Roman Reigns being rejected

[The GOAT]

I don't think they were completely wrong to book Reigns to win the Rumble (even though the story of Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar made much more sense and would have been so much better.) In Reigns' defense, he was one of the most over guys heading into the Royal Rumble, he legitimately won Superstar Of The Year according to some sources, and Bryan's reactions on the last few Raw's before the Rumble didn't really suggest to me with any degree of certainty that Reigns would get shit all over if he won.

I think the issue wasn't so much that Bryan lost, but HOW he lost. WWE made people believe that Bryan had probably the best chance out of anyone to win the match, and yet he ends up being dumped out in one of the most unceremonious ways possible. Almost as if WWE were saying, "Hahaha, fuck you" to everyone who were pulling for Bryan. I actually wonder, if Bryan hadn't been eliminated so swiftly and casually, if the backlash against Reigns would have been quite as intense. WWE threw up the figurative middle finger, and in response the Philly crowd delivered their own return-fire by shitting over the biggest moment of Reigns' career.

All that said, if the lukewarm reaction towards Reigns continue and they end up having to turn him heel just to salvage this whole thing, then so be it. Looking at his former character in NXT as well as the way he's been conducting himself in real-life interviews lately, something tells me that he was maybe born to be a heel anyway:

 

[edge4ever]

Lately there has been tons of unjustified hate directed toward Reigns. Hell, Im one of them. I think it's important to know Reigns has done nothing to deserve the backlash. Everything with him has been mismanaged sine the break up with the shield.

First off, Rollins. Yes, he is a heel but does anyone wrestle like a baby face as much as him? Elbow drops through tables. Corkscrew splashes. Watch the RR ppv, he was clearly the baby face of that match besides the storyline.

Why is that important? The Shields career will always be connected. When you think HBK, you rememer the rockers. You think Brett, and you think Hart foundation.

Let me delve in further. You have Reigns, he is supposed to be this bad ass. He has several pretty basic matches, then winds up getting hurt, which doesnt help things. It comes out that during this time he took 2 months of acting classes and his return completly botches his promo, then the following week says a nursery rhyme. WHAT A BADASS! No one "believes" him, pun intended.

Let me elaborate on the brett and hbk comparison because I think there is something there.

What ill do is compare it to dating a girl. All 3 start off as a tag team or in a stable, whatever. Then with hbk and brett we take them out of their stables and start to build them in the midcard.( basically, lets take this broad out on a few dates before the big payoff) After a couple years building, having great matches, perfecting their craft, we are ready for our WM moment, it becomes consensual.
Reigns starts off as the hot new broad, boy is he pretty. The WWE just cant wait to get their nut off! They want him now, they dont care

They just gave Reigns too much, he is not ready, and it is not his fault at all. Just be honest, he is pretty, he is big, he is hand picked. None of this is his fault.

Ghe hypocrisy that is Vince boggles my mind. Grab the brass ring he says, sell! What has Reigns done to do that? It is not about a superstar putting in the work because we would have Ziggler. Its not about being amazing on the mic, or we would have Bray. Its not about being the best technical wrestler of this generation or we would have Bryan. It's about being pretty, about being selected, and about tradition.
The hypocrisy continues. What is the difference between Cesaro and Reigns? Cesaro is by far the better wrestler, and they both can't talk worth a damn. But Cesaro isn't a top guy, come the fuck on.

Ill even admit Reigns is sexy with his background, but let me take him out on a few dates, dont have him skull fuckin me before i even dip my toes.


What do you all say on the matter. This is my week to think about it.

Reigns didnt screw Reigns, Vince did.

Damage control: If you're going to do this, make Reigns heel, turn Rollins face. Align Reigns with Heyman by either screwing Brock or beat Brock clean and Heyman screw Rollins. Have Rollins do something as simple as shaking a hand of a face after a great match. HHH dislikes this, says you.blew your 3 way at RR, blew your MITB, get out.

I agree with a lot of what you said...However, when people say, "well, this isn't Reigns fault, blah blah blah..." I feel that they're right, to an extent. WWE shouldn't have pushed Reigns so quickly. They handled the Rumble poorly and a lot feuds with Reigns and build up, etc....so, for sure, WWE has to take the blame for those instances. In the same breath, I feel that Reigns isn't that talented, regardless. He has a lot of potential, yes. Just as many guys on the roster do. I simply think that other talent should be pushed before he does.

I don't mind the guy winning the Rumble. I don't mind his in ring style either. I'm all for younger, upcoming talent winning the "big one" and being pushed. Again, I just feel that WWE messed some stuff up and, quite frankly, Reigns has a lot of work that needs to be done. He's doing his job....yes. But I feel there's other talent on the roster that are just doing their job as well and they're much better at it.

AS far as Rollins becoming a face, I don't agree with that at all. Rollins is a great heel. He's one of those stars that people love to hate and he's sitting well with the Authority right now.

So, in essence, I agree with like all of what you said....just some parts not really.

 

[Danielson]

Rollins already is baby face but no one knows it. RR ppv if a random tuned in, you'd be like, "Well, Rollins is baby face" From reactions, down to moveset in that match.

 

[edge4ever]

Rollins already is baby face but no one knows it. RR ppv if a random tuned in, you'd be like, "Well, Rollins is baby face" From reactions, down to moveset in that match.

Well, Rollins can be a good babyface I'm sure. I feel that he has the talent to do both. We'll have to see. I get what you mean by crowd reactions. He has the moves to make the crowd be "wowed" But, I feel that the crowd also cheered for Lesnar a lot, too. I think that people just wanted to cheer for the bad guys that night as they didn't want another repeat Cena victory. Sure, Rollins stole the show, no doubt. I don't know if this convinces me that he should be a baby face, however, as he's been doing very well at being the bad guy.

Keeping his as a bad guy that's damn good might the best move for him. People will boo him sometimes, but mainly love him. They did the same thing with CM Punk. Booed him when he faced certain opponents, like The Rock....But when he faced Cena, or most others, he was cheered even though he was the heel.

Yet, I feel Punk was much better off as a heel just as I feel the same for Rollins.

 

[CM Punk]

Rollins already is baby face but no one knows it. RR ppv if a random tuned in, you'd be like, "Well, Rollins is baby face" From reactions, down to moveset in that match.

Well, if he didn't see the video package before the match, sure.
But these kind of reactions only happen in certain cities like Philly I guess, Chicago, New York, etc.

 

[Stopspot]

Said it before, will say again.

No problem with Roman. But he is not ready to headline a mania. His body of work does not say mania headliner.

 

[Trip in the Head]

I don't think they were completely wrong to book Reigns to win the Rumble (even though the story of Daniel Bryan vs Brock Lesnar made much more sense and would have been so much better.) In Reigns' defense, he was one of the most over guys heading into the Royal Rumble, he legitimately won Superstar Of The Year according to some sources, and Bryan's reactions on the last few Raw's before the Rumble didn't really suggest to me with any degree of certainty that Reigns would get shit all over if he won.

I think the issue wasn't so much that Bryan lost, but HOW he lost. WWE made people believe that Bryan had probably the best chance out of anyone to win the match, and yet he ends up being dumped out in one of the most unceremonious ways possible. Almost as if WWE were saying, "Hahaha, fuck you" to everyone who were pulling for Bryan. I actually wonder, if Bryan hadn't been eliminated so swiftly and casually, if the backlash against Reigns would have been quite as intense. WWE threw up the figurative middle finger, and in response the Philly crowd delivered their own return-fire by shitting over the biggest moment of Reigns' career.

All that said, if the lukewarm reaction towards Reigns continue and they end up having to turn him heel just to salvage this whole thing, then so be it. Looking at his former character in NXT as well as the way he's been conducting himself in real-life interviews lately, something tells me that he was maybe born to be a heel anyway:

Wow, never seen those. Thanks for sharing those. Some of the smiles in the second video look kind of Bo-lievable though. "Bo-lieve That"

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Said it before, will say again.

No problem with Roman. But he is not ready to headline a mania. His body of work does not say mania headliner.

who are you to make that proclamation? Wrestling fans are so full of themselves

 

[Stopspot]

who are you to make that proclamation? Wrestling fans are so full of themselves

Obviously I ain't the one to make the call. But I can only speak from my own perspective and viewpoints right?

And I personally do not consider Roman Reigns ready for the role bestowed upon him. He's 1 or 2 years from it in my mind.

Besides, it's not like it is just the IWC that says that Reigns isn't ready. Stone Cold himself has said it.

It's like Triple H said in 2013: The fans pick who they roll with. WWE throws guys out there to see what sticks and then adapt. Vince McMahon didn't pick Austin, the fans did. Just like the fans picked, Rock, Cena and Edge as top guys after. The fans will pick the top guys going forward.

 

[Trip in the Head]

The fans will pick the top guys going forward.

DB being the exception? Not that I care that much, but if that statement above is true shouldn't DB be the #1 guy?

 

[Just Kevin]

3:30-4:30

NUFF SAID!

 

[Stopspot]

DB being the exception? Not that I care that much, but if that statement above is true shouldn't DB be the #1 guy?

Well yeah, but this is not the first point in history where what McMahon wants clashes with what the fanbase wants. Fans wanted Bret, Vince pushed Luger. Ended up with Bret winning out in end but still.

This is not a new dance, it happens every 5 to 7 seven years. Sometimes Vince wins, sometimes the fans win. But I think historically looking back the fans have won more than they have lost. Because when Vince wins he pays for it out of his wallet.

Or some kind of middle ground is found

 

[Trip in the Head]

3:30-4:30

NUFF SAID!

Sweet. I hate Cole so much. Heel or face versions lol

 

[CM Punk]

Obviously I ain't the one to make the call. But I can only speak from my own perspective and viewpoints right?

And I personally do not consider Roman Reigns ready for the role bestowed upon him. He's 1 or 2 years from it in my mind.

Besides, it's not like it is just the IWC that says that Reigns isn't ready. Stone Cold himself has said it.

It's like Triple H said in 2013: The fans pick who they roll with. WWE throws guys out there to see what sticks and then adapt. Vince McMahon didn't pick Austin, the fans did. Just like the fans picked, Rock, Cena and Edge as top guys after. The fans will pick the top guys going forward.

Just because Stone Cold said it, doesn't necessarily mean he's right either. Think you're using that as a way to claim that because he said it, it must be true.
Out of curiosity, who would be ready at this moment in your mind?

 

[Trip in the Head]

who would be ready at this moment in your mind?

That's thread worthy right there.

I would vote ziggler