Cena > Hart

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With all due respect, Bret Hart is better than Cena in general. As several people mentioned; wrestling skills, pure generic gimmick for Bret Hart. Cena is just a copy of The Rock. He is trying to be like The Rock which will never happen. Why? Because The Rock was the one who had that gimmick and he is the Golden Mic Man. But Cena is just a ripoff of The Rock. Thats bad. If they kept him as that thug heel gimmick, it would have been much better for him and to stay as unique. But after the way they are trying to make Cena to, he lost all credability and therefore degrades his ratings in my eyes.

Cena is not bad at all, but he is not better than Hart. End of story.
 

CenaMark54

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Ok, comparing these two mega stars from different times is the stupidest thing a person can do..
Wrestling is much more popular now when Cena is wrestling then it was when the Hitman was in the ring. So there’s the end to the ratings theory.. and plus it is advertised much better now then it was before. So stop comparing them… its pointless.

What would explain the popularity before Hart started to Main Event.

I like Hart and all, he is in my all time top ten. But there is a strong correlation between Hart's main event run and decreased popularity in the WWE.

You can probably make the same arguement for Cena taking the top spot after the Attitude Era, but it does not correlate as well. There were several really bad years, with declining everything, before Cena came along with some other young talent to stop the bleeding.
 
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You don't know shit about my logic... I've not ONCE engaged with you on this subject, dumbass... Regardless, I'm not hating, I'm just sat around, chillin', laughing at you cos you're acting like a pre-school child!


Carry on... I'm having fun seeing you destroyed! :y:


p.s. Congratulations on your 'cunnigly' creating another I.D. to back yourself up....

What's up? Your "logic" that you refer to not strong enough to go it alone?

Correct, i don't know shit about your logic, but accusing i am as smart as a 5 year old is some dumb shit. You did engage me, tho... Not about this subject but you obviously were trying to start something like an idiot. I am not acting like a pre-school child, when J-DAWG sends me a pic of a penis... Now in my mind... That's immature and he needs to grow up along with you. I am not getting destroyed, matter of fact it's like what 3 against 1 and i basically won the debate, with people sending penis's, people talking about my name, and totally neglecting the facts i showed... The facts i showed are proof, so everyone here who is against me when i say Hart > Cena, lost the debate.

The I.D. thing was sorted out. Chain gang soilders and i had a simular IP and we Talked to This Guy and got everything sorted out. So thats not great logic if you don't know the whole story...

My logic, won the god damn debate so i don't know why people keep on saying Cena is better, look at the fucking proof i showed. You guys can keep on talking and talking but nothing changes the fact that Hart is better...
 

CenaMark54

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^^You haven't shown any proof. You saying Cena sucks, then showing a list of awards given out by some magazine proves nothing.
 

Travis40

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It sure proves that Hart is better becuase some geeks who write a wrestling magazine said so. EVERY stat that you have listed is fucking kayfabe. All of those titles are kayfabe, and those 5* match ratings are stupid...it's a wrestling magazine....
 
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Well the same shit CenaMark or who ever listed kayfabe shit to. Enough is enough, i don't care anymore, i know Hart is better so i am done. Don't call me out anymore. If you think Cena is better then i don't care, opinions are opinions and no one can change them.
 

Airfixx

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^^^You just don't get it do you?

Kayfaybe (see your 'achievements' list)= Storyline stuff. i.e. not real.

Ratings and PPV buys (see Cenamark's lists) = Tangiable evidence of a wrestler's drawing power.
 

THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps

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Alright, so this is kind of Blue. I mean, we have a moron who createst two accounts because no one thinks his points are valid, arguing with someone presenting facts. Anyway, I doubt the moron will read my post (since you know, he doesn't speak teh Engrish NURR), but here it goes anyway.

Wrestling

Bret is better than Cena ... just. Bret has produced some great matches, that is a given. But you have to remember, those great matches were more than ten years into his career. Cena has only been wrestling for eight. And he has still put on some great matches that are almost as good as some of Hart's. Cena and Edge have had some absolute classics, including the TLC match at Unforgiven. Your argument that ZOMG CENA IS TEH WORST has nothing backing it up.

Before, you went down the SmackDown! vs Raw stats. WOW! That really proves a point. Because submissions are absolutely crucial to having a good match. As is speed. Chris Jericho is an average wrestler in all aspects, yet he is balanced and has great matches. You don't need to have the best strength, submissions nor technical ability. That does not make a great match.

Charisma

This one is no contest at all. Cena blows Hart out of the water. Hart was nowhere near. Have you ever seen the Bret Hart DVD? I take it as you haven't, because he himself said that he wore the sunglasses because he was uncomfortable in front of a camera. That doesn't exactly scream charisma, now does it? Cena meanwhile has great mannerisms, is a confident guy and just screams charisma.

Mic Skills

Once again, cena blows Hart out of the water. Cena knows when to change his tone, when to get serious, and when to pull the crowd into a promo. Hart had none of those qualities. Cena is the best promo man in the WWE, and he would damn near be the best of all time. When you're watching a Cena promo, you hang onto every word that comes out of his mouth.

Fanbase

This is quite possibly one of your most Blue arguments. You say you see a lot of adults wearing Bret Hart shirts these days, because Hart was over with the adults. Well guess what: in today's world, people age! That's tight, it is more than likely they WERE KIDS back when Hart was wrestling. So he was catering to the kids of that era. I don't know how you could overlook something like this, but apparently, you aren't vvery bright at all.

You then come in with the argument that Cena sucks, because the crowd boo him. Which makes no sense. If Cena sucked, the crowd would be completely indifferent to him. Cena is awesome, because he pulls a reaction out of the crowd. Something someone like you could never do. You ay you are just like Austin Aries, eyt Cena is much better than Aries a whole package. Cena can draw, cena naturally gets a reaction. Aries i a great wrestler, yet Cena is, and always will be better. Aries will never do what Cena has done for the business, and it seems that you really have no point here.

Cena is a bigger draw than Hart too. CenaMark produced facts. What did you do? You jumped up and down and said 'BRET HART IS BETTER!' No facts backing it up. If you call kayfabe titles and magazine awards from a twenty year career compared to a decent amount of kayfabe titles and magazine awards from a eight year career evidence, you are as dumb a whatever the hell you came out of.

Moveset

This one astounds me. You have a vid where Cena botches moves, then say that this is why he is shit. Guess what: BRET HART BOTCHED MOVES IN HIS CAREER TOO! SO DOES AUSTIN ARIES! EVERYONE MAKES THE OCCASIONAL MISTAKE! You then go onto say you can do the moves that Cena botches. Well, the funny thing is, I have never seen you do it. Hell, I bet you botch when you try.

You may claim to already be a better wrestler than Cena, but I am sure you will never be. Call me in ten years when you are about the age Cena is now, and tell me how many people came to the WrestleMania's that you main evented. I'll be waiting your response.

IMO, Cena is just better than Hart. And I have evidence to back my argument up. Am I right? Maybe, maybe not. In my mind I am, because I have real evidence to back it up. Unlike your argument, where you have nothing.

Thank you for taking the time to not read my response. I look forward to seeing your Blue response.

Yours truly,

BKB
 

Moonlight Drive

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ROFL

But this argument has disentigrated into the level of stupidity. Hart was IMMACULATE in the ring, he did botch, but hardly ever. Cena does botch occassionally as does everybody as BKB said

In my personal opinion, I'd take a Bret match over a Cena match anyday. BUT Cena is much better on the stick than the Hitman. And isn't the idea of a business, which wrestling is, to attract more money? Don;t you do that with fans? And shouldn't your targets be kids, you're not going to have your old Attitude Era fans forever

Hart is better in the ring, but no doubt that Cena is a better package overall
 

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Re: BKBs's post....

Why do I get the feeling that pretty much NONE of that will sink in and the reply, when it comes, will at least once take an aggitated/impatient/aggressive tone?
 

THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps

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I get the same feeling too, thus the little closing I put in. The fact is, that while Hart may be better than Cena, he can never back it up with any concrete evidence. And I am certain that he won't against me either. I'll be lucky if he takes the time out of his 'precisous life' to read either of my posts in the thread.

I honestly don't care if he just tries to attack me in a flaming way. Because his material is weak as shit.

I know that I put a response in that I feel is right, and whether or not he reads it, it doesn't really matter.
 

This Guy

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I agree with BKB's arguement, and I agree because I'm speaking as one of those Bret Hart fans as a kid. I liked Bret Hart he was definatly my favourite. And although I don't hate Cena, I could take or leave him, but BKB's arguements are right on the nose. Cena is way more over then Hart ever was. Cena has had some classics already, he could exceed Hart one day in that aspect. And Bret was over no doubt, and had some good promos, but he was never able to hold the crowd in the palm of his hands the way guys like Hogan, Austin, The Rock & John Cena do. And thats just a fact.

Cena greater then Hart? In most ways that matter yes. (and that pains me to say it) On pure technical wrestling skill? No.
 
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Once again, BKB, that wasn't my profile. I went through this already please shut up. Everyone stop calling me out...

I used kayfabe cause CenaMark used it. I had facts before that as well but no one seems to read all of it. Im not repeating myself cause i hate doing that so... No more calling me out, no one has won this debate, period.

No more saying Chain gang soilder is the same guy, seriously... He ISNT. The IP adresses where simular. Matter of fact he's still on this site...


I'm done cause i obviously stated many many facts but you Cena marks are pathetic enough as to PM me with a dick in it? and not to mention after all my facts lots of you started talking shit about my name which is a sign of you guys losing the debate. After that happen more people came... I'm done repeating myself and having some losers do shit completely pathetic(not BKB, This Guy, or some others).
 

CenaMark54

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^^^Stop bullshitting. I havn't mentioned anything in kayfabe.

I gave you a page long post of PPV buyrates to back up my argument.

You, on the other hand, posted stuff from a magazine written by some loser with nothing better to do then subjectively give out awards.

You also used title reigns to back up your claims. How is any of that relevant? HHH has had more title reigns than Austin. Does that make him better?