Roman Reigns being rejected

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Bray is overweight but he uses it well. Mankind was called fat too, spoke well, and reminds me of Bray. Obviously Mick has that hardcore edge that separates him.
I wouldn't change Bray Wyatt's look or gimmick for anything. He's a pure breath of fresh air.
For a while, everybody looked like Cena: Evan Bourne, Tyson Kidd, Orton, DiBiase, Rhodes.
The clean shaven, crew cut with six abs is dramatically over done.

We have long haired stars, a fat superstar and a short guy who hasn't seen a pair of scissors in 4 years. I enjoy the majority of what WWE is doing right now in regards to 'the look' these days.
 
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^That's really it, D'Z. There's really no Roman Reigns hate, he's sadly become symbolic of WWE's booking.

He's a symbol of the WWE Front Office thinking they know better than the fans. He's a symbol of Vince thinking 1980's booking still works in 2013. He's the clear "chosen one"... and that's the last thing a fanbase who know has a reason to believe that their voice matters wants to hear. Joe Anoa'i is just an innocent bystander in the whole charade.

Shoot, WWE wrote an entire storyline about this very thing, it's called The Authority. They screwed Bryan out of the title to give the title to the hand-picked "chosen one", Randy Orton, because he looks good on billboards and draws and "they know more than the fans do". And it really did work to perfection in the end, it got Daniel Bryan and Triple H insanely over. Don't see why they're clearly doing it in real life while the fans see right through it, that was why the angle worked and this doesn't.

So much of it is adversity, kayfabe or otherwise. Fans love an underdog. That's why Daniel Bryan is so over - he's fun to watch, but he's spent the last year with a legit injury losing the title that he and the fans worked so hard to obtain. Then he comes back and has a ready-made redemption story. See also: Dolph Ziggler, who just got screwed over by the Authority on top of all the times he's delivered in the ring and got jack shit to show for it. With Roman Reigns, he comes back from a hernia and says "I'm winning the Rumble, buhlee dat". Where's the story? Where's the emotional investment? It's what makes this whole thing so see-through. (which is sad since we all called this in June and were happy with the idea then)

There's the matches and promos factor, but really, that should be easily correctable. Shit we saw Brock hit 187 suplexes and we all loved it, why should Reigns be criticized for his "3 moves"? And his promos usually ooze coolness and the "it factor" you talked about. It's not like this dude is Lex Luger at all, the guy's one hell of an athlete and has SO MUCH going for him.
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I'm just going to take this thread back a bit. But lets say that Daniel Bryan won the Rumble match, would you have him beat Brock Lesnar?

The mark in me says... Yes, I would. Whether it'd be a regular, extreme rules, a triple threat or a fatal four way match. Then I'd have Rollins cash in on him that same night.

But who's to say he would have to win against Brock? I'd just have Rollins cash in on Brock or whoever winds up the champ at Mania, regardless.
 

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DB beating brock Kayfabe is not that unbelievable. Since we were arguing how Reigns has been booked in good events/situations. It's fair to say a submission/technical wrestler who took out evolution in one night is believable
 
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Why are we all arguing what's "believable" in the realm of professional wrestling??? In WWE, not reality, DB is probably the only guy who can overcome Brock. How is that not believable?? Lol
 

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if Ziggler was facing HHH D'z would be shitting on the DB repeat from last year minus the belt. None of you fuckers better mark when Bray vs Taker is awesome, because so many people bandwagon so hard on this site. The fact is anyone who faces Orton or DB is going to get buried, CM Punk isn't coming back, and Sheamus is going to likely crush a face on his return.

Really though I could be wrong, but ffs....Yes Reigns is going to win, Lesnar is leaving and we all know it. Sting is going over HHH, he is paid 6 appearances and isn't going to face Kane at WM. Bray Wyatt was >>>>> Reigns in the rumble, what the fuck does fat have to do with him being quality. "Oh he was buried by Cena, DONT LET HIM GO OVER THE UNDERTAKER!!!!!" Christ.
 

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It doesnt matter how Reigns was booked in the shield. Since leaving his matches are pretty vanillia, followed by and injury(during which point he took acting classes) His first promo was terrible, following week he said a nursery rhyme. He is supposed to be a badass, but do you believe it? His singles career is the worst of the 3 in every aspect besides the rocket shoved up his ass.

It doesn't matter though, he is the guy.

Believe that

Historically speaking, if the fans are 'into' a superstar enough, they'll usually eat up almost anything that person does in the ring, even if it's mostly just basic punches and kicks. See Batista for reference. Or Stone Cold for that matter. It seems to me almost every one of Reigns' matches since The Shield ended have gotten a ton of positive reception from the crowd.

And to be fair, is Daniel Bryan's basic move-set in WWE any better or more extensive than Reigns'? I know Bryan has a whole long list of moves and submission maneuvers in his repertoire that we don't ever get to see on display (although for all we know, the same might be true of Reigns, too, albeit to a considerable less extent), but if you look at the signature ones that he uses in every match, his skill-set isn't all that more varied than Reigns'.

I'm just going to take this thread back a bit. But lets say that Daniel Bryan won the Rumble match, would you have him beat Brock Lesnar?

Yep. They could definitely book him to outsmart and defeat Brock Lesnar, and make it believable.

However, I would have just had Seth Rollins cash in on him afterwards. That's been a desire of mine going back to at least last Fall... that whoever was standing victorious with the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania (a babyface, of course), Rollins would swoop in and take their big moment from them by cashing in the briefcase. It just makes too much sense not to, no? Rollins would become the first man to cash in at a Wrestlemania, and the fact that it would happen exactly ten years after the inaugural MITB match at WM21 would make for a cool little footnote.



Lets see.
- He was in the WWE Championship ladder match
- He feuded with Orton in which he won
- He beat Rollins twice in single matches.
- He's beaten Kane and Show
- He speared HHH the night after Mania
- He got 12 eliminations in the Royal Rumble (Most to date)
- Most likely undefeated in Single matches as of last year till now


I agree that out of the things 'wrong' with Reigns' push, his kayfabe booking is hardly one of them. According to data that I collected elsewhere, Reigns has obtained clean victories over ten different superstars in singles matches throughout his entire WWE career so far (in no order): CM Punk, Big Show, Luke Harper, Kane, Randy Orton, The Miz, Mark Henry, Fandango, Seth Rollins, and ADR. And to be fair, seven out of ten of these folks are former world champions. That's more than the likes of Goldberg and Batista could say they beat prior to receiving their big pushes back in the day.

Who did Goldberg beat before winning the championship from Hogan? Other than a couple of prominent midcarders (like Raven for the US Championship), the only type of people he defeated were lower-carders like Alex Wright, Hugh Morrus, Disco Inferno, etc. Sting, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Roddy Piper, The Giant, DDP, etc... it's not like he beat all or even any of these individuals before taking on Hogan.

Who did Batista beat? Jericho at Vengeance 2004 and Chris Benoit a couple of times on Raw in January of 2005 were it.
 

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Historically speaking, if the fans are 'into' a superstar enough, they'll usually eat up almost anything that person does in the ring, even if it's mostly just basic punches and kicks. See Batista for reference. Or Stone Cold for that matter. It seems to me almost every one of Reigns' matches since The Shield ended have gotten a ton of positive reception from the crowd.

And to be fair, is Daniel Bryan's basic move-set in WWE any better or more extensive than Reigns'? I know Bryan has a whole long list of moves and submission maneuvers in his repertoire that we don't ever get to see on display (although for all we know, the same might be true of Reigns, too, albeit to a considerable less extent), but if you look at the signature ones that he uses in every match, his skill-set isn't all that more varied than Reigns'.



Yep. They could definitely book him to outsmart and defeat Brock Lesnar, and make it believable.

However, I would have just had Seth Rollins cash in on him afterwards. That's been a desire of mine going back to at least last Fall... that whoever was standing victorious with the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania (a babyface, of course), Rollins would swoop in and take their big moment from them by cashing in the briefcase. It just makes too much sense not to, no? Rollins would become the first man to cash in at a Wrestlemania, and the fact that it would happen exactly ten years after the inaugural MITB match at WM21 would make for a cool little footnote.



I agree that out of the things 'wrong' with Reigns' push, his kayfabe booking is hardly one of them. According to data that I collected elsewhere, Reigns has obtained clean victories over ten different superstars in singles matches throughout his entire WWE career so far (in no order): CM Punk, Big Show, Luke Harper, Kane, Randy Orton, The Miz, Mark Henry, Fandango, Seth Rollins, and ADR. And to be fair, seven out of ten of these folks are former world champions. That's more than the likes of Goldberg and Batista could say they beat prior to receiving their big pushes back in the day.

Who did Goldberg beat before winning the championship from Hogan? Other than a couple of prominent midcarders (like Raven for the US Championship), the only type of people he defeated were lower-carders like Alex Wright, Hugh Morrus, Disco Inferno, etc. Sting, Randy Savage, Ric Flair, Lex Luger, Roddy Piper, The Giant, DDP, etc... it's not like he beat all or even any of these individuals before taking on Hogan.

Who did Batista beat? Jericho at Vengeance 2004 and Chris Benoit a couple of times on Raw in January of 2005 were it.
I've commented on DB limited move-set multiple times here. He's not the American Dragon in the E. By.Reigns matches being vanilla, it's the same story told in every match. Lots of times he looks lost imo.
 

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Bryan vs Lesnar will turn out just fine because - as Punk said - Lesnar is a downright incredible seller.
He's perfected the art of "gradual selling" that makes him seem like such a machine. The first moves Bryan do he'll laugh off and suplex the shit out of him, then Bryan keeps pulling through and chipping away before eventually he's able to ground Lesnar to a big pop, you know the deal
 
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Bryan vs Lesnar will turn out just fine because - as Punk said - Lesnar is a downright incredible seller.
He's perfected the art of "gradual selling" that makes him seem like such a machine. The first moves Bryan do he'll laugh off and suplex the shit out of him, then Bryan keeps pulling through and chipping away before eventually he's able to ground Lesnar to a big pop, you know the deal

If it happens, bro. Please, WWE! :yay: