaptainxBumout]

Yeah pretty sure WWE trademarks every name they can nowadays.

Not sure if they should just cut their losses with the Sin Cara character or give Hunico a different masked character but I'm not sure how that would work out. If Hunico stays Sin Cara, I want Camacho to take the role of Rey Mysterio and have the announcers try and do the same shit they did with Sin Cara. "Mysterio has gained a lot of muscle!" "Mysterio is looking better than ever!".

 

[Tapout]

I highly doubt he owns that character. Just sounds like a bitter guy who thought he was gonna be the next Rey Mysterio when he never put in the effort that Rey did.

 

[John McHenry]

Sin Cara was asked by the Tercea Caida show if not speaking English hurt him during his time in WWE:

“I don’t speak it. The truth is, I don’t like that language, I can speak Japanese to you all you want. Before I wrestled as Mistico, I wrestled in Japan for two years and I love that language and I keep studying it. I never studied English, I don’t like the English language. You shouldn’t need to communicate in the ring, the wrestling should do all the talking. The fans need to feel like everything isn’t planned ahead. Not knowing English didn’t scare me.

I wasn’t scared when Darren Young and his partner Titus O’Neil told me I didn’t know any English. During a match I slapped him and said, “I don’t need to know English, I am a wrestler not a clown! I may be an acrobat, but this is my job.” Rey was in my corner and he thought I kicked him, but when he saw me slap him more times he told me, “you wanted to destroy him didn’t you?”

He also discussed meeting The Rock while working out at a gym:

“Rey Mysterio and The Rock are the most noble people in the WWE… One day I was at a gym working out near an arena and The Rock came up to me and gave me a hug. I was surprised. He’s always with his hood on and with his earphones. He has told me he likes my work. That’s a moment I will never forget, I never expected something like that, especially from someone as huge as The Rock.”

I agree it doesn't necessarily need to be planned out so much but come on.

Don't be a dumbass if I move to Japan I'm not going to be like fuck Japanese I'm going to sit in my cubicle (cause I assume cubicle work is the best id do) and use my computer to translate all emails from my boss.

He's starting to develop an Angle sense of dumbassery.

 

[Chris]

His philosophy on the English language is like when Crysenberg calls some movie he's never seen shitty and criticizes it all the time.

 

[Cena's Jeans Shorts]

It's not completely far-fetched. And as much as the WWE prefers to give wrestlers a new character and new name, they also have a history of using pre-existing names and characters owned by someone else if the guy is over enough or they feel they can work with that. Seems a lot more rare these days though.

The costume and mask designs of Sin Cara seem very similar to that of Mistico. While there are some design changes for the WWE's Sin Cara, I think it's done o keep the character very recognizable to the pre-existing Mistico fans, who are a huge reason the dude was signed in the first place.

I could see some parallels between the Sin Cara and Ultimate Warrior characters, though there are some important differences too. Warrior came into the WWF looking largely the same as his character from the WCCW days. One huge difference is he kept the Dingo Warrior name when he started in the WWE, then changed to Ultimate Warrior.

I think the important thing is that these are pre-existing characters and looks that the WWE wanted and used. Repackages of sorts were done, names were changed, but they were very recognizable to those who knew the characters before their WWE days. Warrior did win his court case when he legally insisted that he owns the character, not the WWE.

WWE might be able to keep the Sin Cara name itself. They have rights to use footage, pictures, etc of the character as used in the WWE for DVDs, promotions etc, as with any character that moves on.

What I doubt the WWE can do is tell Mistico that he can't go back to his old character because it's too similar to the WWE's Sin Cara. I'm sure they could try, but if it went to court, I seriously doubt they'd be able to do anything but outspend the guy.

The WWE trademarking something doesn't necessarily mean complete ownership to me. It's quite usual for them to trademark wrestler names and concepts they don't necessarily own. I think they had Rob Van Dam and all his gimmicks trademarked at one point, but that's to protect their own exclusive rights to use of those for the duration of his contract. It didn't mean he had to be some other dude when he decided to work at TNA.

 

[John McHenry]

I don't think him going back to mistico is in question, it's his assumptions that he keeps sin cara

 

[Chris]

If WWE never planned on owning the Sin Cara name and wanted to keep him popular in Mexico then why wouldn't they just keep him as Mistico?