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[Jacob Fox]

Why are people irritated that that's the story? Because it's not how they would have booked it? The story is most likely not even over, so how can it be judged so quickly? Once upon a time people thought Matt Hardy slowly going crazy was pretty dumb as well, but that's one of the most loved stories out there now. It's gotta fully play out in order for it to properly be judged as a storyline.

Because they are irritated by it. And that's valid. There are things that you don't like and you don't have to defend why you don't like them. Most people wanted to see a conclusive match. And it's as okay for them to think that as it is for you to not.

He chose Rollins because he was the champion, yes. But is it entirely clear that his motivation is the championship itself? Or just to prove a point to the person with the championship? Could it be as stated in the video, that he thinks Seth is greedy or too self absorbed or over-confident, which is due to him having the title? His motivations regarding the actual championship were never made clear, but what was made clear was that he wanted to hurt Seth. Remember, we've seen the "hurt" aspect come into play thus far, but this is a deep character... the "heal" aspect shouldn't be ignored. Maybe the only way to heal Seth Rollins is to first hurt him. I'm getting a lot of Cena/Kane Embrace the Hate feud vibes from where this story has gone and is heading.

The only sensible thing is that he chose Rollins because he wanted the championship. If he wanted to make a point, he could have made a better point by destroying Brock Lesnar, Braun Strowman, Luke Harper and Rowan at the same time, Roman Reigns. Sorry, it's silly to actually think he went after the champion for any other reason than he wanted the championship.

You can kick a man's ass and cause all the physical pain you want. But Bray's game is, and has always been, mental anguish as well. By staying down and taking quite literally everything Seth had, without fighting back during the second half of the match, and still being seemingly unphased by it, it sends quite the message, more than a simple beatdown would. Allowing Seth to think at the end that he finally had conquered this monster, only for the Fiend to come back once again, just as strong as he was before... what could possibly be going through Seth's mind after such a thing? Cuz it sure as fuck wasn't "well at least I'm still champ".

Disagree. It didn't get come off as Bray was playing mind games by staying on the mat. It came off as him needed recovery time. If they meant it as mind games, then they failed because barely anyone seems to have come to the conclusion.

It's the writer's job to convey what is going on so the fans WILL understand it. It's not the fans fault if the writers fail at this.

Again, I have no problem with people being upset. Everyone's perfectly entitled to how they feel about certain things. But I'm still not fully understanding the reason behind it, other than they just wanted the Fiend to be champ, and since that didn't happen, it was automatically shit. I suppose I can see people losing faith in the future booking of this character, but at the same time, I personally find it to be giving up too soon. This story has just begun. Say Fiend DID win the title. What logically comes next? He'd have presumably beaten Rollins definitively enough that he wouldn't be in any condition to get a rematch any time soon. He'd hold the title for a brief while and then no matter how good or bad he was booked during his reign, people would shit all over it when he loses the title anyway.

Again, you don't have to understand it. I don't understand why people are so worked up by the Fiend character in the first place.

I think as far as the fans wants goes, it's important to take into consideration, but not every single thing needs to just cater to the majority of the fans. Both the writers and the wrestlers, and really just anyone involved... they're all the artists, and pro wrestling is art. Obviously art is subjective, but is it really art if the artist(s) don't get to put themselves, their feelings, their stories, etc into the medium? I truly don't think that WWE is doing this to spite their fans, or go against their wishes, or whatever. I believe they are giving them, giving us, exactly what we want. It's just not in the way we wanted or expected. But it's coming regardless. I'm more than willing to give this flower the time to bloom instead of just saying it's ugly because it's only a seed

You are wrong here. This is not about not having to cater to the fans. This is about doing something far beyond just not catering to the fans. This is about making such an asinine decision that they should have known would piss their fans off. Fans will get angry about decisions, but they still pay the bills. They could walk a fine line between not catering to the fans and not making them so unbelievably angry like they did here. That's just dumb business.

When the company doesn't cater to the fans, they still have to try to have those fans continue to watch their product. They still have to not piss them off so badly that they won't come back. They failed at this.

 

[Rosie]

Looking at the theory of The Fiend wanting to say, not win the title, and instead just wishes to break Seth mentally, that could be feasible as a story. I am not saying it is what happened, but using one perspective it could have been possible, although I think it can be a bit of a stretch.

Breaking Seth mentally, questioning his morality and cause chaos, can be a great fucking story (trust me, I've done it a fair bit in the e-feds on here, see Ryan's entire RWK run + the current story I have with Nova Taylor). However, using Hell in a Cell for that story creates problems because Hell in a Cell (ideally) should be going until there is a winner, or at the very least both men can't continue, whatever. But because it so happens to fall on the Hell in a Cell PPV, it is automatically a Hell in a Cell match and it makes it harder to tell that story because you hurt the legitimacy of the match itself. Adding that people wanted a conclusive finish, people have a right to be upset.

If this was a regular match where Seth, after delivering a more reasonable number of Curb Stomps, is getting desperate to beat this monster, and The Fiend's mind-games cause him to lash out and get Disqualified but The Fiend lays him out after, then, even if it would have been a little bit deflating as an end of a PPV, would have been more palatable and lead well into the next part of the story and displayed that idea more clearly.

Then again, what do I know? I only saw some highlights online, some summaries, and the social media outrage?

 

[Jacob Fox]

Looking at the theory of The Fiend wanting to say, not win the title, and instead just wishes to break Seth mentally, that could be feasible as a story. I am not saying it is what happened, but using one perspective it could have been possible, although I think it can be a bit of a stretch.

Breaking Seth mentally, questioning his morality and cause chaos, can be a great fucking story (trust me, I've done it a fair bit in the e-feds on here, see Ryan's entire RWK run + the current story I have with Nova Taylor). However, using Hell in a Cell for that story creates problems because Hell in a Cell (ideally) should be going until there is a winner, or at the very least both men can't continue, whatever. But because it so happens to fall on the Hell in a Cell PPV, it is automatically a Hell in a Cell match and it makes it harder to tell that story because you hurt the legitimacy of the match itself. Adding that people wanted a conclusive finish, people have a right to be upset.

If this was a regular match where Seth, after delivering a more reasonable number of Curb Stomps, is getting desperate to beat this monster, and The Fiend's mind-games cause him to lash out and get Disqualified but The Fiend lays him out after, then, even if it would have been a little bit deflating as an end of a PPV, would have been more palatable and lead well into the next part of the story and displayed that idea more clearly.

Then again, what do I know? I only saw some highlights online, some summaries, and the social media outrage?

If his goal was to break Seth mentally, he would have done it by challenging him to the match but insisting it not be for the title. Then, have the Fiend win and have him go on playing mind games with Seth by mocking him that even though he holds the belt, he's not a real champion because the Fiend defeated him in the cell.

See, that took me 20 seconds to come up with, which tells me that the WWE writers could have had a much better story if they tried.

 

[Snowman1]

Some people hate telling you "I told you so." Fortunately, I am not one of those people. I told you so. I have never lost confidence that WWE would really fuck up with the Fiend. And did they fuck up royally. They overpowered him, which was stupid. Hell, even the Undertaker goes down at some point. And the overpowered character makes no sense lying there on the canvas as Seth spends minutes outside the ring looking for weapons. He can get up for tons of curb stomps but a chair shot puts him down for minutes? I mean the ridiculousness of it all. I knew they were going to really fuck it up, but that even surprised me how much they did.

And @baseballmm You just took over 7 points for one match so you're not allowed to get mad at anyone else anymore for taking off lots of points for one match ?

Honestly, I wasn't disappointed because I saw this coming... well not "this" exactly, but I saw a stupid ending well on it's way. And then all of the unannounced matches taking up the entire middle of the show was just a momentum killer. I couldn't get too overexcited about Gable beating Corbin because it just really didn't mean anything.

Basically, start off with your strongest match, put a lot of filler in the middle, and send your fans home pissed with your main event. The business plan of the ages.

Agreed. on overpowering the Fiend.

Let me even use NXT as an example. At Brooklyn, Demon Balor got the apron powerbomb, and Owens climbed the ladder while Balor popped back up from a move that always keeps someone out for months and climbed the ladder. The fans that weren't still buzzing about Sasha vs Bayley (like me) bitched about that. How could you not protect the apron powerbomb?

The commentary told you. The Demon doesn't feel pain. He can pop up from the apron bomb like nothing. That was part of the storyline, but then, how do you get the title off him??

...with just a musclebuster. Ok. :/

Now since the Fiend is OP as hell right now, he's going to lose, and it's going to be incredibly lame when he does

 

[Rosie]

The commentary told you. The Demon doesn't feel pain. He can pop up from the apron bomb like nothing. That was part of the storyline, but then, how do you get the title off him??

...with just a musclebuster. Ok. :/

Actually, he lost the title when he didn't wear the performance-enhancing paint and had his only lost in a cage match.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

Man, this thread went from meh to toxic to trolling to what I expect out of every wrestling forum/discussion now. I give this thread a "Why in the hell did I decide to read this when I knew half of the responses" / 10

 

[Solid Snake]

Good "plugging" Beavs...

:thumbsup:

 

[Jacob Fox]

Man, this thread went from meh to toxic to trolling to what I expect out of every wrestling forum/discussion now. I give this thread a "Why in the hell did I decide to read this when I knew half of the responses" / 10

Just curious, what parts were trolling? I didn't see that.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

Just curious, what parts were trolling? I didn't see that.

I use trolling to mean general non-sense, or someone posting stuff and criticizing stuff with the intent of bashing with no real substance aka shit posting just to shit post.

 

[Jacob Fox]

I use trolling to mean general non-sense, or someone posting stuff and criticizing stuff with the intent of bashing with no real substance aka shit posting just to shit post.

Okay, I honestly just thought I missed something. I am not always good at seeing deeper than the post.

 

[Solid Snake]

From my understanding, the reason people are pissed is because of how the final match ended.

I didn't watch the PPV but I did read some recaps and see some reactions. I think the way people are getting this pissed is funny but at the same time, I can understand being fed up with the company. They are trying something different here though and it seems people would have gotten pissed no matter what they did.

If Bray won = "Eh, good match but too predictable."
If Seth won = "Of course he won, he is one of Vince's favorites!"
If someone interrupted the match = "____ ruined the whole match for me! That was so stupid!!!"
They won't ever be able to please everyone. :idk3:

I'm on the other side though having been a fan and losing interest in wrestling. I know quite a few of you guys are fed up with WWE. Good thing we have a solid community here or I think a lot of people would have left the forum by now. lol

 

[Jay-Ashley]

Okay, I honestly just thought I missed something. I am not always good at seeing deeper than the post.

You find. I tend to use a word different from the meaning, so no worries, amigo.

 

[Jay-Ashley]

From my understanding, the reason people are pissed is because of how the final match ended.

I didn't watch the PPV but I did read some recaps and see some reactions. I think the way people are getting this pissed is funny but at the same time, I can understand being fed up with the company. They are trying something different here though and it seems people would have gotten pissed no matter what they did.

If Bray won = "Eh, good match but too predictable."
If Seth won = "Of course he won, he is one of Vince's favorites!"
If someone interrupted the match = "____ ruined the whole match for me! That was so stupid!!!"
They won't ever be able to please everyone. :idk3:

I'm on the other side though having been a fan and losing interest in wrestling. I know quite a few of you guys are fed up with WWE. Good thing we have a solid community here or I think a lot of people would have left the forum by now. lol

Who would have thought that a cat finally is speaking some sense?

 

[Jacob Fox]

From my understanding, the reason people are pissed is because of how the final match ended.

I didn't watch the PPV but I did read some recaps and see some reactions. I think the way people are getting this pissed is funny but at the same time, I can understand being fed up with the company. They are trying something different here though and it seems people would have gotten pissed no matter what they did.

If Bray won = "Eh, good match but too predictable."
If Seth won = "Of course he won, he is one of Vince's favorites!"
If someone interrupted the match = "____ ruined the whole match for me! That was so stupid!!!"
They won't ever be able to please everyone. :idk3:

I'm on the other side though having been a fan and losing interest in wrestling. I know quite a few of you guys are fed up with WWE. Good thing we have a solid community here or I think a lot of people would have left the forum by now. lol

It wasn't just the ending though. It was how OP they made the Fiend. They started booing when Rollins was hitting curb stomp after curb stomp but the Fiend kept getting up. I mean, they made him more OP than the Undertaker and I think that was their first mistake. But yeah, the boos started ten minutes before the end of the match.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Who would have thought that a cat finally is speaking some sense?

I'd be careful with that. My cats know where you live.