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seX-Power
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I actually wanna stay since i've spent so much time here, which is why i'm hoping the admins do the right thing for the forum and listen to what I said (and Quintastic). There are actually a few people here that aren't spammers that also can be a competent Admin, which Monk and his crew may not have been either, but Chaos is certainly not.
The way I see it a staff overhaul is in order. (Besides maybe Kilde, who's good at GFX.)
noumenon is still cool.
and stay in the BTB section bbz.
Wordlife
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OK:
Let me make this clear, because I've read pretty much everyone's concern here, and quite frankly, TQO has summed it up best, and I have to agree with him. We as staff have been handling things somewhat harshly, and we don't listen to the full effect on the forum by the member's standpoints. We threw your opinions to the side and forget about what your posts say or if they matter or not. I get that.
I totally respect each and every one of you for your concerns on this site and especially this thread. There has been a major over-haul on this forum, and I myself personally we've been going about it rather immensely. I feel as if we are striving for a perfect IWF, which is GOOD and all, but we might be going about it like fucking Nazis.
Personally, I do agree with all of you. I know it's not my forum, and not my decision, and I may have agreed to get rid of HIAT and whatnot, which is fine, but your opinions do matter and count towards a society here on IWF. Quite frankly, the more probable memberbase here that stands out is you guys, those who care about the forum, the sections, your posts, etc. You guys aren't spammers, aren't douchebags, aren't dickwadded e-bullies. I fully respect your opinions 100% and TQO I must say you nailed the member consensus with that post, and as a friend here to some of you, whether the others hate me or not, I apologize to everyone. It wasn't directly my fault, but I'd like to apologize to the memberbase here still left on the forum.
With that being said, rules are rules, and like in any place/society/etc around the world, rules are meant to be followed. Go along with your daily IWF lives, be active, be great posters as you already are. Stop your whining and bitching bout so and so being banned, or so and so being a legend. The more bitching and asskissing will get you nowhere. You may call me an "asskisser" but for the past 4 years dating back to 2006 when the forum had crashed, I had been an advent member, posting damn near EVERY day, putting in my ideas, creativity, fun, etc to this forum. After 4 years, its gotten me recognized and I'm now an S-Mod on the forum.
Just let this whole change blow over. Stop worrying about whether or not "the forum is being run by nazis" or more less "the forum isn't fun anymore" and just be yourself. Watch your trolling, spamming, etc. Be active and just let it be. Hell, maybe I'll be seeing you guys as legends or mods/admins on here someday.
Don't look at my post as something stupid and blah blah and you can care less. Your opinion matters to me, and I took this to heart, I'm dead serious. I thank all the members still here, somehow cooperating with us and the new staff, and I appreciate your concerns and efforts to help make IWF a better place. Over time, real real soon, it will turn for the better, I promise.
Let me make this clear, because I've read pretty much everyone's concern here, and quite frankly, TQO has summed it up best, and I have to agree with him. We as staff have been handling things somewhat harshly, and we don't listen to the full effect on the forum by the member's standpoints. We threw your opinions to the side and forget about what your posts say or if they matter or not. I get that.
I totally respect each and every one of you for your concerns on this site and especially this thread. There has been a major over-haul on this forum, and I myself personally we've been going about it rather immensely. I feel as if we are striving for a perfect IWF, which is GOOD and all, but we might be going about it like fucking Nazis.
Personally, I do agree with all of you. I know it's not my forum, and not my decision, and I may have agreed to get rid of HIAT and whatnot, which is fine, but your opinions do matter and count towards a society here on IWF. Quite frankly, the more probable memberbase here that stands out is you guys, those who care about the forum, the sections, your posts, etc. You guys aren't spammers, aren't douchebags, aren't dickwadded e-bullies. I fully respect your opinions 100% and TQO I must say you nailed the member consensus with that post, and as a friend here to some of you, whether the others hate me or not, I apologize to everyone. It wasn't directly my fault, but I'd like to apologize to the memberbase here still left on the forum.
With that being said, rules are rules, and like in any place/society/etc around the world, rules are meant to be followed. Go along with your daily IWF lives, be active, be great posters as you already are. Stop your whining and bitching bout so and so being banned, or so and so being a legend. The more bitching and asskissing will get you nowhere. You may call me an "asskisser" but for the past 4 years dating back to 2006 when the forum had crashed, I had been an advent member, posting damn near EVERY day, putting in my ideas, creativity, fun, etc to this forum. After 4 years, its gotten me recognized and I'm now an S-Mod on the forum.
Just let this whole change blow over. Stop worrying about whether or not "the forum is being run by nazis" or more less "the forum isn't fun anymore" and just be yourself. Watch your trolling, spamming, etc. Be active and just let it be. Hell, maybe I'll be seeing you guys as legends or mods/admins on here someday.
Don't look at my post as something stupid and blah blah and you can care less. Your opinion matters to me, and I took this to heart, I'm dead serious. I thank all the members still here, somehow cooperating with us and the new staff, and I appreciate your concerns and efforts to help make IWF a better place. Over time, real real soon, it will turn for the better, I promise.
It's rediculous the way things are going now. Seems like the only one's that like the changes are the one's that got some power, the ones that became legends, or the one's that got E-Bullied (which they brought upon themselves and only fed the guys to make it go on for longer than it needed to). There are good things that's being done like new skins, the short lived Casino... that's it. Everything else is my way or the highway. You speak your mind and you're out.
HiaT was brought back just to get rid of the spam in the other sections. What's the point of taking it away when we'll just be back at square one again? You have actual quality posters that are getting pissed off and when they ask about it, they don't get an answer. Much like this thread. You don't think it's a problem AT ALL when you have good members leaving? Questioning what's going on? The one's that stayed out of all the battles and feuds that went on? You don't see anything wrong with that?
The powers can't even follow their own rules. HiaT was a rule free zone, so why are people being penalized for stuff they did in there? They say no bad mouthing people yet are quick to say shut the fuck, fuck you, etc. Isn't that considered flaming? Shouldn't they be getting infractions? Banned? Or not on staff at all? The one's that say "lets just get back to posting about wrestling" aren't even doing it. Most of their post have nothing to do with wrestling. And these are the one's that are following the rules. They complain about how much spam and racial slurs were being used, but they were the one's contributing in it as well. The board is just full of hypocrisy.
HiaT was brought back just to get rid of the spam in the other sections. What's the point of taking it away when we'll just be back at square one again? You have actual quality posters that are getting pissed off and when they ask about it, they don't get an answer. Much like this thread. You don't think it's a problem AT ALL when you have good members leaving? Questioning what's going on? The one's that stayed out of all the battles and feuds that went on? You don't see anything wrong with that?
The powers can't even follow their own rules. HiaT was a rule free zone, so why are people being penalized for stuff they did in there? They say no bad mouthing people yet are quick to say shut the fuck, fuck you, etc. Isn't that considered flaming? Shouldn't they be getting infractions? Banned? Or not on staff at all? The one's that say "lets just get back to posting about wrestling" aren't even doing it. Most of their post have nothing to do with wrestling. And these are the one's that are following the rules. They complain about how much spam and racial slurs were being used, but they were the one's contributing in it as well. The board is just full of hypocrisy.
Solid Stinger the Big Boss
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Hometown Kid
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Come on, Alex. You can't just "TNA" everybody and say don't worry about the staff screwing their loyal memberbase over and just sit back and post like nothing is wrong because we're all cast members in their show. At this point I don't care about vendettas or HIAT, or the rules or anything. I really don't wanna see this place go up in flames because i've been here so long and I know things can be made right again.
It's not about being immature or your intelligence factor at this point. I'm basically sending a plea to everybody on this current staff whether it's Chaos, This Guy, Jmay, Thorza, whoever...put your egos aside and do the right thing for IWF and step down.
We can find new admins later and then we can let the forum sort the rest out and get even better than it used to be, and without the BS going on right now.
It's not about being immature or your intelligence factor at this point. I'm basically sending a plea to everybody on this current staff whether it's Chaos, This Guy, Jmay, Thorza, whoever...put your egos aside and do the right thing for IWF and step down.
We can find new admins later and then we can let the forum sort the rest out and get even better than it used to be, and without the BS going on right now.
seX-Power
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Axis
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I didn't even realize I was no longer a Legend. Not really a big deal, guys, so don't get upset about something that I don't even care about. I'm more concerned about this site continuing. I do not believe that you have to personally like a forum administration in order to coexist and function on siad forum (note: don't read that as me saying that I dislike this administration. That is not what I'm saying here). However, there needs to be a way for those that dissent from the administration to air their grievances.
I appreciate WORDLIFE stretching out the proverbial hand and trying to make some sort of ties to the other members in an attempt to smooth things over. That said, it can't simply be a case of "sorry we did that, let's move on." There's still the issue of HIAT being deleted and some posters being banned. Do we have a "right" to an explanation? No, we don't own this site; it's the private ownership of somebody who has designated others in charge. They can do whatever they please. However, it's ill-advisable and quite counter-productive. I think that if it is the intention of this administration to create a forum that flourishes with activity and diversity of posting style and personality, then a few explanation and, more importantly, open dialogue is necessary.
I appreciate WORDLIFE stretching out the proverbial hand and trying to make some sort of ties to the other members in an attempt to smooth things over. That said, it can't simply be a case of "sorry we did that, let's move on." There's still the issue of HIAT being deleted and some posters being banned. Do we have a "right" to an explanation? No, we don't own this site; it's the private ownership of somebody who has designated others in charge. They can do whatever they please. However, it's ill-advisable and quite counter-productive. I think that if it is the intention of this administration to create a forum that flourishes with activity and diversity of posting style and personality, then a few explanation and, more importantly, open dialogue is necessary.
Hometown Kid
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If i'm saying that I want what's best for the forum, it's pretty safe to say i'm staying. >_>
Wordlife
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Thank you Axis for appreciating my words and my attempt to reach out to the forum here (btw, why do you make my name so big??? LOL) :shifty:
What you need to understand is that you guys most try to cope with us and try abide by our reasoning and rules. Yes, at times, you won't like what we do, I understand that, but its for the better. Like getting rid of HIAT, yes, I understand its YOUR place to flame, spam, etc... but we got rid of it for the better of the forum, (i.e. Impact WRESTLING Forum... now Impact SPAM Forum)
What you need to understand is that you guys most try to cope with us and try abide by our reasoning and rules. Yes, at times, you won't like what we do, I understand that, but its for the better. Like getting rid of HIAT, yes, I understand its YOUR place to flame, spam, etc... but we got rid of it for the better of the forum, (i.e. Impact WRESTLING Forum... now Impact SPAM Forum)
seX-Power
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People are leaving. That's not doing anything to better the forum. I already said too, that the wrestling discussion was still perfectly active all this time. HIAT is what separates this place from other boring, shitty forums like WF and WCF. And now it's gone and a lot of the cooler members are too, so what does it leave this place?
Wordlife
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People need to stop taking their sudden judgments and give this place a chance?
Like: "oh HIAT is gone? I'm gone!"
You came to a forum to spam? WTF is your point? There is none, granted yes, there are a few great members leaving cause of it, but why is their judgments so sudden?
Like: "oh HIAT is gone? I'm gone!"
You came to a forum to spam? WTF is your point? There is none, granted yes, there are a few great members leaving cause of it, but why is their judgments so sudden?
seX-Power
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Come on, now. Wrestling discussion is good but HIAT is what separated this wrestling forum from others in terms of entertainment. People are leaving are going to a place where it is like how IWF was when MS was admin. People liked it like that, despite what all the new management seem to think.
Axis
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I'm sorry, but I just do not subscribe to the philosophy of "trust us, it's for the better." It's acceptable when it's a parent talking to a child, yes, but I hope that the staff thinks of us posters as more than just your children that you create rules for that we should blindly follow. We are adults too (well, some of us), and we also know what we like and dislike, and I think that those opinions should be shared and taken into account before huge decisions are made. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.
In regards to the Hell in a Thread forum, here is where I think you all made your mistake: nobody was forced to go to HIAT. If somebody felt as though they were being bullied, they did not have to click on the link. Them not clicking the link does not hinder their forum experience. If "bullying" was allowed in every corner of the forum, then yes, it would hinder posters' experiences. But that was not the case. It was entirely secluded, and so only those that chose by their own will to be a part of it were effected by it.
I know you guys like the line that "it's a wrestling forum and not a spam forum," but it just doesn't make too much sense in the grand scheme of things. I'm not even going to go in detail about the fact that we also have Entertainment, Music, Sports, Graphics, etc. forums; that flaw in your logic is obvious. What's important to note, though, is that most (if not, all) of the "spam" posters were also valuable wrestling posters. I'm a perfect example. I point out that LKP is ugly in HIAT, but then I go to the wrestling forums and contribute substantive discussion. Beer does the same with BTB, and Peep, Kizza, Lady Hotrod, and TBKB contribute tons to the wrestling forums. My point is that there was pretty much no such as a purely "spam" poster. HIAT was a forum for wrestling posters to kick back and have a good time in an environment that they felt comfortable. If HIAT was full of people that never contributed to IWF elsewhere, then you would have a point. But that was not the case. By removing HIAT, you also removed a good chunk of membership that enjoyed both parts of the site.
This is exactly where you missed the huge point. Nobody came to the forum to spam. They came to the forum for wrestling, and they also enjoyed the laid back atmosphere of a rules-free forum.
In regards to the Hell in a Thread forum, here is where I think you all made your mistake: nobody was forced to go to HIAT. If somebody felt as though they were being bullied, they did not have to click on the link. Them not clicking the link does not hinder their forum experience. If "bullying" was allowed in every corner of the forum, then yes, it would hinder posters' experiences. But that was not the case. It was entirely secluded, and so only those that chose by their own will to be a part of it were effected by it.
I know you guys like the line that "it's a wrestling forum and not a spam forum," but it just doesn't make too much sense in the grand scheme of things. I'm not even going to go in detail about the fact that we also have Entertainment, Music, Sports, Graphics, etc. forums; that flaw in your logic is obvious. What's important to note, though, is that most (if not, all) of the "spam" posters were also valuable wrestling posters. I'm a perfect example. I point out that LKP is ugly in HIAT, but then I go to the wrestling forums and contribute substantive discussion. Beer does the same with BTB, and Peep, Kizza, Lady Hotrod, and TBKB contribute tons to the wrestling forums. My point is that there was pretty much no such as a purely "spam" poster. HIAT was a forum for wrestling posters to kick back and have a good time in an environment that they felt comfortable. If HIAT was full of people that never contributed to IWF elsewhere, then you would have a point. But that was not the case. By removing HIAT, you also removed a good chunk of membership that enjoyed both parts of the site.
This is exactly where you missed the huge point. Nobody came to the forum to spam. They came to the forum for wrestling, and they also enjoyed the laid back atmosphere of a rules-free forum.
Simply the people who lost their all so precious legend status were not acting like a legend should act. The ones that were taken away were NOT banned, given an infraction or anything like that. They didn't break a rule, they just showed how disrespectful they could be with their maturity level and bullying of others. A person with a legend title should treat other members with respect, simply be a model member of the forum. Similar to 3lions if I may drop a name.
The HIAT was just promoting other members to get into trouble and arguments and be assholes to each other which this message board is going to continue to distance itself from. Treat others with respect and dignity and honestly if people do not like the fact that the forum isn't going to encourage other people to get into fights and be destructive then this isn't the place for you.
The HIAT was just promoting other members to get into trouble and arguments and be assholes to each other which this message board is going to continue to distance itself from. Treat others with respect and dignity and honestly if people do not like the fact that the forum isn't going to encourage other people to get into fights and be destructive then this isn't the place for you.