The 2024 United States Presidential Election Thread

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As an aside, I highly recommend people watch Once Upon a Time in America at least once, it's probably Leone's most beautifully shot film, and Morricone's best soundtrack, bar-fucking-none.

 
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It's also like fucking 4 hours bro I don't care if it's not silent you gotta throw a disclaimer on there. Great film tho yeah
 

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Yeah lol which is why I said watch it at least once :heston
 

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If you watch it in like hour blocks like a 4 episode mini series it's like the best one of those ever tbh

I also feel that way about gone with the wind
 
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Yeah ngl I actually have no problem watching OUATIA in one sitting, but Gone With The Wind is fucking terrrrrrible for me lmao
 

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I watched a 5 hour long Bollywood movie once and since then as long as I'm in my own home and have the time, I'm good with anything
 
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The daughters of the confederacy didn’t just erect the statues. They were the architects of the lost cause mythology. While certain pieces of what would become the narrative would start to form immediately in the aftermath of the Civil War, it wasn’t really until the daughters of the Confederacy started retelling the southern side of the war, that the entire picture of the loss cause really shaped in its current form, and was pushed out to the public, including efforts to get schools to teach it and put it in the history books.

The damage done by the daughters of the confederacy really can’t be overstated. We tend to think of the Ku Klux Klan as this unending thing which is going to perpetually exist in perpetuity, when in reality President Grant actually hunted them down into extinction in the decades following the Civil War. The Klan was all dead by the time the daughters began erecting confederate statues and teaching lost cause mythology. Unfortunately, the newfound fervor for this revisionist history led to the filming of the birth of a nation, and because a white nationalist happened to be elected President of the United States at the time, he decided to screen the movie at the White House and this effectively lead to the rebirth of the Ku Klux Klan in its most popular era, where it reached upwards of 3 million or more members. With different branches and chapters in various states.

The numbers today are barely anything to really worry about compared to back in the heyday but it’s honestly pretty sad that the daughters of the Confederacy couldn’t leave well enough alone and the Ku Klux Klan could’ve just been a thing that only existed in the 1800s.

Now, of course racism was still going to be something that we were gonna be dealing with no matter what, but the thing is so many lives didn’t have to be lost due to the Klan itself during the fight for civil rights. All because southern, women, interestingly enough, didn’t want history to remember their fathers and grandfathers as the villains.
 
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It goes to show the power of the media. Both as news, the lost cause mythology, and as entertainment, Birth of a Nation, to shape the hearts and minds of society. That’s why it can be dangerous to let media go unchecked. There’s immense responsibility to running the narrative.
 

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By the way, fuck Woodrow Wilson.

That's my worst POTUS of all time.
 
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Bottom five (not including the Orange Asshole): A. Johnson, Wilson, Jackson, Pierce, and Buchanan
 
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Jackson is a strong contender.
 
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Johnson coming right after Lincoln was so unfortunate.

If we had to lose Lincoln, getting Grant in next would have possibly salvaged reconstruction, but instead we got an Andrew in between.
 
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Johnson coming right after Lincoln was so unfortunate.

If we had to lose Lincoln, getting Grant in next would have possibly salvaged reconstruction, but instead we got an Andrew in between.
A legitimate hot-take but if Stephen Douglas was the Vice President, Reconstruction would have been a million times better too.
 
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Jackson is a strong contender.
But heavily agree with this. I don't even care that he was popular compared to Adams and Clay, he was arguably a worst decision than either guy. Nobody should ever be celebrating a genocidal asshole notorious for being a massive dickhead to everyone around him, including Northern white people.
 
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I feel Grant often doesn’t get the credit that he is due because he was left a mess. That was Johnson’s administration prior to the impeachment and he wasn’t able to save reconstruction, but the man made it a priority, and he tried his best and like I said before, the man crushed the Ku Klux Klan.
 
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