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pretty fine line too because really the US should concede nothing and neither should Ukraine (from their pov). Russia also is too all in to give up at this point outside of Putin getting an unfortunate fall from a tall building. its gonna be tighter sanctions and better weapons at a slow rate especially since Russia is losing ground. I don't really expect the US to escalate at all here
i mean hey, im not fucking opposed to that but i think there is no appetite in the us for that atmHayterade said:At this point I’d threaten military engagement but what do I know I’m just a Neocon.
pretty fine line too because really the US should concede nothing and neither should Ukraine (from their pov). Russia also is too all in to give up at this point outside of Putin getting an unfortunate fall from a tall building. its gonna be tighter sanctions and better weapons at a slow rate especially since Russia is losing ground. I don't really expect the US to escalate at all here
I dont think the US actually wants to negotiate outside their own terms, is more what im saying. hence why its all posturingHayterade said:Outside of a threat though if you’re really trying to negotiate an end to the conflict the US is going to have to offer them something so I don’t know what.
Cede Russian territories in Georgia and Ukraine, a treaty not to attack either lands for 70 yesrs and we'll end several sanctions and in fact offer cash considerations and a non-aggression pact indefinitely.and like what negations are there really to have if we are being honest. stop attacking ukraine. no. k bye
i mean hey, im not fucking opposed to that but i think there is no appetite in the us for that atm
id have entered the war the second they invaded crimea too
I think if you are the strongest military in the world and another country straight up invades sovereign land, yeah you should probably do something about it with impunitySame. I’d be the fuck around find out President.
yeah I mean the only thing US is going to offer is to relieve sanctions, they'll never agree to recognize sovereign ukraine land as russian, im going to assume that is a complete non starter for USA. But ya sure I mean I think it's a given sanctions will be lifted if they fucked off. they just dont want to fuck off
yeah and NATO is going to get bigger not smaller. Russia, ironically, made sure of thatThe US absolutely won’t concede Ukraine nor should they but I definitely think sanctions would be a start and then I think the other issue would be NATO. They will probably have to do some thing to downsize NATO possibly kick out those in the neighboring states etc.