Chuck Taylor's Grenade
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Owen Hart doesn't deserve to go in the Hall of Fame.
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If it wasn't that hard alot more people would be drawing heat. Alot more people would be over. But no one outside of the main event scene except Miz is doing either. It's not as easy as you think. Drawing the heat that Owen drew, the whole "two time Slammy winner" and the "I'm not a nugget" pre-dated the "what" chants and Kurt Angle's "you suck" chants. Owen's heat makes him memorable. Being as memorable as he was is just another credit to how Hall worthy he is.
LadyHotrod
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I said that not everyone can make it believable (thus, not everyone can be successful) but if you have the right story, you can do it. The Slammy awards were perfect because it gave him the chance to push the issue and make people hate him for winning and being arrogant about it.
I'm not sayig by any means he was a bad heel, though, it just seemed like a lot of people think being a big heel is a huge factor of whether you deserve to be in the HoF or not. If that is the case, Cowboy Bob Orton does deserve to be there because he drew heat back in the day, especially by turning on Piper. Maybe not the biggest heat in the world but he still drew some fair heat.
I think his heel run certainly helped him but I hope that's not the only thing people will think about when they hear his name (which I don't think they will, if they know his title history, etc.)
I think someone's ability to get over and the heat they generated is far more essential to them getting into the Hall. It's what demonstrates how real their success was, the fans decide who is worthy of their praise and disdain. Titles are moot for a majority of workers as it all depends on the promoter who gets them. Greg Gagne held over 10 AWA titles, who the fuck remembers him? Disco Inferno is a five time WCW TV Champ, does that make him more worthy of the Hall? Fuckin Jeff Jarrett held five WCW world titles and was an epic failure. Does that make him a better fit than Owen? Hell to the no. Titles shouldn't define everyone. Karl Malone, Charles Barkley and a shitload of great players of all sports went into their respective Halls title-less but are no less special.
The fact that only one midcarder is getting over these days just shows how special Owen was. He was generating heat in the midcard that maineventers aren't even getting. He had great matches along the way. He held some titles, but his legacy is his heel act.
LKP
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Owen Hart deserves to be in the HOF more than most of the people who have been in it already. Not Owens fault he died young? He should be there good wrestler, good entertainer and a damn good Hart.
Moonlight Drive
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Qwake
Guest
Owen definitely deserves to be in there imo, he was a great wrestler, had some very memorable matches and would have easily become a Main Eventer if given the chance and if the accident hadn't happened. If he does make the HoF I hope its for the work he done and everything and not because Vince feels guilty about the accident or not just because he's a Hart or anything. I'd expect Stu to get in before before any other Hart gets in though.
Moonlight Drive
Guest
If Braden Walker wasn't released, Vince could've pushed him to the moon and made him a Main Eventer for all we know. You can't count accomplishments which do not exist.
LadyHotrod
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Qwake
Guest
Vince tested Walker and Walker failed which is why Vince gave up on him, Owen was doing great and impressing alot of people and looked as though he could have been main eventing is what I mean.
1993 André the Giant: One-time WWF Champion.
1994 Arnold Skaaland: One-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion and long-time manager in WWF.
1994 Bobo Brazil: Four time WWWF United States Champion, one-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion and held over thirty NWA regional titles.
1994 "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers: One-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion and first WWWF World Heavyweight Champion.
1994 Chief Jay Strongbow: Four-time WWWF/WWF World Tag Team Champion.
1994 "Classy" Freddie Blassie: Held over thirty NWA regional championships. Long-time manager in WWF.
1994 Gorilla Monsoon: Two-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion. Former WWF announcer and onscreen President.
1994 James Dudley: First African American to run a major arena in the United States.
1995 Antonino Rocca: One-time WWF International Heavyweight Champion.
1995 "Big Cat" Ernie Ladd: Also a member of the WCW Hall of Fame, won several NWA regional titles.
1995 George "The Animal" Steele: Also a member of the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame.
1995 Ivan Putski: One-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
1995 The Fabulous Moolah: Three time (and first) WWF Women's Champion prior to her induction. She won the title a fourth time four years after her induction and still holds the record for the longest single reign.
1995 The Grand Wizard: Long time heel manager in WWF.
1995 Pedro Morales: One time WWWF World Heavyweight Champion, first WWF Triple Crown Champion.
1996 "Baron" Mikel Scicluna: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion.
1996 "Captain" Lou Albano: One time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion. As a manager, he lead fifteen different tag teams and four singles wrestlers to various championships
1996 Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka: One time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, two-time NWA World Tag Team Champion and first ECW Heavyweight Champion.
1996 Johnny Rodz: Wrestled in WWF for nearly two decades.
1996 Killer Kowalski: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion, held seventeen NWA regional championships.
1996 Pat Patterson: One-time and first WWF Intercontinental Champion, one-time AWA World Tag Team Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
1996 Vincent J. McMahon: Founder of and long time promoter for World Wrestling Entertainment.
2004 Big John Studd: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion, held a dozen NWA regional championships.
2004 Don Muraco: Two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion. First winner of the King of the Ring.
2004 Greg "The Hammer" Valentine: Two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, four-time NWA World Tag Team Champion, one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2004 Harley Race: Eight-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time and first NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, three-time AWA World Tag Team Champion and WWF King of the Ring winner in 1986.
2004 Jesse "The Body" Ventura: One-time AWA World Tag Team Champion. Former commentator in WWF.
2004 Junkyard Dog: Held fifteen championships while wrestling in "Cowboy" Bill Watts' Mid-South Wrestling Association including, four reigns as Mid-South North American Heavyweight Champion.
2004 Sgt. Slaughter: One-time WWF Champion and two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion
2004 "Superstar" Billy Graham: One-time WWWF World Heavyweight Champion.
2004 Tito Santana: Two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and two-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2004 Bobby "The Brain" Heenan: Former commentator and long-time manager in WWF.
2004 Pete Rose: Celebrity inductee.
2005 Hulk Hogan: Six-time WWF/E Champion and six-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion.
2005 "Rowdy" Roddy Piper: Two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, held over two dozen NWA regional championships and one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion. Host of Piper's Pit.
2005 "Cowboy" Bob Orton: Held numerous NWA regional titles.
2005 Jimmy Hart: Long-time manager in WWF.
2005 "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff: Four-time NWA National Heavyweight Champion and two-time WCW World Tag Team Champion.
2005 Nikolai Volkoff: Three-time WWWF International Tag Team Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2005 The Iron Sheik: One-time WWF Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2006 Bret "The Hitman" Hart: Five-time WWF Champion, two-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, two-time WWF Intecontinental Champion and two-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2006 Eddie Guerrero: One-time WWE Champion, two-time WCW/WWE United States Champion and two-time WWE Intercontinental Champion.
2006 "Mean" Gene Okerlund: Long-time AWA, WCW, and WWF/E interviewer and announcer.
2006 "Sensational" Sherri: One-time WWF Women's Champion and four-time AWA World Women's Champion. Former manager.
2006 Verne Gagne: Co-founder of the American Wrestling Association, Ten-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion and four-time AWA World Tag Team Champion.
2006 "Mr. USA" Tony Atlas: One-time WWF Tag Team Champion, half of the first African American WWF World Tag Team Championship winning duo with Rocky Johnson.
2006 William "The Refrigerator" Perry: Celebrity inductee.
2007 "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes: Three-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, two-time NWA World Tag Team Champion and held over forty NWA regional championships.
2007 "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig: One-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time AWA World Tag Team Champion, two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and one-time WCW United States Heavyweight Champion.
2007 Jerry "The King" Lawler: One-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion, thirty-time AWA Southern Heavyweight Champion, three-time WCWA World Heavyweight Champion and current color commentator for Raw.
2007 Nick Bockwinkel: Six-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion and three-time AWA World Tag Team Champion.
2007 Mr. Fuji: Five-time WWWF/WWF World Tag Team Champion. Former manager.
2007 The Sheik: Two-time WWWF United States Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
2007 Jim Ross: Long time lead announcer for WWF/E, WCW and other regional promotions. Head of WWF Talent Relations throughout the Attitude Era and signed many well known superstars.
2008 "Nature Boy" Ric Flair: Two-time WWF Champion, eight-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion,and ten-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion.Recognized by WWE as a sixteen-time World Heavyweight Champion. Flair was the first active WWE wrestler to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame.
2008 "High Chief" Peter Maivia: Held more than a dozen NWA regional championships.
2008 "Soulman" Rocky Johnson: One-time WWF World Tag Team Champion, half of the first African American WWF World Tag Team Championship winning duo with Tony Atlas.
2008 Mae Young: First ever and one-time NWA United States Women's Champion.
2008 Eddie Graham: Promoter and booker for Championship Wrestling from Florida, held over thirty NWA regional championships including eighteen in CWF.
2008 Gordon Solie: Commentator, announcer and promoter for Championship Wrestling from Florida, later worked for World Championship Wrestling.
2009 Stone Cold Steve Austin: Six-time WWF Champion, four-time WWF Tag Team Champion, two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion, 1996 King of the Ring, three-time Royal Rumble winner (1997, 1998 and 2001).
2009 Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat: One-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, three-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, and one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion
2009 "Cowboy" Bill Watts: Former wresting promoter in the mid-south United States, one-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
2009 Koko B. Ware: Held several NWA regional championships.
2009 Howard Finkel: WWE ring announcer since 1975.
The Valiant Brothers
The Blackjacks
The Wild Samoans
The Brisco Brothers
The Funks
The Von Erichs
Then this year,
Antonio Inoki
"The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase
Wendi Richter
Maurice "Mad Dog" Vachon
I see a few names on there who don't belong. Celebrity inductees? In the Hall of Fame? Why?
Is it a smart move by the WWE to induct so many people every year? And may that explain why there are some unlikely names on the list? Should it be limited to 2 or 3 a year, in staying with a quality > quantity?
And if Owen Hart isn't worthy of being in the Hall of Fame, do you feel that Eddie Guerrero should be there?
Taking into account the more than a dozen NWA titles Peter Maivia held, and the fact Rocky Johnson was part of the first black tag team belt winners, do you think that inducting them into the HoF at that time was more of a ploy by Vince McMahon to get The Rock to come back and make an appearance?
1994 Arnold Skaaland: One-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion and long-time manager in WWF.
1994 Bobo Brazil: Four time WWWF United States Champion, one-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion and held over thirty NWA regional titles.
1994 "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers: One-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion and first WWWF World Heavyweight Champion.
1994 Chief Jay Strongbow: Four-time WWWF/WWF World Tag Team Champion.
1994 "Classy" Freddie Blassie: Held over thirty NWA regional championships. Long-time manager in WWF.
1994 Gorilla Monsoon: Two-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion. Former WWF announcer and onscreen President.
1994 James Dudley: First African American to run a major arena in the United States.
1995 Antonino Rocca: One-time WWF International Heavyweight Champion.
1995 "Big Cat" Ernie Ladd: Also a member of the WCW Hall of Fame, won several NWA regional titles.
1995 George "The Animal" Steele: Also a member of the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame.
1995 Ivan Putski: One-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
1995 The Fabulous Moolah: Three time (and first) WWF Women's Champion prior to her induction. She won the title a fourth time four years after her induction and still holds the record for the longest single reign.
1995 The Grand Wizard: Long time heel manager in WWF.
1995 Pedro Morales: One time WWWF World Heavyweight Champion, first WWF Triple Crown Champion.
1996 "Baron" Mikel Scicluna: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion.
1996 "Captain" Lou Albano: One time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion. As a manager, he lead fifteen different tag teams and four singles wrestlers to various championships
1996 Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka: One time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, two-time NWA World Tag Team Champion and first ECW Heavyweight Champion.
1996 Johnny Rodz: Wrestled in WWF for nearly two decades.
1996 Killer Kowalski: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion, held seventeen NWA regional championships.
1996 Pat Patterson: One-time and first WWF Intercontinental Champion, one-time AWA World Tag Team Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
1996 Vincent J. McMahon: Founder of and long time promoter for World Wrestling Entertainment.
2004 Big John Studd: One-time WWWF World Tag Team Champion, held a dozen NWA regional championships.
2004 Don Muraco: Two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion. First winner of the King of the Ring.
2004 Greg "The Hammer" Valentine: Two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, four-time NWA World Tag Team Champion, one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2004 Harley Race: Eight-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time and first NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, three-time AWA World Tag Team Champion and WWF King of the Ring winner in 1986.
2004 Jesse "The Body" Ventura: One-time AWA World Tag Team Champion. Former commentator in WWF.
2004 Junkyard Dog: Held fifteen championships while wrestling in "Cowboy" Bill Watts' Mid-South Wrestling Association including, four reigns as Mid-South North American Heavyweight Champion.
2004 Sgt. Slaughter: One-time WWF Champion and two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion
2004 "Superstar" Billy Graham: One-time WWWF World Heavyweight Champion.
2004 Tito Santana: Two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and two-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2004 Bobby "The Brain" Heenan: Former commentator and long-time manager in WWF.
2004 Pete Rose: Celebrity inductee.
2005 Hulk Hogan: Six-time WWF/E Champion and six-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion.
2005 "Rowdy" Roddy Piper: Two-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, held over two dozen NWA regional championships and one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion. Host of Piper's Pit.
2005 "Cowboy" Bob Orton: Held numerous NWA regional titles.
2005 Jimmy Hart: Long-time manager in WWF.
2005 "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff: Four-time NWA National Heavyweight Champion and two-time WCW World Tag Team Champion.
2005 Nikolai Volkoff: Three-time WWWF International Tag Team Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2005 The Iron Sheik: One-time WWF Champion and one-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2006 Bret "The Hitman" Hart: Five-time WWF Champion, two-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, two-time WWF Intecontinental Champion and two-time WWF Tag Team Champion.
2006 Eddie Guerrero: One-time WWE Champion, two-time WCW/WWE United States Champion and two-time WWE Intercontinental Champion.
2006 "Mean" Gene Okerlund: Long-time AWA, WCW, and WWF/E interviewer and announcer.
2006 "Sensational" Sherri: One-time WWF Women's Champion and four-time AWA World Women's Champion. Former manager.
2006 Verne Gagne: Co-founder of the American Wrestling Association, Ten-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion and four-time AWA World Tag Team Champion.
2006 "Mr. USA" Tony Atlas: One-time WWF Tag Team Champion, half of the first African American WWF World Tag Team Championship winning duo with Rocky Johnson.
2006 William "The Refrigerator" Perry: Celebrity inductee.
2007 "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes: Three-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, two-time NWA World Tag Team Champion and held over forty NWA regional championships.
2007 "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig: One-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion, one-time AWA World Tag Team Champion, two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion and one-time WCW United States Heavyweight Champion.
2007 Jerry "The King" Lawler: One-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion, thirty-time AWA Southern Heavyweight Champion, three-time WCWA World Heavyweight Champion and current color commentator for Raw.
2007 Nick Bockwinkel: Six-time AWA World Heavyweight Champion and three-time AWA World Tag Team Champion.
2007 Mr. Fuji: Five-time WWWF/WWF World Tag Team Champion. Former manager.
2007 The Sheik: Two-time WWWF United States Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
2007 Jim Ross: Long time lead announcer for WWF/E, WCW and other regional promotions. Head of WWF Talent Relations throughout the Attitude Era and signed many well known superstars.
2008 "Nature Boy" Ric Flair: Two-time WWF Champion, eight-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion,and ten-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion.Recognized by WWE as a sixteen-time World Heavyweight Champion. Flair was the first active WWE wrestler to be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame.
2008 "High Chief" Peter Maivia: Held more than a dozen NWA regional championships.
2008 "Soulman" Rocky Johnson: One-time WWF World Tag Team Champion, half of the first African American WWF World Tag Team Championship winning duo with Tony Atlas.
2008 Mae Young: First ever and one-time NWA United States Women's Champion.
2008 Eddie Graham: Promoter and booker for Championship Wrestling from Florida, held over thirty NWA regional championships including eighteen in CWF.
2008 Gordon Solie: Commentator, announcer and promoter for Championship Wrestling from Florida, later worked for World Championship Wrestling.
2009 Stone Cold Steve Austin: Six-time WWF Champion, four-time WWF Tag Team Champion, two-time WWF Intercontinental Champion, 1996 King of the Ring, three-time Royal Rumble winner (1997, 1998 and 2001).
2009 Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat: One-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, three-time NWA United States Heavyweight Champion, and one-time WWF Intercontinental Champion
2009 "Cowboy" Bill Watts: Former wresting promoter in the mid-south United States, one-time WWWF United States Tag Team Champion and held over twenty NWA regional championships.
2009 Koko B. Ware: Held several NWA regional championships.
2009 Howard Finkel: WWE ring announcer since 1975.
The Valiant Brothers
The Blackjacks
The Wild Samoans
The Brisco Brothers
The Funks
The Von Erichs
Then this year,
Antonio Inoki
"The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase
Wendi Richter
Maurice "Mad Dog" Vachon
I see a few names on there who don't belong. Celebrity inductees? In the Hall of Fame? Why?
Is it a smart move by the WWE to induct so many people every year? And may that explain why there are some unlikely names on the list? Should it be limited to 2 or 3 a year, in staying with a quality > quantity?
And if Owen Hart isn't worthy of being in the Hall of Fame, do you feel that Eddie Guerrero should be there?
Taking into account the more than a dozen NWA titles Peter Maivia held, and the fact Rocky Johnson was part of the first black tag team belt winners, do you think that inducting them into the HoF at that time was more of a ploy by Vince McMahon to get The Rock to come back and make an appearance?
Pete Rose being in the WWE Hall of Fame seems to be done because the MLB barred Pete Rose from ever being in their baseball Hall of Fame.
Owen Hart being in the hall of fame: No he shouldn't be. Honestly his heart was never in pro wrestling. He did it only for the money and to support his family. Eddie Guerrero's life was Pro wrestling. He had a decorated career and many many classic wrestling matches.
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Watch all the videos in entirety and you will know the real Owen Hart.
Owen Hart being in the hall of fame: No he shouldn't be. Honestly his heart was never in pro wrestling. He did it only for the money and to support his family. Eddie Guerrero's life was Pro wrestling. He had a decorated career and many many classic wrestling matches.
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Watch all the videos in entirety and you will know the real Owen Hart.
straight_edge76
Guest
I heard Bret say that around the time of the feud between the two of them he was seriously thinking about quitting the buisness. Which in his case would have been a better choice. I have also heard that him becoming a wrestler wasn't something he had ever wanted to do and he felt like it was forced on him more then anything due to his name.