AEW All Out 2022 Media Scrum and fallout Megathread *DYNAMITE SPOILERS*

[Comrade Khan]

I really do wonder how that match will go and if this is finally gonna be the Okada heel turn I've been craving

 

[Roy Mustang]

DTA is a real thing. I don’t care how trustworthy Moxley is, you don’t keep your belt on a guy that’s no longer under contract. It’s really that simple and I can’t understand why anyone is defending Tony’s actions there. As much as I love Tony for his completely awkward behaviour (the guy can’t even drink water without it being funny) he’s in way over his head with the running of the business and should really hire people that know what they’re doing. Those people should also not be sycophants that line up to praise him every chance they get on Twitter, or anywhere else for that matter.

I deal with multi-millionaire trust fund goofs like him on a near daily basis, and they’re all the same. It’s both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Again, nothing against the guy himself, because he seems like an alright dude, but the businessman sucks and he’s a detriment to the long term growth potential of his company.

”I am the past, come back to haunt you, Lo Pan.”

- Egg Shen via Six Demon Tapatalk

This acts like AEW hasn't grown under him. It has. I also think he shouldn't trust anyone in this situation too but acting like one bad decision means everything he does is massive hyperbold.

I really do wonder how that match will go and if this is finally gonna be the Okada heel turn I've been craving

isn't he sort of a heel now?

 

[Comrade Khan]

This acts like AEW hasn't grown under him. It has. I also think he shouldn't trust anyone in this situation too but acting like one bad decision means everything he does is massive hyperbold.



isn't he sort of a heel now?

id say he definitely at least a bit of a dick (Okada) but still teetering on overly cocky face and not full on heel. def big timing mofos for sure

 

[Fuji Vice]

How has it grown? It’s not hyperbole when I have no physical proof that it’s turning a profit. No, Tony and Dave saying it does is not enough for me.

Last time I checked, a lot of their attendance figures are lower than before, the video game (which may never come out) has cost them a small fortune, PPV has declined (if the numbers of the last show are to be believed) and there are less eyes on the television product, albeit through Nielsen’s archaic system. I won’t count those, but the trend has seemed to be shifting downwards for some time now.

I want AEW to succeed, and I believe it can, but it will take a massive amount of maturity from the owner to step aside and let others help him. At the very least, I believe he should hire a bunch of experts to run Ring of Honor as a start. If he focuses all of his attention towards AEW, perhaps he’ll see he needs help there as well. I’d remove the “EVP’s” as well, but that ship has probably sailed.

I apologize in advance if this sounds like I’m trying to ruffle anyone’s feathers around here as well. I tend to look at wrestling from the business side more than a lot of people, and I admit that it somehow skews my view of the companies from time to time. However, I do enjoy watching AEW, and would prefer it remain a suitable alternative to WWE.


”I am the past, come back to haunt you, Lo Pan.”

- Egg Shen via Six Demon Tapatalk

 

[Chris]

I can't imagine finding any enjoyment watching wrestling from a business stand point fwiw, I assume that's why your Bryan's and Dave's always seem so miserable lmao and at least they're getting money from it

 

[Comrade Khan]

went from just having ppvs - to having a weekly show - to having two weekly show - to adding a 5th cross over ppv that did over a million gate - to now adding a 3rd show soon - after adding All Access - another property

on the talent side : pretty fucking obvious they have grown - and bought a whole ass other company.

they literally went from tv shirt company to 2nd biggest promotion in the world that keeps getting new products on tv. how have they NOT grown is a better question.

With all due respect, if all you are looking at is tv ratings and making assumptions, you are not exactly arguing in good faith anymore.

 

[Chris]

This is about time start a million extra conversations as all paragraph posts do so I don't want it to get lost that the only thing I took issue with was saying the decision to keep the belt on Moxley resulted in business declining for the generic reason of "don't have your belt on an unsigned talent" which duh everyone should agree with but I'm clearly saying this was a unique situation and I don't understand how this specific one when looking at all the facts could be criticized. I even brought up another example that I did believe was a fuck up and to show how the situations were different

 

[Roy Mustang]

This is about time start a million extra conversations as all paragraph posts do so I don't want it to get lost that the only thing I took issue with was saying the decision to keep the belt on Moxley resulted in business declining for the generic reason of "don't have your belt on an unsigned talent" which duh everyone should agree with but I'm clearly saying this was a unique situation and I don't understand how this specific one when looking at all the facts could be criticized. I even brought up another example that I did believe was a fuck up and to show how the situations were different

That's why I didn't quote tweet you btw cause I agree with your take.

 

[Chris]

That's why I didn't quote tweet you btw cause I agree with your take.

We're not on Twitter ya fuckin' jobber

 

[Roy Mustang]

We're not on Twitter ya fuckin' jobber

FFS. I need a fucking nap

 

[Fuji Vice]

went from just having ppvs - to having a weekly show - to having two weekly show - to adding a 5th cross over ppv that did over a million gate - to now adding a 3rd show soon - after adding All Access - another property

on the talent side : pretty fucking obvious they have grown - and bought a whole ass other company.

they literally went from tv shirt company to 2nd biggest promotion in the world that keeps getting new products on tv. how have they NOT grown is a better question.

With all due respect, if all you are looking at is tv ratings and making assumptions, you are not exactly arguing in good faith anymore.

Growth implies financial growth. Again, prove to me that they’re making more (or any) money and I’ll gladly defer to it. Unfortunately, you can’t, and neither can Tony or he’d be blasting it all over Twitter about 10 times a day, or 30 if Bolivia made a delivery that morning.

Also, I literally said I wasn’t using television ratings as a metric. You can’t just use the “bad faith” argument whenever someone asks real questions instead of just blowing smoke up Tony’s ass.

EDIT: Oh and, by the way, the t-shirt company to second biggest promotion rhetoric needs to stop. Tony’s money instantly made them the number 2. He didn’t grow it to that point, it was already there.


”I am the past, come back to haunt you, Lo Pan.”

- Egg Shen via Six Demon Tapatalk

 

[Chris]

Do I need to blow more or less smoke up Tony's ass for my Moxley point to be responded to or should I just give up? Pretty clear no real convo can be had here with the accusations being thrown lmao

 

[Comrade Khan]

Growth implies financial growth. Again, prove to me that they’re making more (or any) money and I’ll gladly defer to it. Unfortunately, you can’t, and neither can Tony or he’d be blasting it all over Twitter about 10 times a day, or 30 if Bolivia made a delivery that morning.

Also, I literally said I wasn’t using television ratings as a metric. You can’t just use the “bad faith” argument whenever someone asks real questions instead of just blowing smoke up Tony’s ass.


”I am the past, come back to haunt you, Lo Pan.”

- Egg Shen via Six Demon Tapatalk

how could I prove anything about the earning of a private company ? I just showed you reasons for growth on why they are likely doing well. I have just as much information as you regarding profits. Which is why it's stupid to worry or speculate about it unless you have any sort of data to back up your point. Which you have admitted yourself you don't know.

you also refused to address ANY of the points about growth I pointed out, so thanks for proving to me you dont actually want to have a real discussion or debate, you just wanted to get your shit in. I'll keep dunking on fools who talk out of their asses with no facts to back up a thing they say. see ya !

 

[Comrade Khan]

maybe stick to your shoot job, I'll stick to being a fan

 

[Hoss]

These last two pages have fucking sucked