I agree, he won't take the ball and run with it well. You know it's purposely talking shit because he is your dude, it'd be like you trolling me with how great Ryder did last night....since I legit marked my ass off for his return.
Royal Rumble Give me one good reason why Bryan deserved to win the Rumble?
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I give it to Snow snow and him and I text bout football all day. I hook Dat Kid production up with a donation, I give Arab NBA, and then I gotta read what type of person I am from people that don't know me, period.
If you want MLB, I'll give ya my account but we gonna have to talk more baseball sometime.
Without going through 7 pages of whatever I will say Bryan did not deserve to win the Rumble, he did however deserve to make it into the final 5 left in the ring.
I would kill to chat more baseball, we are basically two of three people here who watch the first half. Let me know when Spring Training starts and count me in, I'll buy or set up an FTP server you can get some gaming off me for.
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Yeah man, not alot of people even in my real life that like baseball so it'll be cool to be able to watch and chat with ya bout it. I'll hit ya up for sure in ST
Thank god. I'm the same here, every fucking year I have to hang out solo for ST, and then the bandwagon comes, and I end up talking shit for the last two months while people move back to the winners.
Seriously I'm glad the Pack lost, it puts a ton of pressure off of Mil, because in WI that makes sense. FFS. Just keep your collegiate football opinions off my body Danielson.
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Can't say that I'm surprised Bryan didn't win, but I am surprised by just how quickly and unceremoniously he was eliminated. I mean, they could at least pretend that this guy is the same guy who main evented Wrestlemania just last year and not treat him like he's some Curtis Axel-level nobody. I'm pretty sure at least 85-90% of the participants in the match lasted longer than he did.
OK, that said, I don't completely hate the fact that Reigns won. Yes, Bryan should have won as he's still the most over guy and him vs Lesnar is arguably the biggest money-match that they could have done (and if the backlash continues, that's probably what we'll end up getting at Mania regardless), but at least with Reigns we know they're trying to create a new star unlike with Batista last year. As for the arguments that he isn't "ready", you could have said the same thing about Batista himself in 2005 (how many singles matches did he have on PPV before then? All of two?) and look what he became. Ryback would have become a star, too, if he had beat Punk at HIAC 2012 and then been subsequently booked as a strong babyface champion. Hopefully this reaction was just a Philly thing and doesn't continue with the rest of the crowds.
OK, that said, I don't completely hate the fact that Reigns won. Yes, Bryan should have won as he's still the most over guy and him vs Lesnar is arguably the biggest money-match that they could have done (and if the backlash continues, that's probably what we'll end up getting at Mania regardless), but at least with Reigns we know they're trying to create a new star unlike with Batista last year. As for the arguments that he isn't "ready", you could have said the same thing about Batista himself in 2005 (how many singles matches did he have on PPV before then? All of two?) and look what he became. Ryback would have become a star, too, if he had beat Punk at HIAC 2012 and then been subsequently booked as a strong babyface champion. Hopefully this reaction was just a Philly thing and doesn't continue with the rest of the crowds.
In fairness, most would argue Batista was more over and had more pure momentum than Reigns has this year.
I wanted to raise the Batista point as well, but that guy had been working HHH for sometime prior to the Rumble win.
HHH had the world in the palm of his hand and people were clamoring for Batista to take it to the Game.
The payoff for Lesnar finally losing was always going to be for Roman Reigns.
It's Reigns who has the potential to be a media huge star. This is why the move was made. Bryan is a wrestling superstar, while Reigns has the ability to be a pop icon.
Stopspot wins again.
This shouldn't have been a "Bryan or nobody" type of year like it was last year. They didn't spend the last 6 months beating up their top babyface just to never plan a payoff. Now, Bryan was made for life after last year. There's no need for him to win the title this year, too. Hell, on paper it's far superior to let Bryan wrestle a compelling match against another opponent, because after ALL they've put into Lesnar. Beating the Streak. Demolishing Cena. Going full Hulk mode here, it all needs to be put into creating a brand new star.
Now here's my question to you: who's the new star you're putting over here? It's not Reigns.
This shouldn't have been a "Bryan or nobody" type of year like it was last year. They didn't spend the last 6 months beating up their top babyface just to never plan a payoff. Now, Bryan was made for life after last year. There's no need for him to win the title this year, too. Hell, on paper it's far superior to let Bryan wrestle a compelling match against another opponent, because after ALL they've put into Lesnar. Beating the Streak. Demolishing Cena. Going full Hulk mode here, it all needs to be put into creating a brand new star.
Now here's my question to you: who's the new star you're putting over here? It's not Reigns.
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is this fucking guy still talking shit ITT?
Jesus Christ, I dropped it when Punk asked nicely.
Yes but the problem with this is that only some crowds are rowdy for Reigns where practically every crowd is for Bryan.
That's not how it worked with the Rock, though. Rocky Maivia was shoved down the fans' throats and there wasn't an arena where "Die, Rocky die" or "Rocky Sucks" didn't echo throughout the place. So, WWF did the only thing they could, switched him to a heel and removed him from the main event scene and did exactly what they should be doing with Reigns right now: let the fans grow to love him by not trying to make them love him.
I've no doubt at all that Reigns is capable of being a huge star. But in the 30 years I've been watching wrestling, there are two undeniable facts: Ric Flair will wooo each time on camera and fans will reject a wrestler if they feel the promoters are trying to force them to love him. The best thing they could do is keep Reigns on the singles scene, give him an IC title run and let the fans gradually warm up to him. People keep thinking I and others who didn't want Reigns to win are anti Reigns and that's just not the case. Moreso than wanting Daniel Bryan to win, I want Roman Reigns to develop in the appropriate way where he has a chance at longevity. This method of pushing him is not going to do that.
The purest fact here is this: we can sit here and argue all week over who deserves the push more. Regardless of what we say, It's obvious to anyone with even one out of five senses that the majority of the fan base wants Daniel Bryan over Roman Reigns. The majority of the fan base is pissed that Reigns is getting the spot over Daniel Bryan, regardless of whether he deserves it or not. And the majority of the fan base is going to point that anger at Roman Reigns regardless of whether he deserves it or not (and for the record, he does not deserve to be treated as poorly by the fans as he is being treated). So at the end of the day, people who like Reigns think this is good for him. But it's not. if the people who like Reigns actually care about what happens to him, then you should be concerned because the only thing WWE is doing for him right now is sacrificing him to an unhappy fan base.
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Batista was barely even over until late 2004. I remember a guy amusingly holding up a sign at Survivor Series 2004 that read, "Hahaha, Batista can't get over." It was only when they started teasing around December him turning on Triple H and breaking away from Evolution that he started getting massive cheers week after week. And by the time the Rumble and Wrestlemania arrived, Batista was over like rover and HHH putting him over clean three PPVs in a row made him into a bonafide main event superstar. Reigns has actually been over as a singles competitor for a longer stretch of time than Batista was before he was pushed to the moon, so it's not hard to see why WWE were confident that the fan-base would accept Reigns as the next guy. One of the issues was that if Bryan wasn't gonna win the Rumble, then he shouldn't have even been in it. And since he was only officially cleared to wrestle a month ago, they could have easily held off his return until after the Rumble, and then a rowdy crowd like Philadelphia (ironic that it's called "The City Of Brotherly Love" lol) wouldn't get their hopes up for Bryan winning it in the first place.