20 Young People Who Believe Marriage Should Be Between One Man And One Woman

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I had one friend in HS who always INSISTED that people chose to be gay.

 

[Lockard 23]

I had one friend in HS who always INSISTED that people chose to be gay.

Here's my thing - what would it matter? Even if sexuality was a choice, then who cares, so long as it's still consensual. I still admit that gay sex between two men is disgusting to think about, but then so is sex between two wrinkly old people, but I would never say old people shouldn't get married. (It's actually my opinion that marriage is for old folks, but that's a different point.)

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Yea it is another topic completely, but either way if you think being gay is inherently "wrong" then you are quite bigoted in my eyes.

 

[Crayo]

Here's my thing - what would it matter? Even if sexuality was a choice, then who cares, so long as it's still consensual. I still admit that gay sex between two men is disgusting to think about, but then so is sex between two wrinkly old people, but I would never say old people shouldn't get married. (It's actually my opinion that marriage is for old folks, but that's a different point.)

If it were by choice, then the religious people who are against gay marriage would bring up the argument that they are going against God by choice. Currently, homosexuals who state that it wasn't their choice have the compelling argument that God made them who they are and they did NOT choose to be gay, which automatically makes those religious people look hypocritical.

 

[William]

I can't stand religion. It is because of Religion this planet is being held back by fucking morons hellbent on their idea of life and morals being everyone else's. Who are Christians or any other religion for that matter allowed to decide what people can do, they go on about how you need like a happy life but they constantly do shit to make people not have a happy life like gays for example. All they want is to be able to get Married. Like any Man and Woman can get married but NOOOOOOOOOO!!! You'll go to hell if you get married!

Fucking Religion Fucker Fucks.

 

[Lockard 23]

If it were by choice, then the religious people who are against gay marriage would bring up the argument that they are going against God by choice. Currently, homosexuals who state that it wasn't their choice have the compelling argument that God made them who they are and they did NOT choose to be gay, which automatically makes those religious people look hypocritical.

The religious argument is only valid for people who are religious in the first place. So no, they don't have a very good point. If they think they're offending some invisible god by being homosexual (or eating pork, I think that's forbidden in the Bible as well), then don't do any of those things but fuck off from bothering people who do do those things. That simple. I could easily bring up things from the Bible and Koran and other holy books that we don't follow or adhere to anymore, but that would be too easy.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

People who are hardcore ANTI religion should chill out.

I'm not religious and don't dig it when fundamentalists or zealots try to push their ideals on everyone. But not all (see: most) religious people are like that. And for many religion is a huge part of their life and is something that helps them through bad times.

So don't just blindly shake your finger and say bad religion.

Like Seabs has said ITT there are plenty of non religious people who oppose gay marriage.

 

[Lockard 23]

I'll chill out when certain religious individuals and groups chill out and stop pushing their beliefs on others.

 

[seabs]

Isn't that what you're doing back though? How does pushing the belief of you can't do that stop them?

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

I'll chill out when certain religious individuals and groups chill out and stop pushing their beliefs on others.

So you generalize/make sweeping statements about religion/religious people yet you admit in your post that it is only 'certain religious individuals" that you have a problem with.

Just saying man, religion overall is more good than bad. I can guarantee you that there are people in your life that you know, people in your life that you respect and people in your life that you love all who use religion as a tool to help them through life.

 

[Crayo]

People who are hardcore ANTI religion should chill out.

I'm not religious and don't dig it when fundamentalists or zealots try to push their ideals on everyone. But not all (see: most) religious people are like that. And for many religion is a huge part of their life and is something that helps them through bad times.

So don't just blindly shake your finger and say bad religion.

Like Seabs has said ITT there are plenty of non religious people who oppose gay marriage.

This.

Your point Kevin is based on your atheism. With subjects like this you need to see it from the other end of the spectrum, and also realise that all religious people are individuals with their own beliefs and simply not a stereotype. If you were debating this in court and your point was "Their invisible God isn't a point" then you'd lose it immediately and be turfed out.

 

[Lockard 23]

So you generalize/make sweeping statements about religion/religious people yet you admit in your post that it is only 'certain religious individuals" that you have a problem with.

Just saying man, religion overall is more good than bad. I can guarantee you that there are people in your life that you know, people in your life that you respect and people in your life that you love all who use religion as a tool to help them through life.

I didn't generalize anyone. I was obviously speaking to those who are against gay marriage because of their religion, not all religious people in general.

As for their religion helping them, Good for them. I still see religion as nonsense, regardless of how much good or bad it does in reality. And my mother is spiritual, she still knows my opinion on religion and the supernatural in general.

(Funny how people make fun of Scientology because they say it's Blue and nonsense and that;s ok, but all other religions are off limits from criticism.)

 

[Crayo]

Religion can be used for some people as a way to cope with the stresses of life. They don't walk around and preach it, and they certainly do not judge others if they do not believe the same -- is that still nonsense to you? I'm just curious and I'm not attacking, but I've not really seen many people argue against those who use religion to better themselves as individuals (love thy neighbour for example), help other people in the right way, and to help them cope with life.

Religion is more than reading a book and absorbing that information.

 

[Lockard 23]

This.

Your point Kevin is based on your atheism. With subjects like this you need to see it from the other end of the spectrum, and also realise that all religious people are individuals with their own beliefs and simply not a stereotype. If you were debating this in court and your point was "Their invisible God isn't a point" then you'd lose it immediately and be turfed out.

They do have their own views, I'm aware of that. I was responding to your post that quoted mine. I said even if being gay was a choice, then it's still consensual and thus I don't see the problem. You then said they would give them a valid point to argue with other people about being against it. I then said it wouldn't because their beliefs would only apply to them anyway, not to anyone else.

 

[Crayo]

They do have their own views, I'm aware of that. I was responding to your post that quoted mine. I said even if being gay was a choice, then it's still consensual and thus I don't see the problem. You then said they would give them a valid point to argue with other people about being against it. I then said it wouldn't because their beliefs would only apply to them anyway, not to anyone else.

I don't believe I said it was a "valid point". I said it gives them the argument that they have gone against God if it was by choice, and not if it was genetically forced. Whilst it may be a point based on religious beliefs, it's still something that has some form of logic behind it if the bible is used as the source. It has however been proven that it is genetic and not a choice, which makes the "you went against God" argument completely invalid.

For the record I completely disagree with them anyway even if homosexuality was by choice. I'm just trying to explain to you why they would be against it if it were by choice, which most people who are against this tend to believe.