Orton injured?

[Tgmiveld]

No, it's called Orton is boring and stale.

watch 2009, they fucked up his push

cena was handed it on a platter, as was punk, orton was shot down, its not fair

 

[Stopspot]

Can someone show me any factual proof that Randy Orton has ever been a draw?
The graph found by Dolph'z which starts at his WWE title win in 2004, tells a completely different tale.

He started off decent in 2004, never drawing massively but okay by 2004 standards. And then it's all gone downhill. And this was also at the time when Orton was a complete and utter tool backstage (shitting in people's bags, drugs, drinking, fighting etc).

So science says no, Orton was never a major draw. A decent supporting one: most likely, but never a major one. And the fault there lies on Orton, not WWE. Because WWE have given him more shots than any other guy in the modern era to be big, he's Vince McMahon's and Hunter's golden boy afterall. The heir apparent who got out performed by a dude with a Vanilla Ice gimmick.

 

[Tgmiveld]

Can someone show me any factual proof that Randy Orton has ever been a draw?
The graph found by Dolph'z which starts at his WWE title win in 2004, tells a completely different tale.

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Notice the drop off after they fucked up in 2009

Orton was drawing massive before then. The company could have had the next Austin with him in 2009.

 

[Stopspot]

Notice the drop off after they fucked up in 2009

Orton was drawing massive before then. The company could have had the next Austin with him in 2009.

How exactly was he drawing massive? He was average at best. That's on Orton as well. Not on WWE. Orton fucks up every shot given to him because he has a bad attitude.

 

[Tgmiveld]

How exactly was he drawing massive? He was average at best. That's on Orton as well. Not on WWE. Orton fucks up every shot given to him because he has a bad attitude.

look at the graph he was drawing way above the averages, then they fucked up in 2009 and it dropped

 

[Nero_x3]

look at the graph he was drawing way above the averages, then they fucked up in 2009 and it dropped

You're aren't even defining your points, you're just repeating the same carp over and over again.

 

[Brad.]

I'd like to see D'Z include more graphs in his posts in the future that's for sure

 

[Tgmiveld]

You're aren't even defining your points, you're just repeating the same carp over and over again.

listen, sugar thighs.

Orton was negged in 2009 by bad booking, they booked him to get battered by Shane O MAC, then the crowd failed to respond to his match with HHH at Mania as WWE did not book it right.

 

[Majour]

I'd like to see D'Z include more graphs in his posts in the future that's for sure

Also, more works of art on paint


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[Lockard 23]

Here is a chart showing Orton's PPV buy rates comparing him headlining to the average PPV

As you'd expect, nobody gives a fuck about Orton since about 2004.

How does the graph continuously decreasing prove that nobody cared past 2004? Yeah, it started to go downhill but up until we get to 2008, the average PPV headlined by Orton is still better than the average PPV not headlined by Orton. If you read the article on the site that this chart came from (http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2013/12/20/is-randy-orton-a-draw/), they actually credit Orton for being a pretty good draw from 2004-2008.

"We see Orton return to the main event in late 2007 starting with Unforgiven 2007 all the way through Armageddon 2007. He drew quite well during this period alongside John Cena, his main rival at the time. A few of these shows also featured Batista vs. The Undertaker and a triple-threat with Edge vs. Undertaker vs. Batista, but again, by definition, especially with the brand-split, Orton was a focal point. These were mostly Smackdown feuds so on the Raw side, Orton and his opponent (mostly Cena in this period) are the draws.

2008 was another good year for Orton’s drawing power starting the year against Cena and feuding with Triple H during the late Spring/Summer. No Way Out 2008 sticks out as the largest draw of the lot, this event featured two Elimination Chamber matches both on the Raw side and Smackdown side, but again featured a well publicized, Cena/Orton matchup. A Triple H/Orton Cage match popped a big number (252,000) for Judgment Day 2008."

"From 2004-2008, people were genuinely interested in Orton as a draw, regardless of opponent. Around 2009, the fans stopped buying in. As mentioned, I think a huge part of that is fatigue in seeing Orton battle Cena and Triple H. I also think, overall, people have bored of Orton. He’s went through minor character changes during that time, but he’s been the same basic character, “The Viper”, the slow, brooding bald Orton has essentially all we’ve had during that period. Contrast that to babyface Orton standing up to Evolution, evolving into the pompous legend killer Orton, Legacy Orton and the first incarnation of crazy/insane/Stephanie McMahon RKO’ing Orton that actually saw him and Triple H draw quite well.

Since that time though, it’s been much of the same. He had a brief babyface run but he toiled on Smackdown or on the Raw undercard through much of that time. This current run? Yawn. It’s not good or bad, it’s just sort of… there. I believe that’s the biggest issue with Orton, people just see him as… there."

I think the article makes a great point about why Orton doesn't draw well anymore and I'd also add that it helps to remember that PPV buyrates in general have been gradually decreasing since that time thanks to the overall product as well as the rise of more availability to online streaming sites.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

How does the graph continuously decreasing prove that nobody cared past 2004? Yeah, it started to go downhill but up until we get to 2008, the average PPV headlined by Orton is still better than the average PPV not headlined by Orton. If you read the article on the site that this chart came from (http://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2013/12/20/is-randy-orton-a-draw/), they actually credit Orton for being a pretty good draw from 2004-2008.



I think the article makes a great point about why Orton doesn't draw well anymore and I'd also add that it helps to remember that PPV buyrates in general have been gradually decreasing since that time thanks to the overall product as well as the rise of more availability to online streaming sites.

Jesus Lockard, it was a joke. Obviously people stopped caring in 2009.

 

[Lockard 23]

Jesus Lockard, it was a joke. Obviously people stopped caring in 2009.

Eh, given your hatred for Orton, hard to tell that was a joke on your part (especially since Stop seemed to take it seriously.)

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Eh, given your hatred for Orton, hard to tell that was a joke on your part (especially since Stop seemed to take it seriously.)

I think we can all agree that Orton only works when he is the guy working with the guy. He can draw with HHH or Taker, but he can't carry a feud from a drawing or entertainment aspect. You can cite his lack of motivation all you want, but I think the dude just doesn't have a great mind for the business. He was given a money gimmick to start with and did well, he is good in ring, but now he can't rediscover himself, which is the true sign of a GREAT performer.

 

[Tgmiveld]

I think we can all agree that Orton only works when he is the guy working with the guy. He can draw with HHH or Taker, but he can't carry a feud from a drawing or entertainment aspect. You can cite his lack of motivation all you want, but I think the dude just doesn't have a great mind for the business. He was given a money gimmick to start with and did well, he is good in ring, but now he can't rediscover himself, which is the true sign of a GREAT performer.

its the system who fuck up his push, he delivers time after

they have given him a bad character, crap opponents and he still outperforms the of them

the best all rounder in the business

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

its the system who fuck up his push, he delivers time after

they have given him a bad character, crap opponents and he still outperforms the of them

the best all rounder in the business

You are like a toy with a pull string that only says 3 things.