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I'm writing in Ron Paul on my ticket. I don't expect him to win, but just on general principle. I just have too
many problems with both Romney and Obama to want either of them in office.

Obama: Has this tendency to stick America's nose where it doesn't belong (I.E. Libya, Egypt, etc.)
Romney: Is simply in this for the money. He doesn't give a damn, not one single shit, about America or it's people.
He'll bow to every lobbyist, every defense contractor, rape and pillage the economy all in an effort to line his own
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Obama passed health care which we didn't need since we already have some of the best hospitals and health care in the world in America. Not to mention he's taken money away from other government run programs like Social Security and Medicare to fund that health care law. You're assessment of the recession (not depression) is just plain wrong. Although his policies have helped, minimally at best, they've also sent us deeper into debt. The economy would have fixed itself without much intervention and the fact is that by 6 months after Obama had taken office, the worst was over and GDP slowly started increasing again. Unfortunately, it's been a jobless recovery and the economy is still moving at a snail's pace and even saw a decrease in GDP is 2010. So what did Obama really do? Unemployment is still at 8.5%, which is well above full employment and we're spending money we don't have. The debt has increased under him as much as it did under Bush and there's no end to the spending in site. I'll admit he helped oust Ghadafi and took out Bin Laden which was huge although I wouldn't say al-Qaeda was crippled by that. We need a new president who will hopefully stop the bleeding and although the options really are bad and worse this year, Romney is bad and Obama is worse.



I'm not trying to be racist in saying race won Obama the election but there are two things that are true: one, the last election was close. In fact, it was very close. Two, we saw some of the highest, if not the highest turn out from black voters ever and I highly doubt any of them voted for McCain. So why did they turn out to vote? Maybe some turned out and decided to vote Obama because they really did like his views but I highly doubt any less than 90% of black voters, who very well could have been the deciding factor in the last election, voted for Obama for any other reason than that he's black. Race absolutely had something to do with it and if you think all those blacks did their research, then you're blind.

Ron Paul was really my favorite, but he's too liberal for conservatives and too conservative for liberals and don't even get my started on how ridiculous doing away with the fed and bringing back the gold standard is although the fed really needs to be controlled at this point with all the money they're printing. US politics are a complete joke right now. No one is accomplishing anything because no one can agree on anything and everyone just tells us what we want to hear. Honestly, I often wonder who is running the country since everyone is campaigning before they take office and then start campaigning for re-election as soon as they take office. We need someone who is for the people, but I don't know when we'll see another politician like that. As far as I know, Reagan was the last good president and Eisenhower was the last great president. I love my country but I'm sad for it knowing that we'll probably never see the likes of presidents like Roosevelt, Truman or Eisenhower in the White House again.

If those too big too fail banks didn't get a bail out or GM, wouldn't it have been disasterous for the American economy? American GDP went down because of the non-hiring of Americans over a decade and outsourcing to keep costs down on shoddy products. Nobody invested in the American economy is partioally to blame for the recession and I think it was headed towards depression. If the government didn't get involved, who is to say that the country wouldn't have defaulted like Greece?

Also, not to point out the painfuilly obvious, but didn't the debt get bigger after Bush left, because Obama actually put the two wars on the books? He was left with a mess and instead of a helping hand from his peers in Washington he was being handcuffed by them. The Economy would be in alot better shape if he or anybody in that position didn't have to get over a football type of atmosphere, everybody is just jockeying for position to get their guy in the endzone and it doesn't help their country but only hurts it.

Obama isn't the worst, he isn't the best either, he is just a guy trying to do a job he was elected to do, but he can't seem to do that in a political climate that practically handcuffs a guy for two years because he has to start campaigning for his job again. This is Blue imo, in the UK it takes like what? 6 weeks to elect a leader, takes the same in Canada......and then this guy has alot of time to actually do his fucking job.

Doesn't seem like that in America, when you are on the oustide looking.
 

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If those too big too fail banks didn't get a bail out or GM, wouldn't it have been disasterous for the American economy? American GDP went down because of the non-hiring of Americans over a decade and outsourcing to keep costs down on shoddy products. Nobody invested in the American economy is partioally to blame for the recession and I think it was headed towards depression. If the government didn't get involved, who is to say that the country wouldn't have defaulted like Greece?

Also, not to point out the painfuilly obvious, but didn't the debt get bigger after Bush left, because Obama actually put the two wars on the books? He was left with a mess and instead of a helping hand from his peers in Washington he was being handcuffed by them. The Economy would be in alot better shape if he or anybody in that position didn't have to get over a football type of atmosphere, everybody is just jockeying for position to get their guy in the endzone and it doesn't help their country but only hurts it.

Obama isn't the worst, he isn't the best either, he is just a guy trying to do a job he was elected to do, but he can't seem to do that in a political climate that practically handcuffs a guy for two years because he has to start campaigning for his job again. This is Blue imo, in the UK it takes like what? 6 weeks to elect a leader, takes the same in Canada......and then this guy has alot of time to actually do his fucking job.

Doesn't seem like that in America, when you are on the oustide looking.

There's differing opinion on how much worse allowing GM, Chrysler and AIG to fail would have been for the economy. Did they need to be bailed out in my opinion? Yes. You also had a lot of banks and other financial institutions acquired by private companies. That was necessary, and I'll admit Obama was partly responsible for that but saying outsourcing and offshoring are the cause of the decline in GDP is laughable. You basically destroyed your credibility with that statement. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'd say 90% of respected economists agree that outsourcing is GOOD for the economy and I agree with them. Outsourcing and offshoring are American capitalism at its best. It's completely ridiculous that these unions over here think that they can just push their weight around and keep lobbying for these outrageously high wages while also looking for full pensions and health care and job security when no one else is getting those benefits. Unions are the damn problem because they ask too much. What's a company to do when the American worker wants too much? Outsource and if you can't find cheaper work within our borders offshore the work. Do you realize how much goods would cost if we exclusively employed American workers? A pack of Hanes t-shirts would cost $50 if they had to pay the workers who made them union wages plus benefits. It would be outrageous and the economy would really suffer then. We're not the only country in the world who outsources anyway. Every country is outsourcing work at this point because the trade of labor between countries helps everyone enjoy the benefit of cheaper goods that are just as well made as if they were produced domestically. Am I saying every product produced in China is just as good as if it were produced in America? No, absolutely not but many are and it's only helped the American consumer and economy. The GDP crashed because of the housing bubble pop and the millions of Americans that lost their jobs not being able to continue purchasing goods like they had been. Outsourcing and offshoring had nothing to do with that. We were outsourcing and offshoring for decades with fantastic growth before the bubble popped.

I agree that the political jockeying in this country is out of hand. Eventually it'll come crashing down on every politician and when that day comes, I just hope it doesn't bite the average guy in the ass too.
 

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There's differing opinion on how much worse allowing GM, Chrysler and AIG to fail would have been for the economy. Did they need to be bailed out in my opinion? Yes. You also had a lot of banks and other financial institutions acquired by private companies. That was necessary, and I'll admit Obama was partly responsible for that but saying outsourcing and offshoring are the cause of the decline in GDP is laughable. You basically destroyed your credibility with that statement. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'd say 90% of respected economists agree that outsourcing is GOOD for the economy and I agree with them. Outsourcing and offshoring are American capitalism at its best. It's completely ridiculous that these unions over here think that they can just push their weight around and keep lobbying for these outrageously high wages while also looking for full pensions and health care and job security when no one else is getting those benefits. Unions are the damn problem because they ask too much. What's a company to do when the American worker wants too much? Outsource and if you can't find cheaper work within our borders offshore the work. Do you realize how much goods would cost if we exclusively employed American workers? A pack of Hanes t-shirts would cost $50 if they had to pay the workers who made them union wages plus benefits. It would be outrageous and the economy would really suffer then. We're not the only country in the world who outsources anyway. Every country is outsourcing work at this point because the trade of labor between countries helps everyone enjoy the benefit of cheaper goods that are just as well made as if they were produced domestically. Am I saying every product produced in China is just as good as if it were produced in America? No, absolutely not but many are and it's only helped the American consumer and economy. The GDP crashed because of the housing bubble pop and the millions of Americans that lost their jobs not being able to continue purchasing goods like they had been. Outsourcing and offshoring had nothing to do with that. We were outsourcing and offshoring for decades with fantastic growth before the bubble popped.

I agree that the political jockeying in this country is out of hand. Eventually it'll come crashing down on every politician and when that day comes, I just hope it doesn't bite the average guy in the ass too.

What a load of shit, when unions were at their strongest, the price of everything was still significantly low, even by adjusting inflation of today it would still be low. You can try spin slave wages into a thumbs up for big business but I'll never buy it for a second.

Unions are the reason America even had a middle class, the reason there is a minimum wage and those ain't bad things. Sure unions do shit that I don't agree with and they gave my own father ulcers from stress but even he wouldn't say they are killing the economy because that wouldn't be true.

And yes, the housing bubble was the major factor for America's woes, but that was foreseeable and everyone who didn't see it coming were just blind or dumb. And didn't learn shit from the dot com boom.
 

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What a load of shit, when unions were at their strongest, the price of everything was still significantly low, even by adjusting inflation of today it would still be low. You can try spin slave wages into a thumbs up for big business but I'll never buy it for a second.

Unions are the reason America even had a middle class, the reason there is a minimum wage and those ain't bad things. Sure unions do shit that I don't agree with and they gave my own father ulcers from stress but even he wouldn't say they are killing the economy because that wouldn't be true.

And yes, the housing bubble was the major factor for America's woes, but that was foreseeable and everyone who didn't see it coming were just blind or dumb. And didn't learn shit from the dot com boom.

Um, no, unions are NOT the reason the middle class developed. The middle class started to develop during the industrial revolution as cities sprung up and people went to work in factories. This is well before unions. The middle class didn't really take off until after WWII when suburbs became prominent and GIs coming home from war were helped by the government with home purchases and finding work. And when unions were at their strongest, America's economy was booming. During the 50s-early 60s, America was coming off of the post war high. That era is known as the "golden age" because basically anyone could find work and everyone was prospering. It's a completely different time now. There economy is cyclical and at that time we were at a high and now we're at a low. That's before you even take into account the fact that 60 years ago the world population was half of what it is now and demand for all goods is now way higher which automatically puts upward pressure on prices. As I said, you clearly don't know your ass from a hole in the ground when you talk about economics. It's a guarantee that if we started making all goods sold in the US in the US, not only would availability drop because there's no way we could meet our own demand, but prices would soar.

And don't even get me started on calling work in developing countries "slave labor" because that work is whats helping those countries to develop.
 
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I stopped voting when I found out my vote stopped counting. It was the year 2000 the air smelled clean and fresh, gas was under $2 a gallon and Brittany Spears was finally legal....
 

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First debate was tonight. I was surprised at how polished Romney seemed compared to Obama. Really, I was, because generally Obama is a phenomenal speaker. I didn't know he needed a teleprompter that badly.
 

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First debate was tonight. I was surprised at how polished Romney seemed compared to Obama. Really, I was, because generally Obama is a phenomenal speaker. I didn't know he needed a teleprompter that badly.

Most likely that or, he is on cruise conrol. Shouldn't be.

I'm guessing he was trying to act above all the old tricks that were employed in the Republican primaries. If I was him, I would just go all out and rip him a new asshole, act like this guy is trying to take your job.

toook rrrr jrrrbs!!!
 

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Most likely that or, he is on cruise conrol. Shouldn't be.

I'm guessing he was trying to act above all the old tricks that were employed in the Republican primaries. If I was him, I would just go all out and rip him a new asshole, act like this guy is trying to take your job.

toook rrrr jrrrbs!!!

I don't think they took Romney seriously and he was basically completely caught off guard when he came out guns blazing, running a train through Jim Lehrer.
 

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I don't think they took Romney seriously and he was basically completely caught off guard when he came out guns blazing, running a train through Jim Lehrer.

It's like he dropped the debate, like a prizefighter taking a dive.

I don't think he was caught off guard, his opponent had just gone through a million of these type of debates and it would be idiotic to go in unprepared for a guy who has been gearing up for this moment his whole life.

If Obama doesn't come out guns ablazin' next time, he is throwing the fight.
 

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It's like he dropped the debate, like a prizefighter taking a dive.

I don't think he was caught off guard, his opponent had just gone through a million of these type of debates and it would be idiotic to go in unprepared for a guy who has been gearing up for this moment his whole life.

If Obama doesn't come out guns ablazin' next time, he is throwing the fight.

Well we can only hope for such a scenario. I already think that Ryan's going to make light work of Joe Biden in their debate since Biden is basically an idiot.
 

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Well we can only hope for such a scenario. I already think that Ryan's going to make light work of Joe Biden in their debate since Biden is basically an idiot.

Doubt a Romney presidency is going to make the country better off, the guy goes after small time things like PBS an leaves out the main thing the country spends money on.....Defence.
 

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It was certainly a bit sloppy of Obama to come in ill-prepared like that and a suprise victory for Romney. I still think there is a lot of work for him to do to win the Election. I expect him to suffer some swing states and it would suprise me if Obama lost even if it might be closer than first thought.
 

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Doubt a Romney presidency is going to make the country better off, the guy goes after small time things like PBS an leaves out the main thing the country spends money on.....Defence.

I'm not gonna lie, saying he was going to cut funding to PBS was extraordinarily stupid, but I agree with more of what he's doing than what Obama's doing. Unfortunately, defense in one thing I don't think any president will be able to cut funding to. I believe we do need to spend a good amount on defense, but diverting some of the money from defense to education would be a smart move. I mean it's appalling how you go to a city like Newark and their aspirations are to become a professional sports player or rapper and if that doesn't work, you can always deal. I challenge anyone to call me out on this because you know damn well it's true so don't even try to tell me otherwise. For everyone 1 kid in an inner city area that has real aspirations in America, there are 10 who couldn't give a fuck less. I'm not saying it's entirely their fault, but at some point we all need to take responsibility for ourselves and we need to stop blaming everything on the system. Then you have idiots like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson who only perpetuate this belief amongst the minority populations that everyone is working against them. I digress though, we need to get kids educated and we need to make it possible for people who aren't as well off but still have brilliant minds to actually go to college.

I'm so sick of certain issues being made into political issues. Education should not be a political issue. It should be an issue of if we don't get kids educated, you end up with a nation of people who can't think for themselves.
 
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