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Raw Thread June 11

Drew

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Just started watching.

Baron Corbin looks so much better with a shaved head. Nice digs as well.

Alexa Bliss still look fine as hell too.


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Damn Braun don't be too obvious on stiffening up....you're supposed to do that before he hits the splash
 

Chris

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Amen. I never understood that bullshit. Punk never held the Universal Title and Brock isn't holding the current WWE World Title.

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Bruh what are you guys on? By that logic Punk had no record ever bc Bruno held that championship longer than him. They always said Punk's "record" was longest world champion in the modern era, see how arbitrary most of that is? They grouped both world titles together then and what even constitutes as "modern era." They're saying the same thing about Brock now even though he's been the longest universal champion, its not like they're comparing the Universal Champion to the United States or something.

CM Punk is still the longest reigning WWE Champion since the 80s, just not the longest World Champion it's pretty simple
 
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I’ve always thought “longest reigning Champion of the modern era” was the most ridiculous shit ever. How is that a record?

Saying someone has the longest reign of the last 30 years is cool. But it’s not a record.
 

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Bruh what are you guys on? By that logic Punk had no record ever bc Bruno held that championship longer than him. They always said Punk's "record" was longest world champion in the modern era, see how arbitrary most of that is? They grouped both world titles together then and what even constitutes as "modern era." They're saying the same thing about Brock now even though he's been the longest universal champion, its not like they're comparing the Universal Champion to the United States or something.

CM Punk is still the longest reigning WWE Champion since the 80s, just not the longest World Champion it's pretty simple
All I ever took that as was he was the longest reigning WWE Champion of the modern era. No need to group other titles in. It loses all meaning when you try to cross promote records with belts guys never held. It's just stupid. Just like how New Day have never beaten Demolition's record for the belts they actually held.
 

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I’ve always thought “longest reigning Champion of the modern era” was the most ridiculous shit ever. How is that a record?

Saying someone has the longest reign of the last 30 years is cool. But it’s not a record.
I mean that's basically our point. This longest reigning champion of a certain period of time and across all belts shit is just stupid. You're either the longest reigning WWE champion, or you're not. Punk's only real record was being like the 9th or 10th longest WWE Champion, but not really a record in and of itself.
 

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Can't believe we are using analytics for pro wrestling :roman

Rocky's comeback is better than De Niro and Stallone in Grudge match....so they're career doesn't mesh up because they weren't WBO.
 

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All I ever took that as was he was the longest reigning WWE Champion of the modern era. No need to group other titles in. It loses all meaning when you try to cross promote records with belts guys never held. It's just stupid. Just like how New Day have never beaten Demolition's record for the belts they actually held.
Yeah Punk was the longest reigning WWE Champion in the modern era which therefore made him the longest reigning world champion of it too bc no WHC had a longer reign.

Brock is the longest reigning universal champion ever obviously and now he's also the longest reigning world champion of this "modern era" and that's true whether WWE puts up a graphic saying so or not.

Are we not allowed to say Cena is a 16 time world champion? Do we have to specify how many reigns were WWE and how many were WHC?
 

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Yeah Punk was the longest reigning WWE Champion in the modern era which therefore made him the longest reigning world champion of it too bc no WHC had a longer reign.

Brock is the longest reigning universal champion ever obviously and now he's also the longest reigning world champion of this "modern era" and that's true whether WWE puts up a graphic saying so or not.

Are we not allowed to say Cena is a 16 time world champion? Do we have to specify how many reigns were WWE and how many were WHC?
I don't think even if there had been any comparable WHC reigns it wouldn't have mattered at all. Punk didn't care about having the longest world title reign, he was very specific about moving up the WWE Title reign records and WWE promoted it as such.


I would just say Brock Lesnar is the longest reigning Universal Champion and leave it at that. Not only is it title accurate, but you don't even have to qualify it with a time period as no one has been the Universal Champion for longer.

The only reason WWE mixes records from two different belts is because they want to stop talking about who held it before. Either Demolition or in this case CM Punk. There's no point in it. It's also something extremely new to WWE as they didn't used to make up these new records and push them. Just let people forget Punk existed, it'll happen eventually.

Now talking about how many titles someone has acquired is entirely different. You're not really comparing different records when you simply say wrestler A is a 2-time world champion and a 6-time tag team champion. It's just how you're describing their accolades, not records of different belts and different belt holders. I would say it gets more complicated when talking about Cena beating Flair's "record" of world titles, because then you're making it a record, but that's another topic for another day.
 

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Yeah Punk was the longest reigning WWE Champion in the modern era which therefore made him the longest reigning world champion of it too bc no WHC had a longer reign.

Brock is the longest reigning universal champion ever obviously and now he's also the longest reigning world champion of this "modern era" and that's true whether WWE puts up a graphic saying so or not.

Are we not allowed to say Cena is a 16 time world champion? Do we have to specify how many reigns were WWE and how many were WHC?
Flair marks already say that.
 
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