The 2024 United States Presidential Election Thread

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I feel Grant often doesn’t get the credit that he is due because he was left a mess. That was Johnson’s administration prior to the impeachment and he wasn’t able to save reconstruction, but the man made it a priority, and he tried his best and like I said before, the man crushed the Ku Klux Klan.
Grant should have outright won a third term as President if it wasn't for the scandals that happened that were kind of out of his control
 

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But heavily agree with this. I don't even care that he was popular compared to Adams and Clay, he was arguably a worst decision than either guy. Nobody should ever be celebrating a genocidal asshole notorious for being a massive dickhead to everyone around him, including Northern white people.
I was always amazed when I learned that historians used to like Jackson until recently because even if you didn’t personally see a problem with a lot of his more controversial, and let’s just say racist policies, the man straight up, unconstitutionally, defied the Supreme Court in enacting a lot of it. That’s a terrible leader.
 

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As another aside for Presidencies, James Garfield was such a missed opportunity all because a delusional twat thought he was owed a job.
 

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I was always amazed when I learned that historians used to like Jackson until recently because even if you didn’t personally see a problem with a lot of his more controversial, and let’s just say racist policies, the man straight up, unconstitutionally, defied the Supreme Court in enacting a lot of it. That’s a terrible leader.
I think it does have a lot to do with American culture finally admitting that what they did to the Natives was horrendous and starting to make reparations towards that period of time, and a lot of modern historians not being outright racist towards Native Americans. :draper2
 

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Trump still wants to do eight years surely he would want to do one and either have Ivana and Jarred as his picks as he's 78, he's gonna be 86 that's bad craic if he's aloud too.

Is The Rock a Dem??
 

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Trump still wants to do eight years surely he would want to do one and either have Ivana and Jarred as his picks as he's 78, he's gonna be 86 that's bad craic if he's aloud too.

Is The Rock a Dem??
He only gets 4 more years. How many times do you have to be told this?
 

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Is this some kind of new hindsight fallacy I've never heard of :lol what is this logic that American citizens automatically know who's bad.

"Trump can't be Hitler bc he was elected"

"Hitler was elected"

"Yes but in hindsight he wouldn't have been"

Am I losing braincells here?

Also dismissing trans issues to "wanting genderless bathroom" would be like the racists that still to this day dismiss the civil rights movement as only being about "water fountains and bus seats". I'm sure this point will be ignored or it will be hand waived away as "not true" despite southern conservatives saying literally that exact line every year around MLK day. "Im privileged and don't interact with racists everyday so they don't exist to me" is so tiring.

Also didn't have time to do any thesaurus editing to sound smarter. Hindsight didn't tell me to

Reading comprehension, please.

Genuinely put aside the hateful bullshit where you immediately have to discredit anyone who has a thought different to yours.

Here's what I said; it is not about the fact that they were elected. It has nothing at all to do with that. It's about what Hitler did. If in hindsight, knowing what we know, knowing the true unfathomable scale of pure EVIL that Hitler was about to unleash. The horrific level of evil he was going to set out upon the World, would you not refuse to hand power over to him and the Nazi's? In hindsight does the fact that Hitler is one of the worst human beings to ever exist, and the Nazi party was pure evil and did not benefit a single human being in any way, shape or form not disqualify them from being granted power?

If you agree with the idea that Hitler should not have been given power (surely we all do, surely no one genuinely believes that because he was voted in that he had to be handed power and allowed to do what he did?), and Trump is supposedly Hitler 2.0, then surely power should not be handed over to him?

I'll ask that again, do we all agree in hindsight that power should never have been handed over to Hitler? That in hindsight we would stop him from being put in a position to do what he did? Or does the idea of democracy trump that and mean that no matter how evil someone is, if they're voted in they have to be allowed in?

Because to me, if Trump is truly Hitler even just to a degree, and is going to swoop in and take away everyone's rights, and all the other shit that the divisionists, and the status quo machine say then power shouldn't be transferred to him. Right? If he is Hitler reborn, why would you let that play out upon the World again? If he is truly as evil as claimed, why would you happily and peacefully hand over power to him?

So to answer your question; yes you are losing brain cells. Because you entirely missed everything I actually wrote and made up your own narrative to suit your agenda. You didn't have the ability to read what is in front of you and comprehend it, you spun it all off into a point that suits your thought processes better.

The point about genderless bathrooms, is that they're the most obvious change, right? They're the thing that would intersect with most peoples day to day life the most. Of course there's more to it than that, there's more layers to it. But genderless bathrooms, identifying as whatever you want, abortions whenever you want are the things that would ring loudest out into the World. Like for example, to use your example; water fountains and bus seats. It was those things, those prevalent in day to day life things that rung out that the World has changed to the people outside of that group of people, outside of African-Americans. Its what people saw. Its what shocked them when it happened. Its those those small things that can ring out.

You're outraged over nothing. You're outraged because you want to be outraged. Because you're trained to be hateful and divisive, you're trained to see nothing but evil in any opinion that doesn't exactly mirror yours.


Honestly, it's hard to really feel bad for Hispanic/Latino voters in this case because they voted overwhelmingly for Trump, who promised that he was going to commit to mass deportation. They made their bed, now they're gonna lie in it when they realized Trump was talking about them.

You know there's a difference between legal and illegal immigration right?

You know that?

Literally no one in the World is calling for the deportation of all immigrants. The closest you'd come is devout Islamic countries operating under the most extremes of Sharia Law. But even they're not calling for deportation of all immigrants.

It's illegal immigrants. Its people who come into the country and don't pay any tax (don't you guys really hate people who don't pay tax?), people who sneak in unvetted.

This is a prime example of why people are so divided thesedays. If someone calls for the deportation of illegal immigrants, the response is to act like they're calling for the deportation of all immigrants.

nah your dog whistles were loud and clear buddy, you can wrap yourself in all the faux intellectualism you want, you're still an asshole

And you can wrap yourself in all the faux intellectualism, faux outrage, and undeserved faux righteousness all you want. You're still the problem here, you still have no reading comprehension skills, you're still a hateful, toxic person who jumps to assumptions you're trained to have rather than reading the words in front of you.

I'll lay my points out with as few words as possible.

1) War mongering is bad, and celebrating war mongers is so wrong.
2) Celebrity worship is stupid, and voting based on who Beyonce tells you to vote for is stupid.
3)There are issues that affect everyone, and issues that affect some people. We need to fix the issues that affect everyone. Fixing those issues benefits everyone.
4) Hitler should never have been given power, and if Trump is Hitler as so many claim, why would you hand power over to him?
 

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He only gets 4 more years. How many times do you have to be told this?

FDR done it from 1922-1945 so it can be done if the president wants too. You don't have to tell me nothing. I've got an Open University degree in sociology and just like you said I'd have to wait three months for a name change as well . There's no need to be abrupt blaze.
 

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I'm going off what trump says not what I think or have thoughts on.

Jeez blaze no need for the disharmony
 

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Yes, but his point is, we're wrong and none of the things he's done were bad and if they were then he certainly wouldn't be voted into office. America does not elect bad people, silly Looch

Thats not my point at all. My point is that if Trump is Hitler as claimed he shouldn't be allowed into power. if Trump is Hitler as claimed, then power wouldn't be handed over to him. We've seen what Hitler did, if Trump is Hitler we know what comes next. Why would the government allow that to happen if he is Hitler?

Anyone with any degree of reading comprehension or honestly should understand that. Its not hard to figure out what I said when I have reiterated the same point repeatedly for people like you in the desperate hope you'll drop the bullshit and genuinely read the words in front of you.
 

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Thats not my point at all. My point is that if Trump is Hitler as claimed he shouldn't be allowed into power. if Trump is Hitler as claimed, then power wouldn't be handed over to him. We've seen what Hitler did, if Trump is Hitler we know what comes next. Why would the government allow that to happen if he is Hitler?

Anyone with any degree of reading comprehension or honestly should understand that. Its not hard to figure out what I said when I have reiterated the same point repeatedly for people like you in the desperate hope you'll drop the bullshit and genuinely read the words in front of you.

I get what you're saying. But back then we didn't know what evil lay under that nasty anti Semitic real intentions. It's one of the reasons even though his health was in decline FDR stayed on again to try to keep The Japanese and Nazis at bay along with The UK . I mean the size of France went in six weeks the size of the french army should of easy been able to kept the Nazis at bay . The sight of Hitler next to the Eiffel tower still gives me chills.
 

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FDR done it from 1922-1945 so it can be done if the president wants too. You don't have to tell me nothing. I've got an Open University degree in sociology and just like you said I'd have to wait three months for a name change as well . There's no need to be abrupt blaze.
This was before it was changed to two terms.. 22nd amendment..
And where have I mentioned 8 years here ?
Uh…
Trump still wants to do eight years surely he would want to do one and either have Ivana and Jarred as his picks as he's 78, he's gonna be 86 that's bad craic if he's aloud too.

Is The Rock a Dem??
Saying he gonna be 86, that’s 8 years from now..
 

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i only said he was legally elected into office, which he was (just not as head of state) - he was then legally transferred power like you said. which kills this dingus's argument more. not only was elected, they then willfully gave him the keys to the entire kingdom.

his entire point was well that would not happen today. Which again is willful ignorance - the cheques and balances have already been trampled on with stacking the courts, so thats one arm down. they hold both the house , the senate and the presidency. the other cherques and balances are essentially good will and hoping people act in good faith.

I think it's fucking insane NOT to be even a bit worried. it's like how much of your head in the sand can you be.

I can certainly understand the not feeling represented argument by a vast majority of center left and center right voters. I'm one of them and I imagine the large silent majority is as well. But the Reblician playbook has been open and obvious and more importantly in your face for like two decades now...and people are still gaslighting us telling us we are overeacting. like fuck me man are they gonna have to take your friends and family away for you (not you, people in general) to wake the fuck up and see that this also is not the solution to this broken ass planet

No thats not my entire point. My point if any of you possessed the slightest modicum of reading comprehension is that if Trump is truly Hitler why would we allow him into power? Knowing what Hitler did, and if Trump is Hitler why would anyone hand power over to him? Why would the good guys, champions of light and love Democrats hand power over to Hitler?

Again, knowing what we know, would we not surely refuse to hand power over to Hitler? Or do we just let him do what he did?

How do you guys not understand this? I hate trotting out the cliches and the buzzwords but you guys lean into it so much; brainwashed, cult think, hive mind. You guys all demand this echo chamber and if a single thought outside of that chamber comes along you cant even process it, you spin it to suit your agenda and try and gaslight me or whoever into thinking I've written something other than what I have.
 

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@ETE We won't find out what trump really has in-store as I don't know much about project 2025 but he's on about dismantling the deep state. His party is part of the deep state i watched a really interesting documentary about it and it's like georgian town houses next to capitol hill. Kissinger forgive if I'm wrong wasn't he a republican .

Trump is delusional and for the real power players whom we never hear about let this happen should feel fucking ashamed but they don't as it's not what you know but who you know . I'm reading Owen Jones THE ESTABLISHMENT about the UK version of this and it's quite frightening in all sincerity
This was before it was changed to two terms.. 22nd amendment..

Uh…

Saying he gonna be 86, that’s 8 years from now..

It can still be changed if Trump wants he has all the power now and as a social democratic voter I find this sad.

Yeah you got me with the 8 I'll give you that . When I'm wrong I'll admit there and then sir.