Midnight Mass Mafia Game Thread — Game ended.

[Nostradamus]

Ok so you voted to see if there was some sort of crack to lean them more towards scum… in your post you seem to be saying that’s exactly what happened, but you unvoted?? How does that make sense

I want to be sure, not make a mistake and not vote on a townie like I did last time.

 

[Pendex]

For what it's worth, "not a fan of their play", "feels off" and "awkward" are complete meme reads in this section and what Poyser said was clearly not serious.

In which case, their vote would be "fluff", a characteristic which they already denied. What purpose does it serve if not to engage in discussion around it now, and why are you speaking for him?

 

[Sky]

In which case, their vote would be "fluff", a characteristic which they already denied. What purpose does it serve if not to engage in discussion around it now, and why are you speaking for him?

Just keeping you informed about the culture of the section

You seem awfully tense

 

[Poyser]

Suicidal? In what sense?
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I think of the three voters here though, Poyser still looks the worst. Firstly, he attempted to use a town-clearing term (he misused it, though).

The correct term is "too scummy to be scum", and is derived from the idea that scum are too careful to fall for the most glaringly obvious scum tells, and so any player falling for them is probably just town. It's a very silly notion, because they're scum tells for a reason, but that's not really the point here. To establish that this is the case, Poyser must demonstrate that my vote was scummy. He took issue with the wording, but that's not really the point. The argument I raised against Poyser is that he dropped a vote, and then worded it in a way that appears to try and encourage discussion around the vote:


And then... nothing. Until I vote for him.

And yet it's more nothing. "Off/awkward" is a pretty meaningless accusation by itself, simply because there are no posts keyed to this accusation by Poyser. If the goal was to encourage discussion, then highlighting these posts in or around the original vote would have more sense, because that gives some actual substance to get stuck into. At the very least, when he comes to clarify the intent behind the vote, he could point to which posts give this feel. I mean, why not? Then we can see if we agree or disagree, and Tweet can either defend it or concede it. Poyser playing it the way he did merely gave the appearance of substance, and his reaction to being voted for certainly doesn't make me feel any better about his alignment. Over to you, Poyser.

There is a glaring problem with all of this

you’re completely ignoring the context around what I said. People were in the thread discussing the timing of my vote, whether it was a coincidence or not and clearly assuming it was a random vote. I clarified that it wasn’t for them. There was no bait. I did want to see how people reacted yes, because when all I have is a feeling and nothing concrete, the best thing to do is to see how others react to you throwing it out there so it could be useful later.

i don’t believe a townie would miss the context of my vote being discussed before I chimed in. It’s like you just threw some generic “this is scummy” reasoning at me with no attempt to actually think it through

also again, as I’ve said, the assertion that I dipped is fucking ridiculous considering I was gone for 10 minutes. Again, there’s zero critical thinking here and just throwing out scummy terminology

 

[Pendex]

also not really been a fan of Pandex’s defence at all. Way too much focus on trying to dismiss it all as “nonsense” and zero focus on trying to read the people pushing the “nonsense”

Hogwash. I've demonstrated that the given reasoning within the votes is pretty weak, and I've asked for those giving it to substantiate it or otherwise engage. That in turn allows me to read them, and them, me. You, on the other hand, have been pretty disengaged, preferring to reply to me indirectly like here. How is it helping you read me, Poyser?

 

[Poyser]

Yeah I remember going for Sky last time and I read her completely wrong lol.
And the vote/unvote thing is definitely something I did last game for the exact same reason, btw.

I remember you unvoting last time, but it certainly wasn’t for the same reason lol. Last game sky pointed out you were voting even though she’d already claimed so you unvoted. I remember it because I thought it was dodgy at the time

 

[Poyser]

Hogwash. I've demonstrated that the given reasoning within the votes is pretty weak, and I've asked for those giving it to substantiate it or otherwise engage. That in turn allows me to read them, and them, me. You, on the other hand, have been pretty disengaged, preferring to reply to me indirectly like here. How is it helping you read me, Poyser?

What the fuck are you on about

 

[Poyser]

Countless? I've played one game with the gimmick. And made one post in the sign up thread, and one post in the discussion thread, that followed parts of the gimmick. It's not like this has been a long-standing tradition. Frankly, I'd be more surprised to see gimmick posting continue beyond a single game than to expect it to be maintained, especially when the majority of the gimmick was dropped.

The typical conclusion to me dropping it would be that I intend to play this game, not more seriously per se, but more in line with how I usually play. That's about as NAI as it gets, so your conclusion that it is because I rolled scum is... really quite bizarre to me, actually, given that it would actually be pretty useful as scum, as has been pointed out in this thread. Moreover, it demonstrates a lack of willingness to actually try to figure out my slot - pointing to surface level differences between my previous game as Town and this one and saying it is because of an alignment change isn't exactly an ideal way to resolve my slot.

Nah. You played with it the entire game last time despite people asking you to drop it and even assuming it was a PR. You continued it in the signup thread (pretty sure you posted more than once in the sign up thread btw) and again were asked to drop it. Neither of these times did you drop it, yet when you start playing this game you immediately drop it. Why would the typical conclusion be that it’s NAI? That doesn’t make any sense at all. Of course people are going to want to look into that and it’s a bizarre statement to try and deny that fact or paint it as scummy. The typical conclusion would be that you’re scum who is worried about being lynched due to your gimmick as you’ve already drawn ire over it and decided to try and play properly and “contribute” instead

and then you vote me for dipping despite me being gone for 10 minutes lmao. You’d have to be really dense to not be able to see why I’d find you scummy here

 

[Pendex]

You seem awfully tense

Do I? Or is that a characteristic within my posts you've invented to discredit them? By all means, establish this quality within my posting.

you’re completely ignoring the context around what I said. People were in the thread discussing the timing of my vote, whether it was a coincidence or not and clearly assuming it was a random vote. I clarified that it wasn’t for them. There was no bait. I did want to see how people reacted yes, because when all I have is a feeling and nothing concrete, the best thing to do is to see how others react to you throwing it out there so it could be useful later.

I quoted the posts verbatim, people can click the links within the quotes to see the context for themselves. It's irrelevant to my point here. You voted, then afterwards decided to clarify that your vote was not fluff, but not substantiate it for some reason, and then gave out a throwaway line of reasoning after I voted you for it. Though, with that last post, given that it was made in the same minute as mine, I'll be charitable and say you probably missed it, and it was simply coincidental.

I'm not asking for "concrete" either. But gut feelings don't come from the stars. You said their posts were awkward, so if your purpose was to seek opinions, calling those posts up and saying "hey, does this post not read awkwardly to you guys" would be a far better strategy than vague allusions to reasoning and then later saying it was your gut feelings while still not doing the above.

i don’t believe a townie would miss the context of my vote being discussed before I chimed in. It’s like you just threw some generic “this is scummy” reasoning at me with no attempt to actually think it through

Except you haven't established that the context refutes what it is I'm saying.

also again, as I’ve said, the assertion that I dipped is fucking ridiculous considering I was gone for 10 minutes. Again, there’s zero critical thinking here and just throwing out scummy terminology

The important part around the "dipped" comment wasn't the length of time, per se. It was how you left your comments there when they were supposed to promote discussion, when you could have done a better job at doing that by being more elaborate and explicit with your reasoning at the time instead of drawing it out. It could be 5 minutes, it could be 5 hours, it's the process that doesn't stand up to reason here.

 

[Pendex]

What the fuck are you on about

Is English not your first language?

 

[Nostradamus]

I remember you unvoting last time, but it certainly wasn’t for the same reason lol. Last game sky pointed out you were voting even though she’d already claimed so you unvoted. I remember it because I thought it was dodgy at the time

It was for the same reason. I had just missed that post and went back on what I was doing because it made no sense to after I saw it. That's exactly what happened lol. As for Pendex, I still think they're weird, trying to sound way too fucking smart and are not making a good case, as you've pointed out.

 

[Sky]

Do I? Or is that a characteristic within my posts you've invented to discredit them? By all means, establish this quality within my posting.

Just going off your posts in other games you posted, everything seems much more casual.

 

[Poyser]

I quoted the posts verbatim, people can click the links within the quotes to see the context for themselves. It's irrelevant to my point here.

erm I’m saying YOU ignored it as in YOU ignored it when trying to paint me as scummy and clearly didn’t take it into consideration at all. Why would your first thought here that I was saying you didn’t quote the context??? Seems like someone that’s more concerned with how they look than anything else to me.

 

[Poyser]

Is English not your first language?

Yes, but I struggle with pure shite

 

[Marty McFourth]

In what way does it remind you of that?

also, do you have any thoughts on pandex themself?

When I voted Haza mostly and she immediately followed. I don't like the justification of Pendex being 'low activity' so let's solve them. Especially because the one game I played they at least did their fare share and weren't totally absent from the thread

Not really any thoughts at the moment, but I do like the way they are defending themselves. Feels towny to me