Big Daddy V/Viscera Dead at 43

[Aids Johnson]

Not surprised to be honest, the guy was obese as fuck. RIP anyhows.

This. He should have gotten on a diet and had his stomachs stapled if he wanted to live any longer. RIP son, you probably never planned past 40.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Well, the Kliq proved that they could change Vince's mind more often than not and get their own way. That's what politcking is. It didn't hurt that the mid-90's WWF wasn't exactly the most prosperous era in the company's history (the exact opposite, actually... some refer to it as the dark ages of the WWF for a reason) and since three of the company's biggest stars at the time (Michaels, Diesel, Razor Ramon) comprised of 3/5 of the group, it's easy to see why it wouldn't be hard for them to get Vince to do most things the way they wanted them done. What was he going to do? Punish them? Fire them? It still frustrates many stars to this day what Vince let them (and especially Shawn Michaels, his rumored homosexual relationship with him notwithstanding) get away with.

And what about Bret? He's a victim of the politics himself. Both when Hulk Hogan refused to job to him in 1993 as well as when Michaels was supposed to drop the world title back to him at Wrestlemania 13, but refused.

not really if vince really wanted he could have fir HBK,Razon, and or Diesel but he choice not to. vince can do what he wanted he the boss! The thing he he did not wanted going to WCW that all. But what I mean about Bret is during the time u said the Kliq had all the power that really did not the had the power over mid card who wanted get over but not guy like Bret Hart cleanly in 1994-1996 was the main guy. And yes he could punish he did it to HHH he could have done it to the other member too. As for Hogan the not true WWE wanted to put the belt on Younahua that why that had the match at KOTR. And it was 1994 not 1993. There was plan by critive to have a Hogan-Breat match at SummerSlam 1994 but that chic not to b/c that did not know Hogan would stay for SummerSlam since contact with WWF ended shortly after KOTR so that have him lose the belt to there instead and had Younhata win the belt on that night since a 3 way match was a dream in eye at that time. Still waiting to hear who was that dam camana man who burn hogan eye!? :annoyed:

 

[Cloud]

RIP Viscera. Always sad news seemed a top bloke as well.

 

[Lockard 23]

not really if vince really wanted he could have fir HBK,Razon, and or Diesel but he choice not to. vince can do what he wanted he the boss! The thing he he did not wanted going to WCW that all. But what I mean about Bret is during the time u said the Kliq had all the power that really did not the had the power over mid card who wanted get over but not guy like Bret Hart cleanly in 1994-1996 was the main guy. And yes he could punish he did it to HHH he could have done it to the other member too. As for Hogan the not true WWE wanted to put the belt on Younahua that why that had the match at KOTR. And it was 1994 not 1993. There was plan by critive to have a Hogan-Breat match at SummerSlam 1994 but that chic not to b/c that did not know Hogan would stay for SummerSlam since contact with WWF ended shortly after KOTR so that have him lose the belt to there instead and had Younhata win the belt on that night since a 3 way match was a dream in eye at that time. Still waiting to hear who was that dam camana man who burn hogan eye!? :annoyed:

Um, no. That was the 1993 King Of The Ring, not 1994. The inaugural KOTR ('93) was built off the fact that it was Hogan's first title defense since he won the belt again at Wrestlemania 9. You really think Hogan jobbed to Yokozuna and then showed up and beat Flair for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship the very next month? He was filming Thunder In Paradise for a whole year in between, trying to get his movie/television career going. And the Hogan/Bret feud was planned for Summerslam 1993, not '94. Again, Hogan was in WCW in the summer of '94. By that time, Bret was already world champion himself again, having won it from Yokozuna in the main event of Wrestlemania 10.

As for Vince punishing HHH, that's because he was always considered the "runt" of the group. It's said by many that he even used to carry the other Kliq members' bags into the building for them. So yeah, when the hammer had to fall, it was him who ended up taking the hit. And yeah, like you said, Vince wasn't about to go and fire some of his top stars, that's absurd. That's how they got away with so much shit, because they knew they usually were not gonna face much (or any) punishment.

 

[Wacokid27]

RIP, Big Daddy V. I'll always envy him his pajamas.

wk

 

[Wacokid27]

As for Vince punishing HHH, that's because he was always considered the "runt" of the group. It's said by many that he even used to carry the other Kliq members' bags into the building for them. So yeah, when the hammer had to fall, it was him who ended up taking the hit. And yeah, like you said, Vince wasn't about to go and fire some of his top stars, that's absurd. That's how they got away with so much shit, because they knew they usually were not gonna face much (or any) punishment.

Let's not forget that, not only was he the "runt", he was also the most touchable. While HHH was being punished for the MSG Incident, Hall and Nash were gone and HBK was a main eventer. HHH was the only one he could really get away with punishing. He ate a ton of shit over that, too.

wk

 

[Nick]

Um, no. That was the 1993 King Of The Ring, not 1994. The inaugural KOTR ('93) was built off the fact that it was Hogan's first title defense since he won the belt again at Wrestlemania 9. You really think Hogan jobbed to Yokozuna and then showed up and beat Flair for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship the very next month? He was filming Thunder In Paradise for a whole year in between, trying to get his movie/television career going. And the Hogan/Bret feud was planned for Summerslam 1993, not '94. Again, Hogan was in WCW in the summer of '94. By that time, Bret was already world champion himself again, having won it from Yokozuna in the main event of Wrestlemania 10.

As for Vince punishing HHH, that's because he was always considered the "runt" of the group. It's said by many that he even used to carry the other Kliq members' bags into the building for them. So yeah, when the hammer had to fall, it was him who ended up taking the hit. And yeah, like you said, Vince wasn't about to go and fire some of his top stars, that's absurd. That's how they got away with so much shit, because they knew they usually were not gonna face much (or any) punishment.

HHH carried the bags? Not X-Pac? Interesting...

Things worked out better with HHH being punished, as it led to the Austin 3:16 deal IIRC

 

[Wacokid27]

HHH carried the bags? Not X-Pac? Interesting...

Things worked out better with HHH being punished, as it led to the Austin 3:16 deal IIRC

They viewed HHH as someone who needed "initiation" and a guy who could go on to be good.

They saw Waltman as their "pet". So they spoiled him, you know, like a rich chick and her chihuahua.

wk

 

[Stopspot]

HHH carried the bags? Not X-Pac? Interesting...

Things worked out better with HHH being punished, as it led to the Austin 3:16 deal IIRC

Yeah Hunter carried the bags. He also apparently drove them. He was the runt and lowest ranking member at the time since he was the newest member.

 

[Super Saiyan Goku]

Um, no. That was the 1993 King Of The Ring, not 1994. The inaugural KOTR ('93) was built off the fact that it was Hogan's first title defense since he won the belt again at Wrestlemania 9. You really think Hogan jobbed to Yokozuna and then showed up and beat Flair for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship the very next month? He was filming Thunder In Paradise for a whole year in between, trying to get his movie/television career going. And the Hogan/Bret feud was planned for Summerslam 1993, not '94. Again, Hogan was in WCW in the summer of '94. By that time, Bret was already world champion himself again, having won it from Yokozuna in the main event of Wrestlemania 10.

As for Vince punishing HHH, that's because he was always considered the "runt" of the group. It's said by many that he even used to carry the other Kliq members' bags into the building for them. So yeah, when the hammer had to fall, it was him who ended up taking the hit. And yeah, like you said, Vince wasn't about to go and fire some of his top stars, that's absurd. That's how they got away with so much shit, because they knew they usually were not gonna face much (or any) punishment.

ok yes was 1993 I got mix it up. But the plan was for him to lose in King of the Ring b/c Vince wanted Yokozuna to be WWE Champion so the Bret vs. Hogan match was scat! That is a fact. Crevie wanted Bret vs. Hogan at SS but Vince did not! And Vince make the final call as we all know that for a fact! And Hogan contact was ending and it ending shortly after KOFR PPV which is why that had the title with Yokozuna at KOFR and not SummerSlam b/c Hogan did not wanted right sign so that play apart in to. That could have had Bret face Hogan at KOTF PPV but Vince wanted Yokozuna to be WWE Champion so that what have been. It has nothing to with what u said it HHH carry bag but that did mean that were going fuck with Bret! Bret from 1993-1994 was clearly the main guy Idk how u can't see that!? Ban Ban Balow even said it in a inveiw one the Kliq only fuck with people that KNEW that could fuck with as in lower mid card. U really thing the Kliq was going to fuck with Hogan, Bret, and or U.Warrior? Yeah I think not!

 

[Storm Bryant]

R.I.P/

 

[Lockard 23]

ok yes was 1993 I got mix it up. But the plan was for him to lose in King of the Ring b/c Vince wanted Yokozuna to be WWE Champion so the Bret vs. Hogan match was scat! That is a fact. Crevie wanted Bret vs. Hogan at SS but Vince did not! And Vince make the final call as we all know that for a fact! And Hogan contact was ending and it ending shortly after KOFR PPV which is why that had the title with Yokozuna at KOFR and not SummerSlam b/c Hogan did not wanted right sign so that play apart in to. That could have had Bret face Hogan at KOTF PPV but Vince wanted Yokozuna to be WWE Champion so that what have been. It has nothing to with what u said it HHH carry bag but that did mean that were going fuck with Bret! Bret from 1993-1994 was clearly the main guy Idk how u can't see that!? Ban Ban Balow even said it in a inveiw one the Kliq only fuck with people that KNEW that could fuck with as in lower mid card. U really thing the Kliq was going to fuck with Hogan, Bret, and or U.Warrior? Yeah I think not!

I really don't see how the discussion got to this point and don't care to continue debating it. All I said was that The Kliq played politics and that even if Mabel hadn't had a knack for injuring people, they likely would have still prevented him from winning the championship. That's what politics are - swaying the minds and opinions of the people in charge to get them to do things that benefit you over others. And it doesn't always have to be a case of going straight up to the boss himself (Vince) and begging him to change his mind. It also involves convincing the writers/bookers/agents/officials/etc. to change their minds, who in turn then have an influence on Vince. Denying that the Kliq could politic their way to certain spots or stop the push of others just because they weren't the people in charge is like denying that politics even exist in the wrestling business. I mean, you bring up Bigelow's quote about the Kliq only fucking with people whom they know they can fuck with? You don't think someone like Mabel fits that criteria?

And what does Bret being a big star in his own right have to do with anything? That doesn't prevent you from being a victim of politics, as Michaels himself found out during his rivalry with Hogan in 2005.

 

[Championship Material]

I loved the way he said "Lillian Garcia." It was like "Leeellian Garrrrcia" ... R.I.P.

 

[Pop Tatari]

He was a big guy so no real surprise, RIP.

 

[BrockLesnarFanForLife]

Ive read news today saying he had no life insurance and now his family cant pay for his funeral so their asking for fans to donate to a fund to help. Why the fuck did he not have life insurance? a man of his size was bound to have health problems and he didnt think to cover himself with getting insurance