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Honestly...

I'd just like the main roster product to make sense, focus on continuity, tell
some interesting stories, push performers who can actually wrestle & quit
the feud extending "fucked finishes"

It can be frustrating to watch a wrestling show & have a your overall excitement
& investment take a hit over & over again...& I understand that frustration all to
well. I had to literally take a break from wrestling (& this place) to finally realize
that it was too frustrating for me to actually care & be invested in the WWE main
roster.

The WWE has a cast of amazing performers, high end production values & all
the money in the world...& yet...their product is...well...just repetitive & stale.

When I watch wrestling...I just want to be entertained...

Not insulted...and I feel insulted when I watch the WWE main roster.

Again...that's my own perspective...and if you enjoy the WWE...then I'm happy
for you...but I won't watch it again until REAL changes occur.
I see your point, but it just seems that fans generally complain, even if things are better in some ways. For example, Roman isn't the guy right now, and sure he is still being pushed, but no where near how he was before, and everyone still seems to complain about how Seth is being trampled on and his feuds suck. The only time I've agreed with that is when he went from Brock to Corbin, stupid. But he faced Styles, Brock again, and now the monster, and now is feuding with the most interesting guy in WWE, the Fiend (I'm sure that's debatable to some, him being the most interesting guy, but he's def one of the top) and people still bitch, even if they like the Fiend.

Frustration can happen in anything and nothing is perfect. I know you know this, but you're going to maybe like some of the product and hate maybe even more of it, depends on the person. And, if you're looking for just being entertained (which depending on how you view that), WWE isn't half bad at just the entertainment part. They do have a wide scope of things going on all the time. Oh, and I do agree that it gets repetitive stale; in the same breath, I just think that the prime time to tune in should be as of late....why? Well Roman isn't being pushed right now to all ends. Seth is. Brock lost the belt, the Fiend is fun, R Truth is okay, and DB is always fun to see. I get that outside of this, WWE can suck, but even when they don't entirely, everyone seems to not care and still say the product is shit. Idk, maybe just my perception? lol.

All in all, as I stated originally, it seems like you can hand fans a gold platter with gold on it, and they'd still bitch how it's not gold enough. Seth can have the belt, The Fiend is being psuhed, Brock is out the picture, Beck is champ, Roman isn't the crazily super pushed Cena, and yet, WWE still sucks.....
 

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All in all, as I stated originally, it seems like you can hand fans a gold platter with gold on it, and they'd still bitch how it's not gold enough.
Well...isn't that an ingrained part of any fandom of any media?

I mean...

I'm sure some Nintendo fans will complain no matter who they add to the latest Smash Brothers...
I'm sure some metal fans will complain about the latest Metallica album no matter how fast & heavy it is...
I'm sure some kaiju fans will complain about monster screen time in the latest Godzilla film no matter how much the kaiju are on screen...

I mean...you can't please everyone right?

Or do you expect all the WWE fans to just sit, smile & nod at whatever they're given?

I'm sure the WWE would like that.
 

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Well...isn't that an ingrained part of any fandom of any media?

I mean...

I'm sure some Nintendo fans will complain no matter who they add to the latest Smash Brothers...
I'm sure some metal fans will complain about the latest Metallica album no matter how fast & heavy it is...
I'm sure some kaiju fans will complain about monster screen time in the latest Godzilla film no matter how much the kaiju are on screen...

I mean...you can't please everyone right?

Or do you expect all the WWE fans to just sit, smile & nod at whatever they're given?

I'm sure the WWE would like that.
That’s true, and that’s my point. Fans will never be satisfied even if things are going moreso “their way.”

I don’t expect anyone to do anything of the sorts, rather stop the bitching so often if things are actually changing more in your favor and try to give some credit when it’s due.

We’re all entitled to complain about whatever, but my point is that fans today just think everything sucks. I’ve heard people all these forums for example, talk about how they hate Brock and want him not to be champ. Well, he’s not champ, not destroying everything in sight, and people are now bitching about Seth’s reign. Lol. It’s like come on.... unpleasable if you ask mE.

Some of the whining and complaining can be valid, but even when WWE is catering more to fans wants, hardcore fans or not, it’s doesnt fucking matter, everyone keeps bitching nonstop.
 
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but my point is that fans today just think everything sucks.
Is this directed at...someone in particular...or just the fandom as a whole?

Well, he’s not champ
Yeah...lets see if Kofi retains on the first FOX SDL shall we.

and people are now bitching about Seth’s reign.
Well...maybe if Seth had an opportunity to wrestle quality opponents
(like Styles) instead of "monsters with a couple of moves" (Le$nar,
Corbin, Strowman) fans would be happier with his reign.

Just saying...

Some of the whining and complaining can be valid, but even when WWE is catering more to fans wants, hardcore fans or not, it’s doesnt fucking matter, everyone keeps bitching nonstop.
Well...I guess if you have a problem with other fans expressing their
opinions...or as you call it "whining, complaining & bitching" then
maybe you're in the wrong place?

:idk3:
 
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Is this directed at...someone in particular...or just the fandom as a whole?


Yeah...lets see if Kofi retains on the first FOX SDL shall we.


Well...maybe if Seth had an opportunity to wrestle quality opponents
(like Styles) instead of "monsters with a couple of moves" (Le$nar,
Corbin, Strowman) fans would be happier with his reign.

Just saying...


Well...I guess if you have a problem with other fans expressing their
opinions...or as you call it "whining, complaining & bitching" then
maybe you're in the wrong place?

:idk3:
Oh Grievous, you know what I mean... usually moreso than others here, but I can engage more.

Fandom as a whole lately, especially more hardcore fans, even some on these forums.

See, even when Brock isn’t champ, you’re still complaining already. So if Kofi does win, are you gojng to be at least somewhat satisfied, or are we going to hear about how bad the match was even though Kofi won? I’ll be you anything, everyone will be bitching either way. That’s the point I’m making... it’s one thing to complain sometimes, it’s another to never be satisfied and complain just to do it. Lol.

He did face styles for the title. How often would you like for him to face people like styles? Nonstop? I agree about the Corbin thing, but him facing some monster opponents after beating... idk, Brock, proves his credibility. I’m sure people would complain nonstop if he did endlessly face great wrestlers.

Don’t take what I said out of context, rather take it for what it is: if you’re one of the ones that like to bitch about seemingly literally anything, even if it’s more of what you wanted, maybe stfu sometimes? It becomes whining when you get your way in one thing, then the other way you’re still endlessly complaining. If that’s you, look in the mirror and calm the fuck down a little bit.
 

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So if Kofi does win, are you gojng to be at least somewhat satisfied
I would be...but then that's just me.

How often would you like for him to face people like styles? Nonstop?
Yeah...

Every week...

The WWE has enough talent & the Wild Card rule so why not have
Seth come out & put on the best match of the night with a skilled
opponent?

Like why not?

Sounds like a good way to elevate the Fruit Roll Up Belt & make
Seth look like a highly skilled fighting Champion while also
entertaining the crowds...at the venue & at home.

Its a Win/Win/Win situation.

but him facing some monster opponents after beating... idk, Brock, proves his credibility.
...which is about to flushed down the toilet as he's defeated by Bray Wyatt
wearing a fucking stupid ass mask while dressed as Biker Beetlejuice.

Don’t take what I said out of context, rather take it for what it is:
Well...I'm trying to get some context here...

if you’re one of the ones that like to bitch about seemingly literally anything, even if it’s more of what you wanted, maybe stfu sometimes? It becomes whining when you get your way in one thing, then the other way you’re still endlessly complaining. If that’s you, look in the mirror and calm the fuck down a little bit.
So you're basically telling part of the fandom you're a part
of to "STFU" because you don't like what they are saying?

That about sums it up yeah?
 

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Yeah. But story line wise they made a HUGE deal about that streak. And Hogan didn't just accept. It took a while for it. But the winning streak was important. They only had Hogan accept because he was the big hero, If he declined he would have looked like a coward. I agree with all your other examples but not this one.
Fair enough bro. And i mostly agree with you on all that. Although I'd argue that we're both right and are just debating separate points. :)

@Just Kevin say what you want about my rate threads but they clearly get more replies than normal rate threads <3
Jeffreag draws the big house brother

Yeah...lets see if Kofi retains on the first FOX SDL shall we.
WWE's 50/50 booking logic dictates that Kofi gets his win back from Beast in the East :emoji_wink:

enjoy having discussions with you as well. Definitely one of the most positive experiences in this forum, as far as debating goes. Although I feel like we keep destroying these threads with our rambles ? ? .
I mean, Kev referred to me as a god, I was hands down undisputed member of the year last year, and I'm favored to win the upcoming election for WWEF presidency, so I'd say we're allowed to get away with it pretty easily. Just ask @Solid Snake :reigns6:
 

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The Fiend is to Bray Wyatt the same way Fire Emblem: Awakening is to the rest of the series

Something that would ultimately revive or completely kill the wrestler/series depending on whether people liked it or not. I am glad that both were successful
 
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I would be...but then that's just me.


Yeah...

Every week...

The WWE has enough talent & the Wild Card rule so why not have
Seth come out & put on the best match of the night with a skilled
opponent?

Like why not?

Sounds like a good way to elevate the Fruit Roll Up Belt & make
Seth look like a highly skilled fighting Champion while also
entertaining the crowds...at the venue & at home.

Its a Win/Win/Win situation.


...which is about to flushed down the toilet as he's defeated by Bray Wyatt
wearing a fucking stupid ass mask while dressed as Biker Beetlejuice.


Well...I'm trying to get some context here...


So you're basically telling part of the fandom you're a part
of to "STFU" because you don't like what they are saying?

That about sums it up yeah?
I would be...but then that's just me.


Yeah...

Every week...

The WWE has enough talent & the Wild Card rule so why not have
Seth come out & put on the best match of the night with a skilled
opponent?

Like why not?

Sounds like a good way to elevate the Fruit Roll Up Belt & make
Seth look like a highly skilled fighting Champion while also
entertaining the crowds...at the venue & at home.

Its a Win/Win/Win situation.


...which is about to flushed down the toilet as he's defeated by Bray Wyatt
wearing a fucking stupid ass mask while dressed as Biker Beetlejuice.


Well...I'm trying to get some context here...


So you're basically telling part of the fandom you're a part
of to "STFU" because you don't like what they are saying?

That about sums it up yeah?
"I would be...but then that's just me."

I'd bet you that with your mentality, and honestly no offense, you'd be complaining about when Brock will eventually win the title, just as you already did with Rollins: you focused already on his match with Kofi and not the fact that Rollins actually took his title. Again, never satisfied and always negative.

"Yeah...

Every week...

The WWE has enough talent & the Wild Card rule so why not have
Seth come out & put on the best match of the night with a skilled
opponent?

Like why not?

Sounds like a good way to elevate the Fruit Roll Up Belt & make
Seth look like a highly skilled fighting Champion while also
entertaining the crowds...at the venue & at home.

Its a Win/Win/Win situation."

Ummm........so if he faced endless highly skilled wrestlers, you'd stop complaining so much? I bet that also wouldn't be the case, but also the crowds have seemed entertained by his matches so far, beyond the Corbin one. And, they generally seem to be eating up the Fiend feud so far (of course you're not).

"...which is about to flushed down the toilet as he's defeated by Bray Wyatt
wearing a fucking stupid ass mask while dressed as Biker Beetlejuice."

Obviously that's subjective, but the Fiend is one of the most interesting characters we've had in a long time. Coming fro someone like yourself who loves kane so much, I don't get the huge amount of hatred, but to each their own (and of course you hate the fiend....im noticing a trend of you nonstop complaining either way).

"So you're basically telling part of the fandom you're a part
of to "STFU" because you don't like what they are saying?

That about sums it up yeah?"

You're assuming and taking things out of context, but let me tell you what I'm literally saying and stated:

"Don’t take what I said out of context, rather take it for what it is: if you’re one of the ones that like to bitch about seemingly literally anything, even if it’s more of what you wanted, maybe stfu sometimes? It becomes whining when you get your way in one thing, then the other way you’re still endlessly complaining. If that’s you, look in the mirror and calm the fuck down a little bit."

What that means, since I need to explain it, is that if you're one of the kinds of people who endlessly complain, even if things are going more you way. In other words, you're negative, your sour, and you don't represent any fan base well. You make it more toxic. I'm saying that I keep noticing a trend of this type of behavior with people like yourself and it's not good because you'll never seemingly be satisfied by anything, rather you'd keep complaining no matter the outcome. Out of one side of your mouth, you don't want Brock to have the belt; well, he lost it and now you're onto the next complaining bandwagon. You want to be entertained, but then in any faculty that WWE does it, you bitch and whine. Now, hopefully this makes more sense and gives you some context that I guess I was lacking before?

You know who complains like that, the endless rants and never being happy with anything: my kids. Honestly, they whine and complain and even after they get what they wanted...oh, trust me, there's still some room for endless griping. Idk if you have kids or not, but that's how it is and that's how I feel a lot of the fan base has become, like kids.

We're entitled to opinions, my friend, but the endless "opinions" (all negative mind you) as you call them, become childish when that's all you do....
 
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"I would be...but then that's just me."

I'd bet you that with your mentality, and honestly no offense, you'd be complaining about when Brock will eventually win the title, just as you already did with Rollins: you focused already on his match with Kofi and not the fact that Rollins actually took his title. Again, never satisfied and always negative.

"Yeah...

Every week...

The WWE has enough talent & the Wild Card rule so why not have
Seth come out & put on the best match of the night with a skilled
opponent?

Like why not?

Sounds like a good way to elevate the Fruit Roll Up Belt & make
Seth look like a highly skilled fighting Champion while also
entertaining the crowds...at the venue & at home.

Its a Win/Win/Win situation."

Ummm........so if he faced endless highly skilled wrestlers, you'd stop complaining so much? I bet that also wouldn't be the case, but also the crowds have seemed entertained by his matches so far, beyond the Corbin one. And, they generally seem to be eating up the Fiend feud so far (of course you're not).

"...which is about to flushed down the toilet as he's defeated by Bray Wyatt
wearing a fucking stupid ass mask while dressed as Biker Beetlejuice."

Obviously that's subjective, but the Fiend is one of the most interesting characters we've had in a long time. Coming fro someone like yourself who loves kane so much, I don't get the huge amount of hatred, but to each their own (and of course you hate the fiend....im noticing a trend of you nonstop complaining either way).

"So you're basically telling part of the fandom you're a part
of to "STFU" because you don't like what they are saying?

That about sums it up yeah?"

You're assuming and taking things out of context, but let me tell you what I'm literally saying and stated:

"Don’t take what I said out of context, rather take it for what it is: if you’re one of the ones that like to bitch about seemingly literally anything, even if it’s more of what you wanted, maybe stfu sometimes? It becomes whining when you get your way in one thing, then the other way you’re still endlessly complaining. If that’s you, look in the mirror and calm the fuck down a little bit."

What that means, since I need to explain it, is that if you're one of the kids of people who endlessly complain, even if things are going more you way. In other words, you're negative, your sour, and you don't represent any fan base well. You make it more toxic. I'm saying that I keep noticing a trend of this type of behavior with people like yourself and it's not good because you'll never seemingly be satisfied by anything, rather you'd keep complaining no matter the outcome. Out of one side of your mouth, you don't want Brock to have the belt; well, he lost it and now you're onto the next complaining bandwagon. You want to be entertained, but then in any faculty that WWE does it, you bitch and whine. Now, hopefully this makes more sense and gives you some context that I guess I was lacking before?

You know who complains like that, the endless rants and never being happy with anything: my kids. Honestly, they whine and complain and even after they get what they wanted...oh, trust me, there's still some room for endless griping. Idk if you have kids or not, but that's how it is and that's how I feel a lot of the fanbase has become, like kids.

We're entitled to opinions, my friend, but the endless "opinions" (all negative mind you) as you call them, become childish when that's all you do....
Ugh...

Can you fix that post man?

I'm not sure what is mine & what is yours.