@ Deezy: I said the most credible guy Punk has beaten has been since stepping away from Cena last year, has been Kane, as Kane is always believable and credible at the flip of a switch, and even then the wins over Kane have been screwy and overshadowed greatly by AJ. I said Jericho as Punks WM opponent was a a terrible choice to cement him as a win over Jeticho doesn't matter, elevate, or cement anyone because of ow he takes losses to guys like JTG and Kofi; that is why he is never a true main eventer or talked about in the same breath as the other world champs, so they should have gotten Punk better for Mania. I said that ADR isn't credible because snapping the arm of Chrisiannand Rey is cool, but he hit a wall with the way the Edge stuff went down and wasn't over anyhow. I said Bryanisnt credible because he hasn't beat anyone that matters really besides the fluke cash in, as weeks before Henry and Show were raping him as were Wade, Cody, and every mid card act on SD; then they topped it off with the 18 seconds and fact he lost to a elbow drop from Punk unlike no one eke and hasn't beat Kane either.
@ Dale
1 - Never said it was Punks fault, said that was on wwe for the guys they handed him. It wouldn't hurt for him to politic though and fog to brass and say he want x and x guy and truly press them as he reportedly has some clout now.
2 - Edge; the guy who was one of the top pillars of SD and the company. Randy as well as he and HHH all put in great time putting him over with the Age of Orton stick. I'm saying Cena can make you look good and unstoppable and it can help you even if you don't get the W as it did for Carlito and Umaga for instance, both of whom hurt their own pushes. Lashley was also hot off the match with Cena but Kristal and Hayes happened. Cena can't control how Umaga and Carlito act or behave and adhere to not bitching in public or failing drug tests, but he did his part with them. He can't control how a bigot writer and guys wife interact but he did his part with Lashley. He also helped Miz believe it or not as the whole character change came from that speech Cena gave Miz on tv and that beating, and then Miz took those words and used them as motivation to change and prove him wrong.
3 - They booked themselves in a corner with the match begin made a year ahead. Why would Cena enter the rumble or the chamber? They never thought about that and had to give him something, which was Kane. Kane going to a draw with Cena and laying him out as well as playing mind games was effective to bring him back on tv masked, and it worked to show he was serious and evil once again, which is why he was the hunter and not the hunted when he fought Randy the next month and won. As for Show, it just worked out for Show from a believability standpoint. Cena, Super Cena need 5 guys and the owner to help him beat one man, and in the grand scale it says a lot to the audience about how unstoppable Show can be when he doesn't in his own words "have to tame himself". Just like Cena needing a chain shot to the temple to put Brock out for 3 seconds, not even keep him down made Brock look like a savage that no one else could handle in the back. It's just imagery for the casuals and kids, and you should know that as we were them when Hogan steamrolled or Austin in 98 and so on, or HhH in 03 (I don't know how old you are mind you).
Cena and Alberto have barely been on Raw that long. ADR came to SD with the brand split going in fully fret. Their paths wouldn't cross. Then they did for a bit last summer/fall but he had already had a little mini thing with Truth and Miz. Then Del Rio got hurt and Cena already had Rock scheduled. It isn't like the opportunity has always been there for those two. As for Dolph, he just even started to step out this year at the rumble on his own by putting his ring work, character, and mic work together. It's always been Vickie centric for him. I think he and Cena could do a program easily, and I think Dolph could come out of it looking good despite him needing a few tweaks. Again though it's hard to put it on him when guys like Dolph and Del Rio haven't been offered as opponents for him because of their location (ADR) or their direction (Dolph) for title paths and stuff.
4 - It helps. The same way Jeff Hardy slowly was transitioned to the forefront of SD over HHH needs to be applied. Jeff was painted as getting closer, closer, that much better, learning from his mistakes, and becoming more complete. Then he hit the big one and the crowd went wild. Use that sequence for Punk. Have Cena win, then have Punk get closer and close, and then let them have a "iron man" match for example. In said match, let Punk to over clean after a 30-60 minute war. Have Cena post match shake his hand and acknowledge him like Trips did Jeff, and the crowd will say damn punk is great, including the casuals.
After that has all happened you book him right. You book the feuds like you booked Trips, Cena, Dave, Edge, and so on .... title first. Make him the champ who everyone wants to beat and the title what everyone needs to have, their drug of choice as Austin once said in 2002 when he gave his I'm a drug addict speech. Too often now the title hasn't even been at the forefront of anything Punk related. It wasn't mentioned with Jericho often, isn't mentioned now over AJ, and hasn't been in a long time which devalues his reign and run. Ask yourself how many times Jericho mentioned the belt, Bryan, Kane, the announcers? That needs to change as well on the part of creative and when it does Punks reign will mean more, and hatter having some real big wins under his belt, just putting on a good showing or stealing a win will be big when it comes to him.
It ain't all Punks fault, not even mostly, but there is a problem with what is going on and things need to be rest. Cena is a huge asset because he is the guy, and he truly gets the importance of letting a guy have a good fight in or taking the right loss at the right time. They come few and far between sure but that is the way it is supposed to be and the age old formula Trips, Taker, Austin, Rock and so on have all followed. I'm not even saying drop Punk down the card or the totem of the ladder, just reignite that fire and make people take notice and follow thru this time after a reset
