The one from a year or so back was pretty lackluster at best and that's also like saying Ric Flair can put on a good match with Ricky Steamboat now.
Yes, because the Cena/Punk matches are great entirely because of Punk right? Cena had absolutely NOTHING to do with them right?
I didn't say Cena has NOTHING to do with them. However Cena elevates his game when he gets in the ring with CM Punk. I can't name a single other match-up where I've particularly cared for John Cena's work. I think if he's not given a challenge he gets extremely lazy in the ring. I won't apology for this belief nor with I belittle my own opinion by responding to the allegation it's "ludicrous." I could list 20 North American talents I'd much rather see in the ring than John Cena. I'll grant you when he's in the ring with the right person he can surpass those 20, but he can't and doesn't do that on a nightly basis.
That doesn't mean they're better wrestlers though, just that you would personally rather see them than Cena. I can agree with that, because I can probably name even more than 20, but I wouldn't consider any of those (outside of Bryan and Punk) BETTER than Cena as an overall wrestler.
Debating over whether it's personal opinion or fact is never going to get us anywhere as I believe Angle is one of the best wrestlers ever and people of the IWC will tell my differently. Nonetheless I personally would rather see those wrestlers over John Cena because I believe them to be better overall wrestlers. The average John Cena match I can close my eyes and tell you exactly when he's going to hit all his spots and when he's going to make the comeback. It's like when I said during WM 29 I knew that the finish of the UT/Punk match was coming up in 5 seconds. Only Cena is that much more predictable. I'm glad you at least agree you could name 20 guys you'd rather see.
I also forgot to mention Austin Aries before, who is another wrestler that I think is better than Cena.
Personally I thought Cena/Ryback LMS was better than Punk/Ryback, but that's just because I think Ryback matches up a little better with Cena. In the Shield tags, Cena did an admirable job making them look good and not attempting to hog the spotlight for himself. I felt the six-man at EC was the MOTN and that Cena was a big part of making it so. My point is, he's not raising his game just for his opponents, his game is always at a high level and the only time you see him dogging it is the occasional moment on television (the Tensai match comes to mind and even then he still put his opponent over).
Agreed. Aries is far superior to Cena. So now we have st least four guys over him, despite you originally saying he was the best!
I'll grant you that Angle is no longer the pioneer he was a few years ago, but I have to go against you saying he has a formula like Cena. Angle does have a game plan, a series of spots and storytelling he must perform in every match, but he doesn't follow an exact routine like John Cena does. Following the same path as everyone else is boring, isn't it? I like Show. I think like Cena if he's motivated he can certainly go.
I don't personally find Ryback to be that good a worker so I'm not high on either but I do agree he seemed to gel better with Cena than Punk.
I said he was "arguably" the best, which is why we're arguing now.
:Cena doesn't follow that exact routine either, he can change it up like he does in the Punk matches. Unless you're simply referring to his combination shoulderblocks into five knuckle shuffle thing, because yeah, that's annoyingly repetetive.
Cena/Bryan seems almost a dead cert as well, and that'll be something to behold.
