no its not. all i said was i dont draw lines like yourself and tell ppl they're idiots if their wrestling minds dont fall between them.
When did I call someone an idiot for liking something else? Before, you just walked into an argument not involving you, and didn't know what it was really about. I don't draw lines, I watch TNA/ROH and have seen a few other promotions, what promotion or certain wrestlers here are you trying to point out to me.
it really doesnt matter if he won clean or not. the build and the match made carlito look foolish. and triple h will be walking into raw next week with a shovel and a gravestone with carlito's name on it. this week he beats the tag team champions with a spinebuster in 5min and lays out london and kendrick. what the fuck is the point of that?. he doesnt have to and shouldnt be booked like this. i dont care if you dont think its such big deal. its really fuckin irrelevant. burrying your up can coming stars is not going to help the business thrive. there is no way you can tell me triple h even tried to put carlito over. i wouldnt even say it was a rub, it was rape. and dont give me that "carlito is fucking it up crap". if him being booked to flip apples while watching triple h pwn shit out of "glorified jobbers" is your idea of carlito fucking it up, then your an idiot.
He didn't "try to", he didn't need to. Carlito being in a feud alone with TRIPLE H gained him credibility, that's the thing. Now, Carlito needing this credibility at this point in his career is a WHOLE nother story.
your view on what works in the wrestling business is pretty minute and deluded if you ask me. wwe's booking is the only thing that seems to resonate amongst you.
No, 75% of the time I'm only speaking the WWE, because I know how that business works for the most part. I may seem somewhat arrogant or one sided as well, but WWE is my favorite company, I watch TNA, and I sometimes watch ROH, plus many others. I don't see where you are concluding this logic and 'complete understanding' on me from.
i understand his mic work is terrible and doesnt have much charisma. but so is batista, so why is he over? because triple h went out of his way to put him over and make him look like a legitimate star. shelton doesnt have the mic work or the charisma to carry himself. but if you let him do what he wants in the ring, possibly give him a mouthpiece, and have someone like triple h go out of there way to make him look like a legitimate star (and i dont mean just letting him pin you twice on a weekly show) i think it could work. it doesnt make much sense to be so general to the point where you dont even try to look at the subtleties.
Because Batista has big muscles and was also in the right place at the right time and was given a GOLDEN storyline which they fucked up with Orton. And yes, I know I suggested Coach be his mouth piece a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago, roughly 1-2 years ago on the old forum because I was really high on him too, but now look at him... so don't try to say I don't look at subtleties the only thing I was arguing is that he wasn't ready to be a main eventer at the time and still isn't. Putting work into him could succeed, but if the WWE isn't doing it, they obviously don't see what you (or me to an extent) see in him, and which I agree he seems very green sometimes although I have seen him cut decent promos, he's one of the best mat wrestlers of all time, he hardly botches, athetlic as hell, can do some amazing spots. He's pretty much Jeff Hardy, mainly why the reason the fans don't give a shit about him. When Jeff Hardy came back, Shelton didn't matter anymore. Also, don't forget the fact that someone DID go out of his way for Shelton and that was Kurt Angle during the Team Angle times, I think they could of made that better, but he was still given constant pushes and put into places with the biggest names in the business. Then at one point I thought HBK would continue a longer feud with him... but sadly, it was very stupid and short and just a way to get him heel, which did nothing.
is that putting him over? no. and i would totally disagree with what you are saying here. cena was a big deal (even bigger than triple h..) before he even stepped in the ring with him. do you seriously think he gained more exposure and sold merchandise after their feud?
Yes. That's like saying Cena going over Hogan or The Rock would do nothing for his career.
everyone of those guys you named were over and were legitimate stars before they even stepped in the ring with triple h. how the fuck can you put over someone who is already over? ill give you mick foley as him elevating his status somewhat. but putting him over? bullshit.
There's not always one set goal and one set level of restriction for 'putting someone over' you're being very one sided on such a subjective term, you should know better to do that when speaking about the professional wrestling business. Triple H greatly helped establish all of those guys and that's all that matters.
bullshit thats an exaggeration. i see your point for most 2002, but from late 02 to 05 he held the top spot. during this time he was handed the whc. and during this time, who else but hbk was made to look like a legitimate star who belonged in the ring with triple?
Goldberg? And also Chris Benoit, but that's arguable since his credibility was probably lost losing clean to Orton.
as if him being in his prime justifies him putting over no one besides his good pals. both rvd and booker could have been made into legitimate stars during this period. instead they were booked to look as if they were not buyable threats to triple h and didnt even belong in the ring with him.
What do you expect... for him to job to anyone? And if he doesn't then he's a bad, bad man? Seriously, you can't put over everyone like I just said... and that seems to be the way you are looking at this. If you are trying to say that he didn't do his job in the ring, that's bullshit, he's one of the greatest in ring wrestling heels of all time, he made his opponents look godly EVERY time (even fucking GOLDBERG and SCOTT STEINER).
lol @ triple h letting shelton pin him on 2 occasions while not culvinating into any sort of prolounged feud being a perfect put-over. and your right it does depend circumstances. but what were circumstances here, shelton pins triple h on raw? they had a chance to protrude shelton's legitimacy but nothing happened. it culminated into nothing. he didnt put him over, it was a rub at best.
Dude.. the only reason there wasn't a fucking feud was because he was ALREADY feuding with Benoit, ffs, how do you expect him to just start a different feud. I'm not saying it couldn't have been a more potential put over, it could of, but it was a nice way to throw another guy into the feud real quick and give him a jump start on his career, which I would definitely consider a put over, why wouldn't you? Also, I think Shelton could of been a better replacement for Maven in the whole Survivor Series angle and what not, but yeah, it's a matter of what the WWE sees in him, you're making it all out to be Triple H's fault like he runs the business. It's all overexaggerated, no factual based internet wrestling politics which is thrown around so easily nowadays as you prove.
