Canada's Idiot Leader...

[This Guy]

First of all, George Bush was not a good president. I can admit that as a conservative. He was an idiot and he made the GOP look like crap although at this point, I'm pretty sure they could do a fine job of that themselves since every other day some Republican seems to make a comment dumber than the day before. Second of all, although originally assumed that no WMDs were found in Iraq, and although Americans did NOT find anything nuclear, they did find large stockpiles of mustard gas and phosgene which, while not quite as bad, is still pretty bad. Third of all, although foreigners think that Obama is the second coming, in truth, he's not. Just how bad you think he is depends on your political views. Personally, I would've rather have had Romney in office, while Keith thinks he's doing an okay job. Not saying I'm right, but that's just my personal opinion vs. his personal opinion. I think that's ultimately our biggest problem is that Obama is just too polarizing. He's too left for the Republicans to even listen to anything he says and I feel like having him in office has made racial tensions worse than they've been in a while. I feel that this whole two party system is really the crux of the issue here, but since that's not likely to change anytime soon, I'm hoping we can at least get someone who is a bit more willing to compromise in office next time. I'm personally hoping Chris Christie runs for office. Although it's clear that he's very anti-union and that he is a conservative, his leadership and bipartisanship after Hurricane Sandy showed that maybe he actually cares more about the people than his political ideals. Now I realize that a politician who cares about the people is about as common in this country as someone walking into their backyard and stumbling across a diamond mine, but I think we're about ready for a more bipartisan president. Please, correct me if I'm wrong about at least that much.

I'm not even going to respond to deezy's comment about America not being a relevant country anymore because I think the stupidity in that statement is obvious enough without me really picking it apart.

I sort of agree with everything you said except 1) the us government recently released documents proving that they knew there were no wmd's in Iraq prior to declaring war on them. Which means this war was technically an unjust war. 2) I agree that Christie would be the republicans best option, but with his more recent bipartisan opinions after the events of hurricane sandy its hard to say if they would ever give him the nomination. At the same time who is to say his opinions stay bipartisan 4 years from now when sandy is a memory and Obama completes his 2nd term. Other then that I think America's 2 party system is broken as you implied but I should mention I think Romney would have been the worst president for the us. He never seemed to have a clear plan. Just kept telling people his plan was better but wouldn't really tell anyone what that plan was.

Play nice folks.

Getting back to a topic I was discussing before the War of 1812 errupted (which Canada won for the record), how exactly was Bush a bad president? Stunned that even a conservative here would allege such a thing. Let me remind everyone here he had the highest approval rating than any other president in history when we went to war with Afghanistan. But those numbers dropped when *gasps* soldiers started dying. Soldiers dying in a war the country wanted no less. So let's not put that blame solely on his shoulders and pretend every one of us didn't want that war too.

Secondly, the Iraq war was started on grounds of assumptions, that's certain. But Saddam had every opportunity to prevent that war himself and he refused. And is anyone really upset that piece of shit is out of commission now? I mean seriously? I'm not trying to paint anyone who disagrees with me as an Iraqi-sympathizer, but that guy had it coming for a long time and no one else would have ever done something about him.

1) I don't think bush was a great president, but I don't think he's been the worst either. 2) I don't think Obama is a great president either. But I think he's better then bush. 3) I don't think anyone is upset with saddam being gone but the question is do the ends justify the means? Misleading the American and world public into believing that an attack from Iraq was imminent when the evidence said otherwise. With holding that evidence just so he could go in and finish what his daddy started is in my opinion a serious breach of the trust you have sworn an oath to uphold as the president of the United States. And I'm not claiming that others in his position in the past haven't done similar things, but if you get found out as he did when these wmd's failed to appear you can't blame anyone for having a souring opinion of that president.

Can we stick to Stephen Harper, please? What does the United States have to do with this discussion? George Bush was a complete moron and although, Barack Obama is a good man, he has not done as much as we would have liked.

Back to Harper, I can't stand him. I hope that Justin Trudeau wins the next election because Harper isn't doing anything good. I was so disappointed that he cut funding for Katimvaik. It just goes to show that he doesn't care about incorporating youth into the community which is what the Liberals do so well (in most cases). Besides, maybe the people in Quebec will be happy if a French prime minister runs the country.

Obama did kill Osama so that's one good thing.

As for Canada last time I checked last time we had a French pm referendums were held in Quebec to separate from Canada on a regular basis. That said Harper was a huge fan of bush. And I never voted for the guy but he didn't turn out to be the evil incarnate I thought he would. However in the last little while he's doing things that I think are going to make even conservative supports think twice about voting for him again. The guy seems to have lost his marbles. I don't know who I would vote for in the next election. Hopefully things will happen to make the right choice more clear. So far the only clear choice is not Harper.

 

[Ryan]

I sort of agree with everything you said except 1) the us government recently released documents proving that they knew there were no wmd's in Iraq prior to declaring war on them. Which means this war was technically an unjust war. 2) I agree that Christie would be the republicans best option, but with his more recent bipartisan opinions after the events of hurricane sandy its hard to say if they would ever give him the nomination. At the same time who is to say his opinions stay bipartisan 4 years from now when sandy is a memory and Obama completes his 2nd term. Other then that I think America's 2 party system is broken as you implied but I should mention I think Romney would have been the worst president for the us. He never seemed to have a clear plan. Just kept telling people his plan was better but wouldn't really tell anyone what that plan was.



1) I don't think bush was a great president, but I don't think he's been the worst either. 2) I don't think Obama is a great president either. But I think he's better then bush. 3) I don't think anyone is upset with saddam being gone but the question is do the ends justify the means? Misleading the American and world public into believing that an attack from Iraq was imminent when the evidence said otherwise. With holding that evidence just so he could go in and finish what his daddy started is in my opinion a serious breach of the trust you have sworn an oath to uphold as the president of the United States. And I'm not claiming that others in his position in the past haven't done similar things, but if you get found out as he did when these wmd's failed to appear you can't blame anyone for having a souring opinion of that president.

I've been a huge Christie fan for a long while, so regardless of what his stance is in 4 years, I'm sure I'll still be a huge fan. He's been great for New Jersey and I really agree with most of his ideals and his no bullshit attitude toward everything. He tells it exactly like it is and doesn't mince words and he's shown that he can be bipartisan. I'm not saying that when it comes to unions he will be, but when it really counts, he can be and I'm sure he'll have no problem getting re-elected this year. I'm hoping the GOP gives him the nomination instead of trying to go with another middle of the road guy who I agree didn't really give definite answers on anything. That being said, I really dislike Obama, so I still think Romney would've been a better option. As far as Bush goes, you're right he wasn't the worst president, but he's the worst president to serve since at least 1900. The fact is though, that large stockpiles of mustard gas and phosgene were found in Iraq when we invaded. That's the same crap the Axis powers were using against us during WWI and WWII. I really don't remember anyone being in support of the Iraq War when we declared war though. We wholeheartedly supported the War on Terror because it came only months after 9/11.

 

[~Fallen Angel~]

Obama did kill Osama so that's one good thing.

As for Canada last time I checked last time we had a French pm referendums were held in Quebec to separate from Canada on a regular basis. That said Harper was a huge fan of bush. And I never voted for the guy but he didn't turn out to be the evil incarnate I thought he would. However in the last little while he's doing things that I think are going to make even conservative supports think twice about voting for him again. The guy seems to have lost his marbles. I don't know who I would vote for in the next election. Hopefully things will happen to make the right choice more clear. So far the only clear choice is not Harper.

Yes, that is one good thing that he did. I feel like Obama is represented as a celebrity more than a president. He does strike me as a good person and a lot of what he says makes sense but unfortunately, he can't seem to do much which is unfortunate. He does have to comply with the Republicans if we like it or not.

In regards to Stephen Harper, I wouldn't say he's an evil man or the worst PM we've had but he isn't what we need right now. I disagree with his views and I feel that he isn't focused on youth and our community. Quebec will always be the only province in Canada that has its own stupid laws and outlook on being distinct from the rest of Canada. The topic of separation will never die and this is partially the federal government's fault. Rather than put Quebec in its place and make it clear that they cannot have their own government because they are Canadian, they give them too much control.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Osama was just killed under Obama's presidency. If people keep referring to that, he'll be consisered a god among presidents! Could have easily happened under Bush if they wanted.

 

[~Fallen Angel~]

Exactly!

 

[Keith]

Think there is a bit more to Obama's reign so far than that, for example his health care reform which has been deemed as very good for America.

 

[Ryan]

Deemed as very good for America by who? I beg to differ my friend.

 

[Chris]

Osama was just killed under Obama's presidency. If people keep referring to that, he'll be consisered a god among presidents! Could have easily happened under Bush if they wanted.

Of all people, you think BUSH didn't want Osama dead?

 

[Keith]

Deemed as very good for America by who? I beg to differ my friend.

Sure not that your biased or anything right?

 

[Chris]

Sure not that your biased or anything right?

As an educated American, would it not be just him forming an opinion considering he's actually affected by it?

 

[Keith]

As an educated American, would it not be just him forming an opinion considering he's actually affected by it?

Maybe, but its not like he put much if any reasoning behind it. I might be assuming a lot, but my overall impression as an outsider is that the health reform has been considered one of Obama's sucess stories so far, am I wrong?

People on the other side of the politican divide often struggle to see the good in a democrate.

 

[Chris]

Considering Ryan posted half a novel on how he thought George Bush was a bad president a page or so ago, I would think he would be one of the more tolerable conservatives on here.

 

[Deezy]

Is this still a thread?

I thought this was trolled to death 4 pages ago.

My country is better than yours, is the basis of this now.

 

[Keith]

Considering Ryan posted half a novel on how he thought George Bush was a bad president a page or so ago, I would think he would be one of the more tolerable conservatives on here.

Fair enough I guess, but I would like to hear his reasons for not liking the health bill.

To be fair deezy, there has been quite a lot of in depth poltical debate in this thread, agree there has been trolling too, but on the whole people have used reasoning.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Of all people, you think BUSH didn't want Osama dead?

I think you misread my post. I said Osama could have easily been killed during Bush's run, but because it happened during Obama's run, he's praised for it.