Connecticut School Shooting

[Killz]

So should we ban cars and alcohol since more people are killed in drunk driving accidents than firearm violence? I mean, after all, if we get rid of cars, then people can't get access to them and murder people. That'll surely work.

Let's ban knives because they're scary looking. Someone might get a hold of one and mass murder people.

Well...just, no. Nonsense of the highest order. Alcohol is at the users discretion and doesn't hurt others en masse. Knives primary use is in the household and the benefits far outweigh any negative consequences that are sad side-effects of something designed and used in a non-violent manner and CARS is the most hilarious one of all, designed completely without a single notion of violence or death in mind entirely to better humanity and aid people.

Guns? Designed ONLY to cause harm to other human beings. There is no comparison, not with recreational drug use, not with alcohol, not with knives, not with cars. The only viable comparison would be other military weapons or something equally nonsensical designed only for violence that somehow got into the hands of the public.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

Another shooting in a San Antonio theatre last night.

 

[Mick Donalds]

You do realize you are only reinforcing the stereotypes of gun toting Americans right?

First & foremost, the number of complaints about Canada & the UK trying to get involved in your own politics, while forgetting all the times the states has sent militairy to other parts of the world to "bring democracy to the people" is contradicting in and of itself, nevermind America is a Republic, not a Democracy.

Then there is Australia, at its inception was a colony where England could send their criminals, based on that one would assume the social dynamics of Australia would be based on criminal activity & violence. Yet the states a colony where high class settlers started, would become the nation hell bent on violence, and put their criminals on pedestals.

The debate about knives is moot, China had a similair attack the same day with a knife, they are suffering from 23 injured, America is dealing with 26 dead, because of legally obtained guns in the shooters house.

What stereotypes? Oh wait, I know... I've heard and seen it before... I've got a mullet, I have a mustache and I fly a huge flag in my jacked up pickup truck with a "Don't Tread on Me" tattoo emblazened across my forehead, right? I'm intolerant and backwards because I sleep with a shotgun, I praise jeeeezussss, and I have no "edjuh-muhcayshun". Those are the worldwide stereotypes of responsible gun-possessing Americans, predicated by hateful, vindictive, gun-ban obsessed state run media. Here's looking at you, BBC!!!

The UK and Canada has absolutely no right or place to meddle in our traditions and social values which embrace guns a complimentary part of our freedoms and rights. Your governments disarmed you, and you allowed it to happen.

As for "High class settlers" coming to the Colonies.. What are you smoking???? Debtors, Publically disgraced politicians, Criminals (Georgia was begun as a debtor and petty criminal colony), Catholics and others fleeing religious persecution made up the majority of people escaping Europe to try their way at a new life. The Elites didn't flee England for the States. You also compartmentalized a large social historical factor which we are still dealing with and which plays into our social dynamics: Slavery. Disenfranchised minorities contribute their equal share to gun violence just as much as other demographics do in the US. Be fortunate you don't deal with our myriad of social issues, and don't "need" guns in your society, since Europe is so "better" and "progressive".

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

What stereotypes? Oh wait, I know... I've heard and seen it before... I've got a mullet, I have a mustache and I fly a huge flag in my jacked up pickup truck with a "Don't Tread on Me" tattoo emblazened across my forehead, right? I'm intolerant and backwards because I sleep with a shotgun, I praise jeeeezussss, and I have no "edjuh-muhcayshun". Those are the worldwide stereotypes of responsible gun-possessing Americans, predicated by hateful, vindictive, gun-ban obsessed state run media. Here's looking at you, BBC!!!

The UK and Canada has absolutely no right or place to meddle in our traditions and social values which embrace guns a complimentary part of our freedoms and rights. Your governments disarmed you, and you allowed it to happen.

As for "High class settlers" coming to the Colonies.. What are you smoking???? Debtors, Publically disgraced politicians, Criminals (Georgia was begun as a debtor and petty criminal colony), Catholics and others fleeing religious persecution made up the majority of people escaping Europe to try their way at a new life. The Elites didn't flee England for the States. You also compartmentalized a large social historical factor which we are still dealing with and which plays into our social dynamics: Slavery. Disenfranchised minorities contribute their equal share to gun violence just as much as other demographics do in the US. Be fortunate you don't deal with our myriad of social issues, and don't "need" guns in your society, since Europe is so "better" and "progressive".

By advocating that your guns mean more than the lives of children, you are reinforcing that stereotype. And by saying that you need your guns to defend yourself, is just admitting your fears.

As far as Europe & Canada having no right in how your country works, America has no right in how any other country works, yet they send in their armies to bring Democracy. The Americans threated Canada when they wanted to legalize marijuana, how is this any different?

And your racial problems, how is it that Canada is the most diverse country in the world, but you are the ones who have to deal with problems dealing with how you called them "minorities"?, maybe because you treat them like second class citizens while forgetting every single American is infact an immegrant(or descendant of immegrants) themselves, even the Natives had to cross the land bridge from Asia.

The problem has nothing to do with your social dynamics, because frankly it is all brought on by yourselves. Other countries have those same issues on larger scales, if it wasnt for the Dutch then the slaves would have never gotten to Canada & America, and yes, Canadians owned slaves too. Does Germany have issues with the Jewish community killing Germans? one would assume attempted genocide would be alot worse than slavery, so racial/religous violence would be expected to be higher in either of those places in Europe, but they are not at all as high as America.

 

[BDC]

I'm sure the main worry on the part of legal gun owners are that the bans and regulations will not end with military rifles and 'semi-automatics' . We, unlike the rest of the world have to deal with a bill of rights that foresaw the need to always be ready to defend yourself...even from your own country. Of course, the world, along with the US, are falling into this sheep mentality that just expects the government to take care of them. They will probably, one day, gladly give up all their rights just to be taken care of by the government.

But don't worry...there's enough anti-gun people out here to push the agenda and get something done. I just hope the next move isn't maniacs blowin' up schools...

 

[BDC]

Ok, I'm gonna back off the gun control issue for moment...

This was a mindless, senseless act. There is no reason or quick cure for it. My heart is indeed broken for these people and our church is in the act of sending people out to CT for emotional and spiritual support. The problem isn't guns... the problem is a world where people have chosen to back off the absolutes...THIS IS WRONG...THAT IS WRONG...we're more interested in a persons sensibilities than right and wrong...We also want to just decide for ourselves what is true and what is not. But when you have someone who is as mentally dis-attached as this looney, his Truth is a terrible wrong. Our society needs to re-evaluate their priorities and stand on truth....unfortunately, good luck in finding in in today's world.

 

[EffectsofRaven]

I've heard some absolutely absurd notions from Americans in particular that teachers should be taught to arm themselves to protect the children? That's cool but can create an even more dangerous atmosphere, makes 100% sense.

I'm more inclined to agree with the idea that control should be introduced to the wholes arm ordeal in America, I get bored of American's going on about their constitutional and amendment rights when they was written in a completely different era, namely when the British was a factor in American power play; times have changed and people can't seem to get their heads around it. Look at the firearm massacre rates in the any none gun totting nations versus America... Notice something?

Not even a vetting system in place, the loops you have to jump through in the UK for a fire arm is insane, yet in America, you don't need ANYTHING; that's more dangerous. Someone breaks into your home, learn some sort of self-defense, quit hiding behind the notion that you have this right long dragged out right which means you can be a massacre waiting to happen; anyone who owns a gun is just as dangerous as a looney with a gun, it takes one thing and BOOM; another massacre.

 

[Chris]

I've heard some absolutely absurd notions from Americans in particular that teachers should be taught to arm themselves to protect the children? That's cool but can create an even more dangerous atmosphere, makes 100% sense.

I'm more inclined to agree with the idea that control should be introduced to the wholes arm ordeal in America, I get bored of American's going on about their constitutional and amendment rights when they was written in a completely different era, namely when the British was a factor in American power play; times have changed and people can't seem to get their heads around it. Look at the firearm massacre rates in the any none gun totting nations versus America... Notice something?

Not even a vetting system in place, the loops you have to jump through in the UK for a fire arm is insane, yet in America, you don't need ANYTHING; that's more dangerous. Someone breaks into your home, learn some sort of self-defense, quit hiding behind the notion that you have this right long dragged out right which means you can be a massacre waiting to happen; anyone who owns a gun is just as dangerous as a looney with a gun, it takes one thing and BOOM; another massacre.

False.

People committing these mass shootings get their guns illegally already anyway.

 

[EffectsofRaven]

False.

People committing these mass shootings get their guns illegally already anyway.

We have illegal guns, everywhere has illegal guns, it'll be nonsense to be believe that everywhere but America lacks illegal firearms. I was making more a point that there's no form of vetting or licensing to hold firearms aside from a sidearm.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

False.

People committing these mass shootings get their guns illegally already anyway.

False, the guns involved in this shooting were legally obtained guns in the shooters home. The father also admitted to knowing his son was Autistic, and suffers from Apsergers, yet they still kept guns in the house. Who would have thought, the guns purchased to protect your family, turns out being the guns that took out 2 members of your family, and 25 others at a school.

 

[Chris]

False, the guns involved in this shooting were legally obtained guns in the shooters home. The father also admitted to knowing his son was Autistic, and suffers from Apsergers, yet they still kept guns in the house. Who would have thought, the guns purchased to protect your family, turns out being the guns that took out 2 members of your family, and 25 others at a school.

Correct, I should have put "most" in my post. Because most gun violence comes from guns illegally obtained. That usually doesn't make for the best story, so that's why all we hear about it is "2 killed, 1 wounded in Alabama shooting" as opposed to the coverage this shooting is getting because it has everything the media loves and more.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

I would assume a large portion is illegally obtained guns, but most domestic violence cases would most likely be crimes of passion, where a registered gun would most likely be used. The right wing news casts would ignore the domestic violence, so they dont reveal that registered guns are killing people, while left wing news cast would be telling people about it every 20 minutes to promote better gun control.

A case like this tragedy, both sides are using it to promote their own agendas, Right wing wants to scare you all into believing that everyone should be armed at all times, Left wing wants to scare you into wanting to ban guns. Neither side is right, as properly educated, trained, and mentally accessed should have every right to own a handgun & hunting rifle, any guns beyond that are excessive, and an abuse of a right.

 

[Deezy]

I'm tired of this discussion of guns and should they be controlled or should they be given to every citizen so they can protect their families, been having this discussion since Columbine. Quite frankly, it has become some sort of ideology now and there will be no changing of anyones minds. It's depressing.

I hunt, I use to have rifles and a few handguns, I enjoyed shooting them. I don't like using them. I hunt with a crossbow, so I don't get a taste of lead if I missed my intended target.

Do I think a gun is going to protect me and my family from a burglar? No. I can do that myself.

Do I think my elderly parents should have a gun so they can protect themselves? Not really. But it would comfort me knowing my pops would cap a mofucka if he tried breaking into his house, but again, you don't need a gun to feel secure imo.

ionsecurity about peoples future is the main reason why people seem to be stockpiling weapons. And they need to to just stop being abunch of pansies and look at their two fists. That is all the protection you need.

And that is just my opinion.

Pussies use guns.

 

[Slim]

Give everyone a gun? Why? Guns protect? Or guns kill?

People kill. Without the person controlling it the gun does nothing. The gun isn't the problem. The guns were never the problem. It is the people using them. And there is no magical way to screen people to know if they are going to be one to use the gun for their "intended use" or use it for something else.

It is what it is.

 

[We Are Legion]

Jesus these personal insults are pointless. If you don't agree with someone, say just that "I disagree" and then state your point.

I don't believe stricter gun laws are necessary. Outlawing guns completely will work just as well as outlawing alcohol did. Criminals who already get their guns illegally will continue to do just that, and you take them away from the normal people who use them for things like hunting (I'm from the South, lots of people still hunt, and the only way to get some good Venison is to kill the deer yourself).

The problem is not guns, it's not video games, it's the pop culture and media of the United States. I haven't read through this entire thread, so I'm sure someone has already stated how everyone knows the shooter's name, but most can't name a single victim. Same goes for other recent mass shootings such as the Batman one. I'll leave you with this:

Correct.

And that pic made my day.