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I am glad you’re going above and beyond on the thread topic, cheers.
I thoroughly disagree with @RLStern on this one, but he's an active poster that stick to the topic so I'm a fan thus far.
 

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I am glad you’re going above and beyond on the thread topic, cheers.

How do?

As a wrestler, I can tell you bumps do not hurt.

For a fanatic to respond from their keyboard telling me it does, aligns with the Topic Thread of Dumbest things wrestling fans say.

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I thought you were done responding?

Or does this debate proceed and I continue to refute your claims?
 
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It was a gif.

I purposefully didn't respond to any point you made, even though you wrote a full paragraph knowing I wasn't going to. :uhoh

I did however move on to another topic for the thread. You should do the same.
 
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As a wrestler, I can tell you bumps do not hurt.

For a fanatic to respond from their keyboard telling me it does, aligns with the Topic Thread of Dumbest things wrestlingfans say.
Since you're gonna directly address me, if you're on a wrestling message board, you can drop using fanatic as an insult.

Also, every other wrestler contradicts you so you don't need to keep repeating that you are a wrestler. We get it.
 

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Wrestling is fake..the bumps are not.

The tole of backbumping and working with shit workers isn't either.

Major stunts are predetermined too...hence the term....fake.

Holyfuck.....how many times are we gonna go through this?
 
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Since I'm a wrestler is the standard you ascribe expertise to, here's DDP talking about the toll bumps took on his body:

https:// bleacherreport.com/articles/ 2610966-this-fake-stuff-hurts-like-hell-pro-wrestlings-painful-toll-on-the-body
Click the gif below.
(He even specifically says not to call it fake, :oops)

I'll leave you all with that. Enjoy. Read the whole thing. He addresses almost everything mentioned in this discussion.
 
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Wrestling is fake..the bumps are not.

The tole of backbumping and working with shit workers isn't either.

Major stunts are predetermined too...hence the term....fake.

Holyfuck.....how many times are we gonna go through this?
The bumps IS wrestling. You don't wrestle without taking bumps.

But at least you are willing to admit the bumps aren't fake.
 

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Since I'm a wrestler is the standard you ascribe expertise to, here's DDP talking about the toll bumps took on his body:

https:// bleacherreport.com/articles/ 2610966-this-fake-stuff-hurts-like-hell-pro-wrestlings-painful-toll-on-the-body

(He even specifically says not to call it fake, :oops)

I'll leave you all with that. Enjoy. Read the whole thing. He addresses almost everything mentioned in this discussion.
Click the gif to go to the article. It keeps making the link a broken video for some reason.
 

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I purposefully didn't respond to any point you made, even though you wrote a full paragraph knowing I wasn't going to.

I did however move on to another topic for the thread. You should do the same.

Argument therefore refuted, debate over.


Wait...

Since you're gonna directly address me, if you're on a wrestling message board, you can drop using fanatic as an insult.

Also, every other wrestler contradicts you so you don't need to keep repeating that you are a wrestler. We get it.

Fanatic isn’t an insult, it’s someone who’s extremely devoted to a product.

Compared to regular fans, it’s a much better term than smark as it accurately describes it.

Fans don’t care about workrate or niches, whereas a Fanatic does.

Much the same as Star Wars fans vs fanatics.

Neither does any wrestler contradict me, they’re not going to tell marks it’s fake. I won’t even do that, I’m only doing it because I’m on a forum and anonymous.


Wrestling is fake..the bumps are not.

The tole of backbumping and working with shit workers isn't either.

Major stunts are predetermined too...hence the term....fake.

Holyfuck.....how many times are we gonna go through this?

Bumps are real as in that you’re doing something, just like Acting is real.

What you’re stimulating is fake however, the pain, the psychology of it is fake, just like in movies.

In wrestling you’re really acting, just like for movies, but just like movies it’s completely fake.

it’s like arguing sex scenes are real because two people are naked, even if a scene were real the movie is still fake.

The reason fanatics go to great length to defend it behind a keyboard despite never stepping foot into a ring is because they either want it to be real or feel belittled when someone tells them it’s fake due to past trauma.

Again there’s deeper psychological issues that go on here, there was on a mod on Wrestlingforum named by firebythe that I debated who lost it because I pointed out wrestling is fa

Since I'm a wrestler is the standard you ascribe expertise to, here's DDP talking about the toll bumps took on his body:



I'll leave you all with that. Enjoy. Read the whoel thing. He addresses almsot everythign mentioned in this discussion.


DDP isn’t going to tell marks it’s fake, especially you can draw money and fanatics by telling people it’s real, then you have those that defend you.

How wrestlers talk in public is different than how we do in the locker room.

I would never tell a mark it’s fake in person, on the Internet and anonymously?

Of course I’m going to tell it like it is.

We should embrace that Wrestling is fake if we’re ever going to be take serious, even Star Wars fans don’t do t

The bumps IS wrestling. You don't wrestle without taking bumps.

But at least you are willing to admit the bumps aren't fake.

Again, back bumps don’t hurt. You’ve never stepped in a ring.

Wrestling is fake, just like Movies are fake.

It’s time the industry grow up and embrace this if it wants to be taken seriously.

The other day Jim Cornette went nuts because Ryback pointed out that titles are fake and belts are a prop.

Another instance of a mark in Cornette telling a Wrestler what is.

Cornette has been in the business longer but remains a mark, while Ryback knows better despite being in it for a short period.
 

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Fans don’t care about workrate or niches, whereas a Fanatic does.

Much the same as Star Wars fans vs fanatics.

Neither does any wrestler contradict me, they’re not going to tell marks it’s fake. I won’t even do that, I’m only doing it because I’m on a forum and anonymous.
I don't care about work-rate 90% of the time, either. I literally tried changing the subject of the thread by saying this.

Sorry you can't say every wrestler in the world is keeping kayfabe alive 24/7 even when admitting to sharing needles.

If you want to call DDP a liar, feel free, but he's being candid in that interview and you can tell that. I'll believe DDP over you.

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The crux of your argument is believe me as I'm a wrestler, but don't believe literally every other wrestler that says this hurts and has evidence it hurts.

Anyways. Do you have any other things to say in this thread?

This isn't going anywhere and if DDP admitting to bumps hurting AFTER career-ending injuries, there's nothing left to say here.
 

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I don't care about work-rate 90% of the time, either. I literally tried changing the subject of the thread by saying this.

Sorry you can't say every wrestler in the world is keeping kayfabe alive 24/7 even when admitting to sharing needles.

If you want to call DDP a liar, feel free, but he's being candid in that interview and you can tell that. I'll believe DDP over you.

The crux of your argument is believe me as I'm a wrestler, but don't believe literally every other wrestler that says this hurts and has evidence it hurts.

Anyways. Do you have any other things to say in this thread?

This isn't going anywhere and if DDP admitting to bumps hurting AFTER career-ending injuries, there's nothing left to say here.

Wrestlers use injuries as sympathy heat, this gets marks to be devoted and loyal, which leads to money.

You’re not going to tell marks it doesn’t hurt because that means less fans, you NEVER tell people it’s fake.

When it was exposed to be a work, the workers then tried to say the pain was real.

That’s why David Schultz turned to a crybaby when John Strossel triggered him, and slapped him when he got exposed in effort to prove it as real.

That’s why the garbage of strong style was started, in effort to revive kayfabe but utterly and embarrassingly failed when it didn’t draw.

Professional Wrestling is fake, it’s a made up genre, the hits and the bumps aren’t real, even when the actors attempt to with stiff hits or weapons, it’s still fake, it’s a movie.

The same way a movie doesn’t become real if theres an accident during stunt work or if the director decided to have real sex recorded.

No amount of cognitive dissonance or getting worked changes that.

My trainer a known wrestler does videos where he says it hurts and not everyone can do it, then in real life jokes with me about how it’s fake and recruits anyone and everyone to his school for money.

that’s the nature of the business, to work and trick fans like you to the fullest extent. The fact that you think what they say is gospel, shows you have been worked.

This bothers fanatics as they don’t want to believe their hero’s trick them for money like this.
 
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The fact that you think what they say is gospel, shows you have been worked.
Believing thousands of wrestlers over you doesn't mean I was worked.

It's so weird you think wrestlers will break kayfabe in literally every other facet of wrestling and expose the dark side of wrestling, but then they'll continue to lie about bumps hurting, their bodies being a mess and being an overall wreck to sell fans on the lie, even though they can't work anymore.
 

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This bothers fanatics as they don’t want to believe their hero’s trick them for money like this.
You really need to stop saying patronizing things like this. We all know the matches predetermined, the storylines are scripted by a booker, the angles are fake, we pay knowing all this already, brother. Wrestlers lying about having pain killer addictions due to the bumps they take isn't what draws money.
 
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Forget it. We need to move on. This is going nowhere.

If your story is every wrestler in the world lies about being in pain, cool. There's literally no way to prove or disprove it.

You stick with that, and I'll stick with the medical records of nearly every person that's ever laced up a pair of boots.

Thoughts on what I brought up earlier? Fans who claim matches need to be long and good work-rate matches to be good?
 

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Forget it. We need to move on. This is going nowhere.

If your story is every wrestler in the world lies about being in pain, cool. There's literally no way to prove or disprove it.

You stick with that, and I'll stick with the medical records of nearly every person that's ever laced up a pair of boots.

Thoughts on what I brought up earlier? Fans who claim matches need to be long and good work-rate matches to be good?

Sympathy draws money, it’s why Rey still makes money from that time he said he had 9 surgeries on his knees.

It’s why marks approach wrestlers with honor, as if they’re doing something brave and patriotic.

As to fanatics wanting workrate, it’s an obsession that isn’t normal.

It’s like being fans of Cobra Kai and focusing on the workrate of the karate fight scenes as if it is relevant whatsoever.

What matters is storyline and character.