Royal Rumble Rate Royal Rumble 2017

[Snowman1]

And I hope AJ is facing Shane McMahon at Wrestlemania, so I can spend that night spending my 9.99 at Subway instead. Their new steak sub never lets me down.

 

[Yuu]

I sort of disagree. I mean Lesnar came in the ring and completely destroyed like 7 people in the ring. He crushed them so bad that none of them could get up for minutes.

It's obvious that the ONLY person Lesnar has a problem with is Goldberg. I honestly don't think that makes him look like a bitch at all. I think in the first match, he underestimated Goldberg. Honestly, I think he underestimated him again. Lesnar and Heyman were of the mind that they ONLY reason Goldberg beat Lesnar was because Lesnar underestimated him. When you think about it, that admission alone was a form of underestimation. He was just so convinced he was going to destroy Goldberg this time.

We all know we're getting Goldberg vs Lesnar at WrestleMania. So, WWE has to try and make this match interesting. Most people thought Lesnar would win at the Survivor Series. He didn't and he got crushed. Then we thought Lesnar would get some measure of revenge at the Rumble. And he got owned. I think this is being done to give people doubt that Lesnar will actually win the match. I think they're just trying to give credibility to Goldberg to really make us wonder what they are going to do with the WrestleMania match.

Honestly, I've been enjoying Lesnar getting owned by Goldberg. It's different and entertains me more than just having Lesnar own everyone over and over.

After SS and this rumble, for me it's pretty obvious that if they are going to fight again at wm, lesnar will win. A 0-3 is out of question. I mean, even Zack Ryder wasn't buried so brutally.
And btw where is the credibility, when someone who's considered a monster is ridiculed 2 times in a row by someone who barely can stand for 5 minutes in a ring, doing always the same things (a couple of spears and a jackhammer) ...

 

[Jacob Fox]

After SS and this rumble, for me it's pretty obvious that if they are going to fight again at wm, lesnar will win. A 0-3 is out of question. I mean, even Zack Ryder wasn't buried so brutally.
And btw where is the credibility, when someone who's considered a monster is ridiculed 2 times in a row by someone who barely can stand for 5 minutes in a ring, doing always the same things (a couple of spears and a jackhammer) ...

That's pretty much all Goldberg ever did so it doesn't bother me. Wouldn't really make sense to bring Goldberg back and have wrestle different than the pattern that made him famous in the first place. So it doesn't bother me at all. So Goldberg got the better of Lesnar two times in the past couple of months. It doesn't mean he's not going to get his head together and just kill Goldberg in the last match.

I dunno, to each their own. I loved it.

And hell, Goldberg can stand and move better than Undertaker and Undertaker had two matches in 2015 with Lesnar and brutalized him.

 

[Yuu]

That's pretty much all Goldberg ever did so it doesn't bother me. Wouldn't really make sense to bring Goldberg back and have wrestle different than the pattern that made him famous in the first place. So it doesn't bother me at all. So Goldberg got the better of Lesnar two times in the past couple of months. It doesn't mean he's not going to get his head together and just kill Goldberg in the last match.

I dunno, to each their own. I loved it.

And hell, Goldberg can stand and move better than Undertaker and Undertaker had two matches in 2015 with Lesnar and brutalized him.

1- When I say "only spears and jackhammers" I mean ... REALLY, NO OTHER MOVES! ZERO!
During his career he used to do something else, obviously, like every wrestler. Not only his finishing moves.

2- What I tried to say before was that the "WWE tried to make this match interesting" concept, had no sense at all.
If anything, the exact opposite.
I mean, after 2 defeats like these, how can they make Lesnar lose at WM? So it's evident that he will win in the end (if they will fight again) and the match will not be interesting.

 

[Jacob Fox]

1- When I say "only spears and jackhammers" I mean ... REALLY, NO OTHER MOVES! ZERO!
During his career he used to do something else, obviously, like every wrestler. Not only his finishing moves.

2- What I tried to say before was that the "WWE tried to make this match interesting" concept, had no sense at all.
If anything, the exact opposite.
I mean, after 2 loss like these, how can they make Lesnar lose at WM? So it's evident that he will win in the end (if they will fight again) and the match wouldn't be interesting.

No, he also shoved Lesnar down in the SS match, so three moves... although I am mostly just being silly with the answer. And he did have matches where he only speared and jack hammered a guy. Not someone of Lesnar's quality, but that's irrelevant. Lesnar turned away from Goldberg and Goldberg would have been stupid to not spear him right away. But, it has already been reported that the major reason the SS match was so short was because Goldberg was injured.

It was supposedly evident that Lesnar was going to win at SS. It was also supposedly evident that Brock would get revenge at Royal Rumble by eliminating Goldberg. Both of these things that people argued were evident did not happen. So I would say no, it's not evident that Lesnar is going to win. I actually think WWE has shown that at least in this one feud, they are willing to do things that are not evident or obvious.

Regardless of how it plays out, I am interested and I'm not a fan of either guy. So I personally think they're doing this right. But I understand that I'm not everyone and people will disagree. But I'm intrigued.

 

[CM Punk]

Of the 8 free spots we got...

03). Discount Rey Mysterio ~ Kalisto (1)
05). The English Gentleman ~ Jack Gallagher (2)
06). Perverted Candy Bar ~ Mark Henry (3)
10). Perfect 10 ~ Tye Dillinger (4)
11). E.T. ~ James Ellsworth (Carmella Cameo)(5)
22). The Human Shark ~ Apollo Crews (6)
27). Talk Box ~ Enzo (7)
30). Boring Pains ~ Roman Reigns (8)

I have to admit...besides Tye Dillinger...that is a really sad list...
especially compared to some ideas and lists that were posted
on this very forum.

No Joe, Balor, Charlotte, Rowan, Angle, Tyler Bate, SAni†Y members,
Kendricks, Rollins, Styles, Sin Cara or Kane.

No Kane? are you kidding me? So Mark Henry and Big Show get a run...
but Glen Jacobs doesn't get to enter his 20th career Rumble.

May-be we all expected too much...

It was great to see Brock get bitched by Goldberg again...I did enjoy that...

Do any Brock fans need any tissues again? I still
have a few boxes leftover after Survivor Series...lol

why the fuck would Charlotte be in it? And wtf Rollins lost the right to be in it on RAW, do you not watch the product? (Which would be fair, but even I don't watch the product so????)

 

[Jacob Fox]

why the fuck would Charlotte be in it? And wtf Rollins lost the right to be in it on RAW, do you not watch the product? (Which would be fair, but even I don't watch the product so????)

Eh, they like to throw a woman in every few years. Wasn't Kharma the last one? However, I would assume they would bring in Nia Jax before Charlotte.

I actually have to defend the Rollins thing though. There have been times in the past were wrestlers successfully stole the spots from other wrestlers. So yeah, Rollins wasn't in it but he could have gotten back in with that easy spot stealing tactic.

 

[Yuu]

No, he also shoved Lesnar down in the SS match, so three moves... although I am mostly just being silly with the answer. And he did have matches where he only speared and jack hammered a guy. Not someone of Lesnar's quality, but that's irrelevant. Lesnar turned away from Goldberg and Goldberg would have been stupid to not spear him right away. But, it has already been reported that the major reason the SS match was so short was because Goldberg was injured.

It was supposedly evident that Lesnar was going to win at SS. It was also supposedly evident that Brock would get revenge at Royal Rumble by eliminating Goldberg. Both of these things that people argued were evident did not happen. So I would say no, it's not evident that Lesnar is going to win. I actually think WWE has shown that at least in this one feud, they are willing to do things that are not evident or obvious.

Regardless of how it plays out, I am interested and I'm not a fan of either guy. So I personally think they're doing this right. But I understand that I'm not everyone and people will disagree. But I'm intrigued.

So, after been defeated 3 times in a row from a guy that (for the first 2 times at least) barely can stand in a ring for 5 minutes ...
What Lesnar will do?
He'll play the "beat the clock" challenge with barrels like Titus O' Jobber during raw, and he will sit at the commentary table during ppv?
Seriously ... It would be an extreme burial

 

[Jacob Fox]

So, after been defeated 3 times in a row from a guy that (for the first 2 times at least) barely can stand in a ring for 5 minutes ...
What Lesnar will do?
He'll play the "beat the clock" challenge with barrels like Titus O' Jobber during raw, and he will sit at the commentary table during ppv?
Seriously ... It would be an extreme burial

Just going to say one last thing and then if you want to continue talking about it, I'd encourage you to start a new thread. We've gone a bit off topic here and we have to get the thread back on track. So feel free to start a thread about this topic and I am sure me and others will love to talk to you about it there. Plus this is a GOOD topic you bring up and it would make an excellent thread I think.

Well you're seriously exaggerating Goldberg's physical state. It's not so bad that he can barely stand. In wrestling we have always made people who are not as strong in real life seem stronger while in the ring. Again, Undertaker has worse physical problems than Goldberg and he still tends to dominate anyone he goes up again-including taking it straight to Lesnar.

What will Lesnar do? I have no idea. I don't work in creative. My only point is that the community at large keep saying that WWE is going to do something very specific with Lesnar and Goldberg and EVERY time they have been wrong. And not only wrong, but extremely wrong. So in my mind that means that YES, it is possible that Goldberg might win again based on nothing more than how they've used him so far.

I don't think it makes Lesnar look weak at all. In fact, I think it's downright silly when people say things like that. So Lesnar is having issues with Goldberg? So what? He obviously isn't having issues with anyone else. So simply because one guy beats him consistently, that makes him a bitch? Well, by logic then that would make every other guy in the WWE a super bitch because bitch Lesnar is still going to be dominating their butts.

What wrestling fans should quit doing is assuming that the results of one match or one feud really have that large of an effect on subsequent feuds. Very often a wrestler gets beaten over and over by a wrestler but still goes on to beat plenty of others and continue to dominate.

So no, I do not think this will in ANY way degrade Lesnar's character at all.

 

[Yuu]

I'm too lazy to start a new thread :laughing: ,so i'll write my last comment about it.

1- regarding Oldberg, the point isn't his real health condition or his fit. The point is what his character do, and what he do is to remain few minutes in the squared circle, using 2 moves.
The undertaker during 2015 fought 2 times against lesnar showing a decent moves set and lasting a lot more.

2- However, I'll say it again: after SS, after all Heyman speeches, after 2 defeats like these, it would be crazy if he lost again at WM.
We are talking about Lesnar, that 6 months ago was considered an incredible ass kicker.
This scenario would make Goldberg look like a freakin god, and/or Brock like a bitch.

Period.

* Btw I'm not a Lesnar fan, or something like that.
I hate his character and I despice his "wrestling" skills nowadays (cuz back in 2004 he was better in the ring, before he joined UFC)

 

[Grievous 3D]

why the fuck would Charlotte be in it? And wtf Rollins lost the right to be in it on RAW, do you not watch the product? (Which would be fair, but even I don't watch the product so????)

I was hoping Charlotte would be in it like Chyna, Beth Phoenix and Awesome Kong (Kharma)...
Just a shock entry for a bit of fun...and so Charlotte can join that group of history making women.
And...
I know Rollins lost the right to be in it...and Yes I do watch the product...and I will keep watching
the product as long as Lesnar keeps getting made out to be a part time, drug cheating BITCH
like he really is...but it was a mistake for Rollins to not be seen at the event at all. Stupid booking.

And also I have a question for you...is your name and avatar an attempt to combine to the two
most overrated and most recently bitched performers in WWE/UFC history?

Just curious...

 

[Chicken McDouble]

I gave it a 7/10, some pro's and cons...

+ The Club won the tag titles, something I was very happy about.
+ Charlotte vs Bayley was a very solid opener, that Natural Selection on the apron... damn.
+ Roman vs Owens was much, much better to what was expected, and Owens retained so... yay!
+ Cruiserweight match was very underrated IMO, can't believe the crowd were pretty much dead for it.
+ Styles vs Cena... oh my god, this was a (no pun intended) phenomenal match, and a 2017 match of the year candidate already.
+ Dillinger coming out at Number 10, WWE do something right for once.
+ Goldberg making Lesnar his bitch again.
+ Jericho being Jericho.

- No suprise entrants/returning legends, that's what really makes this rumble a bad one.
- Roman coming out at Number 30... like, come on WWE... they even made him part of the final 2 with Orton.
- Big Cass being Number 1 was weird and didn't feel right.
- Roman eliminating Undertaker... you just had to didn't you Vince?
- No Samoa Joe.
- The whole rumble match being a major disappointment.
- Randy Orton winning was... meh. The only way this will work is if Cena drops the title to Bray at Elimination Chamber and we have Orton vs Wyatt for the title at Mania. (which would be a solid main event with some story)

Overall... the Royal Rumble was going very, very well... until the match that actually makes the event what it is came along and ruined it all.

 

[Rosie]

Also now that I slept on it, my rating is a 7 instead of a 6.

I shouldn't let Orton and Reigns ruin my enjoyment of the show. Honestly, it wasn't amazing, but the match itself was good.



But I think Z-Man here sums it up fairly whale. (Whale...I think that may be something I'll keep going for a while...)

Spoiler: Edit What I said on Skype to a certain negative neckbearded person who is a bitch

Now that I slept on the show...it wasn't as bad as you think. Cena winning I didn't mind, the CW match was one of the better ones they have had, KO and Roman did well in their match and the Women's match was good.

The issue was the booking in the Rumble more than anything as everyone else put up a good performance. I think if they would have replaced Roman with someone else, perhaps had at least one more big surprise entrance, even with Randy winning, it will be looking on more fondly.

Maybe it is me being super positive, but I shouldn't let #30 ruin an otherwise good show. May not be on the levels of Wrestle Kingdom, or some other wrestling, but I say this is a B- as a whole? Yeah, a pass, but could have been better.

 

[WholeFN'Moe]

Of the 8 free spots we got...

I knew it was going to suck with the limited "surprises" we were getting.... HHH, Joe, Finn (not really surprises)

but then they didn't even do THAT, they did NOTHING!

The only way could be Aj Styles screwing Cena someway during the EC.
Cena lose the belt and go to wm for the third and last match against him.

To me it doesn't really matter, Cena isn't the issue.

I don't mind Cena having the belt or in the main event since he's impressed me alot. He put AJ over big time. What makes it NOT OK is the fact that VINCE not only took the WWE Title off of AJ but didn't even give him the 3rd big match at WM with UnderTaker.

That went to Roman..... while arguably the best wrestler in the world is going to face Shane McMahon?

...It just stinks up the card completely. The other thing that is BS is that Orton didn't need to win the RR to be in the main event. They could have accomplished that while having Zayne or Jericho win the Rumble for the RAW Title.

The event itself was going great before the Rumble. Owens and Reigns had a great match

I was ready to give WWE credit for a great PPV until the Rumble match.... actually was even going to give them credit until Roman came out.

Him being #30 didn't bother me that bad... it's him throwing out Jericho & Zayne who should have won & setting up Taker/Roman for WM that ruined everything.

For me that just took it right back to the first match ....KO Vs Roman & ruined the whole thing & rating for that match as well.

Don't get me wrong I was happy KO retained but the biggest reason I was happy is because I was convinced they were going with Roman Vs Strowman & Roman wasn't going to stink up one of the big matches at WM that should have went to AJ.

Now AJ is stuck with Shane. It made ZERO sense to have Strowman attack him if they weren't building a program.

It's almost like they were going to do that but then at #30 Vince got scared and was like: "HUNTER I CHANGE MY MIND.... SEND JOE HOME ....REPLACE HIM WITH ROMAN & HAVE HIM CHALLENGE THE UNDERTAKER"

...Then to have Orton win right after just put a sour taste on everything since he could have been in the main event without winning a very boring Rumble, with no surprises, therefor the ending should have atleast been a surprise.... Well a GOOD surprise I mean.

He took the whole awesome 5 hour PPV and ruined it completely within seconds.

Also now that I slept on it, my rating is a 7 instead of a 6

I wish I could be that optimistic lol... I'll pump mine up to a 4

For Orton/Cena & Neville/Swann

(Not including KO/Roman because him not facing Strowman instead of UnderTaker ruined everything)

 

[edge4ever]

The rumble had a golden opportunity this year to truly do something special. The issue is that the WWE is trying to "protect" too many superstars. Trying to protect braun. Trying to protect Brock. Trying to protect Goldberg. Trying taker. Trying Roman. Etc. that when you put all these fucks into a big match, it's Shit because everyone around them has to look like bitches even from a shoulder tackle. And, in order for any of the fucks to be eliminated, it has to be done by another overpowered fuck. So it's all fucked if you ask me.

In addition, it felt like there wasn't enough surprises and Vince was focusing too hard on pushing the giants and old veterans. Orton winning was bs and not needed. Was it better than Roman? Yeah, at this point James Ellsworth winning was better.

It felt like WWE had the chance to make a golden special royal rumble, having stars battle others that no one thought possible, and they fucked it up big time.