Best WrestleMania Final Four: WrestleMania XIX vs WrestleMania XXX

[Chris]

Oh now you wanna look at the whole card instead of just the main matches but didn't for XX vs 21

But I agree, I try and rate shows by quality of matches and then time the match took up, so if the worst shit was shorter then it gets ignored but if it takes up time that's when it starts to matter. And likewise if the longest matches tend to be the best then I enjoy the shows more.

 

[Smart Marx]

Oh now you wanna look at the whole card instead of just the main matches but didn't for XX vs 21

But I agree, I try and rate shows by quality of matches and then time the match took up, so if the worst shit was shorter then it gets ignored but if it takes up time that's when it starts to matter. And likewise if the longest matches tend to be the best then I enjoy the shows more.

I wasn’t the one making that argument. I said earlier I don’t like much of 21’s card. I actually like a good chunk of the XX card. Although, some mains are vastly superior to others and make a good case for the show. I’d make that argument about Rock/Hogan. Just a magical match and Mania moment.

Agreed. I think time plays a big factor in which match is worse. Chyna hits a few big moves and pins her in less than 3 minutes. I’d much rather have what amounts to be a storyline segment over a 10-minute slog that bogs down your show.

That said, let’s just stick to it at least being better than the Miller Lite Cat Fight since they’re both more segment than match. That still leaves that horrendous Handicap match being the worst thing in XIX that X-Seven has no equal.

I’ll be honest it’s hard fighting against a show you think is the second best show in the event’s history. But, I do strongly believe it’s second best.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

I wasn’t the one making that argument. I said earlier I don’t like much of 21’s card. I actually like a good chunk of the XX card. Although, some mains are vastly superior to others and make a good case for the show. I’d make that argument about Rock/Hogan. Just a magical match and Mania moment.

Agreed. I think time plays a big factor in which match is worse. Chyna hits a few big moves and pins her in less than 3 minutes. I’d much rather have what amounts to be a storyline segment over a 10 slog that Bigs down your show.

That said, let’s just stick to it at least being better than the Miller Lite Cat Fight since they’re both more segment than match. That still leaves that horrendous Handicap match being the worst thing in XIX that X-Seven has no equal. :stephena

I’ll be honest it’s hard fighting against a show you think is the second best show in the event’s history. But, I do strongly believe it’s second best.

The right to censor tag match is just as bad.



EDIT: I say this with love, Smark. Don't h8 me plz.

 

[Chris]

I'd argue the 6 man RTC match was worse than the handicap match as well to be fair but we should probably hold off on this until the actual final thread lol

 

[Smart Marx]

The ROTC tag is way more fun. No even close.

It’s probably weakest match on the card, not as bad Taker and Train on a Mania card.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

The ROTC tag is way more fun. No even close.

It’s probably weakest match on the card, not as bad Taker and Train on a Mania card.

C'mon man. Taker/Show & Train is mediocre, for realz. Have you rewatched it recently?

 

[Smart Marx]

I'd argue the 6 man RTC match was worse than the handicap match as well to be fair but we should probably hold off on this until the actual final thread lol

Someone always has to skip to the last page.

 

[Smart Marx]

C'mon man. Taker/Show & Train is mediocre, for realz. Have you rewatched it recently?

I have and it even comes with an awful Nathan Jones run in.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

I have and it even comes with an awful Nathan Jones run in.

Don't know what to tell you then.

 

[Chris]

I have and it even comes with an awful Nathan Jones run in.

Way better than if he was actually booked to be 'Taker's tag partner like the original plan Then it probably would have been worse the the X-Seven 6-man for sure.

 

[Smart Marx]

Y’all smoking crack if you’re trying to defend that handicap match. : smh

 

[Chris]

Y’all smoking crack if you’re trying to defend that handicap match. : smh

I could say the same about you trying to defend that 6-man I ain't saying it's good by any means, it's trash...just better than the 6-man

 

[Smart Marx]

I could say the same about you trying to defend that 6-man I ain't saying it's good by any means, it's trash...just better than the 6-man

I said it’s the weakest match on the card, but in no way is it worse than A-TRAIN wrestling Taker on a Mania card. The 6-man is at least just a fun brawl to get those guys on the card. I don’t feel like pulling my teeth like I do watching that 19 abomination.

I also have to point out you didn’t even mention it when I asked for worse matches. Don’t let Grim move the goal posts.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

I said it’s the weakest match on the card, but in no way is it worse than A-TRAIN wrestling Taker on a Mania card. The 6-man is at least just a fun brawl to get those guys on the card. I don’t feel like pulling my teeth like I do watching that 19 abomination.

I also have to point out you didn’t even mention it when I asked for worse matches. Don’t let Grim move the goal posts.

It's not that fucking bad, Smark. That is quite the exaggeration.

 

[Chris]

I said it’s the weakest match on the card, but in no way is it worse than A-TRAIN wrestling Taker on a Mania card. The 6-man is at least just a fun brawl to get those guys on the card. I don’t feel like pulling my teeth like I do watching that 19 abomination.

I also have to point out you didn’t even mention it when I asked for worse matches. Don’t let Grim move the goal posts.

I made my post right after Grim mentioned it, didn't see his until mine was posted so we kinda said it at the same time. I brought up Chyna/Ivory first bc it's the worst match on X-Seven but the 6-man is bad too. Also if we want to get to the next level matches I'd say the IC, European and Hardcore title matches are all worse than the midcard of XIX, though I don't hate any of them by any means. X-Seven wins with main matches but the mid-card and lower matches on XIX are probably better. Like I said they're super close to me, I think they were numbers 3 and 4 on my list