Will Christian Ever Win the Big One?

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Will Christian Ever Win the Big One?

  • He will win the WWE Championship

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  • He will win the World Heavyweight Championship

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If I hear one more person say Vince doesn't like Christian I'm gonna scream. I'm sure a guy Vince has so little faith in wouldn't be in charge of being the established name on the show meant for grooming the next generation of superstars. Since coming back he's won 90% of his matches and has been the strongest booked champion in the company. Yeah, sounds like Vince really has it in for the guy.

And you talk about character evolution comparing Edge to Christian. If I recall Christian left WWE in 2005. Around the time he left Edge was still mid-carding, same as him. They didn't start to give Edge his major push until shortly after Christian left. You ever think had he stayed the same thing would have eventually happened to him?

WWE isn't stupid. They saw what Christian became in TNA. Although they can't directly transfer his main event standing over to WWE, he's been booked amazingly since his return. I'm sure given a little more time and a brand change we'll see Christian moving his way up the card.

I love him, I really do. But I'm sorry guys... Edge isn't that spectacular in the ring.

What are you talking about, chief? If Vince had a jones for him, he'd be more than the ECW champ, dude missed two PPVs before he got a slot in a ten man tag @ SS. Best booked champ? Yeah right, good enough to be left off of two straight PPVs. Everyone who Vince wants to push gets out of ECW eventually, Morrison, Punk, Mark Henry, Swagger, even Matt Hardy all left ECW for better things. Christian has been back about a year and he's been stuck in lack luster feuds with Regal, Dreamer and a bunch of no-names. Yeah, he's won most of his matches, but they were against guys lower on the totem pole than him. If Vince had any plans for him he wouldn't be toiling on a show where the championship isn't even penned into PPV cards anymore. The bottom line is like the ECW title itself, Christian is an afterthought in Vince's mind.

Vince also doesn't care what Christian did in TNA, being TNA champ is the equivalent to being ECW champ. Both positions draw no money. Christian left the company because he was told he would never go higher on the card than he already was. Vince brought him back strictly because he was short on talent. He was a familiar face with a name fans recognize and could work the WWE style with no problems.

You still didn't address character evolution. He was the same guy in TNA that he was in WWE and came back the same guy. The only thing he's done is flop from heel to face. Not much change, every worker does that at some point in their careers. And it doesn't matter if he left in 2005, nothing changed for his character in TNA and had he stayed with the E it probably wouldn't have changed either as they had no real plans for the guy to begin with.

I like Christian, I really do, but you can't sell me on that he's better than Edge. Christian hasn't had ONE match better than anything Edge had with Taker, especially the TLC and HIAC matches, the Edge-Hardy matches and so on. He's had some nice, solid matches on ECW but to say he's had better, more memorable matches than Edge is far from the truth. Just pitch one match that's as good or has had the length of an Edge mainevent. You can't because he hasn't had one. If he were as good as you insist he'd be on PPVs every month, he wouldn't be feuding with the Tommy Dreamers and William Regals of the world, he'd be involved in a solid upper card feud on one of the A shows. Vince doesn't give two shits what the guy did in TNA, he hired him soley because he's what I said he was, a very solid hand with good mic skills.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but the proof is in the putting, Edge has had all the success, heat and PPV headlines to answer the question who's better, and once he returns to the awaiting program with him and Jericho it will solidify that. Christian meanwhile will fall into the mid-card mix once ECW dissolves because he's just a role player, that's what Vince has always had him pegged as and that's exactly what Vince re-hired him as.

Very nice debate, thou!
 

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^Matt Hardy left for better things? :roll:
ECW was the most succes hes had since 04 IMO. ECW champ. He leaves to be a sucky heel feuding with his brother which wasnt a feud. Jeff kicked his ass because he kept interfering in his matches. Now he is on smackdown, not even doing anything. Yep good job Matt Hardy. You are doing great things now. :rolleyes:

I agree with the rest though just not the Hardy statement. I think the only people who Vince has pushed from ECW was Punk and Morrison and cant forget about Miz. Swagger's push got halted and Henry was a missed ship when they did nothing after his face turn
 

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Saying that Christians NWA Title reigns meant nothing is just more anti TNA bias. Christian waited out until his contract expired in the WWE and then jumped ship to TNA in what was TNA's first real big conversion of a WWE star. He showed that he could carry a company. TNA, ECW or otherwise with his multiple title wins and fueds. WWE saw this and obviously picked him back up again with a new contract offer despite the fact that he essentially slapped them in the face because he had done everything that he could do in TNA.

If you're claiming it's because Christian was dissatisfied with his push then I'd like to see your source for this. Because he was already if not in a main title feud, he was in an upper card feud with either personal or tag title ramifications. I don't know how much higher in the card you could be considered without being under a legends payroll.

WWE saw that Christian was dependable and brought him back. A good move by both parties in my opinion. Cause Christian goes where the real money is and WWE gets a decent power player.

So could Christian win one of the main straps? Absolutely. He's going to need at least one or two big fueds on the red or blue brands where someone is actually willing to put him OVER so that he can be legitimized. But there should be no question as to his ability to carry one of the main straps.

I'm not sure where the debate came up whether or not Edge is better than Christian. In the WWE Universe Edge is far more established than Christian. But like Rated R CMStar said, if Christian would of stayed through his run in 2005, he would be right up there with Edge I believe.

So yes Edge is ahead of the ball game in terms of drawing power. But where does anyone factor in that just because Edge is better than Christian that means that Christian will never get a world title push? That's just like point to Ted Dibiase and saying "He's better than Cody Rhodes. Therefore Cody Rhodes will never get a title push".
 

Kizza

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Depends on whether Vince sees him as able to carry an established brand or not.
 

noumenon

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What are you talking about, chief? If Vince had a jones for him, he'd be more than the ECW champ, dude missed two PPVs before he got a slot in a ten man tag @ SS. Best booked champ? Yeah right, good enough to be left off of two straight PPVs. Everyone who Vince wants to push gets out of ECW eventually, Morrison, Punk, Mark Henry, Swagger, even Matt Hardy all left ECW for better things. Christian has been back about a year and he's been stuck in lack luster feuds with Regal, Dreamer and a bunch of no-names. Yeah, he's won most of his matches, but they were against guys lower on the totem pole than him. If Vince had any plans for him he wouldn't be toiling on a show where the championship isn't even penned into PPV cards anymore. The bottom line is like the ECW title itself, Christian is an afterthought in Vince's mind.

Vince also doesn't care what Christian did in TNA, being TNA champ is the equivalent to being ECW champ. Both positions draw no money. Christian left the company because he was told he would never go higher on the card than he already was. Vince brought him back strictly because he was short on talent. He was a familiar face with a name fans recognize and could work the WWE style with no problems.

You still didn't address character evolution. He was the same guy in TNA that he was in WWE and came back the same guy. The only thing he's done is flop from heel to face. Not much change, every worker does that at some point in their careers. And it doesn't matter if he left in 2005, nothing changed for his character in TNA and had he stayed with the E it probably wouldn't have changed either as they had no real plans for the guy to begin with.

I like Christian, I really do, but you can't sell me on that he's better than Edge. Christian hasn't had ONE match better than anything Edge had with Taker, especially the TLC and HIAC matches, the Edge-Hardy matches and so on. He's had some nice, solid matches on ECW but to say he's had better, more memorable matches than Edge is far from the truth. Just pitch one match that's as good or has had the length of an Edge mainevent. You can't because he hasn't had one. If he were as good as you insist he'd be on PPVs every month, he wouldn't be feuding with the Tommy Dreamers and William Regals of the world, he'd be involved in a solid upper card feud on one of the A shows. Vince doesn't give two shits what the guy did in TNA, he hired him soley because he's what I said he was, a very solid hand with good mic skills.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but the proof is in the putting, Edge has had all the success, heat and PPV headlines to answer the question who's better, and once he returns to the awaiting program with him and Jericho it will solidify that. Christian meanwhile will fall into the mid-card mix once ECW dissolves because he's just a role player, that's what Vince has always had him pegged as and that's exactly what Vince re-hired him as.

Very nice debate, thou!

1. Saying that Vince doesn't give a shit about him because he's on ECW is just a ridiculous statement. A role that was meant to be held by Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle isn't one worth caring about? There aren't many guys on the card that Vince would trust to put over his young talent and regardless of what time slot it's on who is on it, carry a show. Henry, Swagger and Matt Hardy left ECW for better things? What show have you been watching? Since leaving ECW they've essentially ruined another Matt push, turned Swagger from undefeated to a jobber in the course of a month and Henry into the rapping Kool Aid man.

2. Vince doesn't care what Christian did in TNA? He obviously cares enough to know that the guy became more relevant as a singles competitor in his short TNA run than he ever was in WWE. He therefore capitalized upon that knowing he needed a known name to carry one of his shows. You're acting as if just because he's on ECW right now that he has he's doomed to stay there for the rest of his career and do nothing.

3. What character evolution does he need? I think he works pretty damn well just the way he is. He's great on the mic, over with the fans. For that matter, what character evolution has Edge had if you want to compare the two. He's simply changed what type of heel he plays, from wanting to hurt people to running scared from anyone in a 5 foot radius. He's essentially the same character he's been since 2005 if you really want to get down to the bare bones of it. What does Christian need to do? He seems fine to me. I'm sure in the case he turns heel you'll see a different side of him come out.

4. I never said he's had more memorable matches than Edge. And what does memorable matches have to do with level of in ring work. That's just ridiculous. Who's had more memorable matches Hogan or Jericho? Now who's the better worker? See... doesn't work. Obviously Edge has had the far more successful career and more high profile matches, I'm not arguing that at all. I think Edge is just fine in the ring... but honestly I think Christian is slightly better. That's all I'm saying. Edge has become a little pudgy and slow over the years. Still, I'm not discrediting the matches Edge has had, because most of which have been phenomenal.
 

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If I hear one more person say Vince doesn't like Christian I'm gonna scream. I'm sure a guy Vince has so little faith in wouldn't be in charge of being the established name on the show meant for grooming the next generation of superstars. Since coming back he's won 90% of his matches and has been the strongest booked champion in the company. Yeah, sounds like Vince really has it in for the guy.

And you talk about character evolution comparing Edge to Christian. If I recall Christian left WWE in 2005. Around the time he left Edge was still mid-carding, same as him. They didn't start to give Edge his major push until shortly after Christian left. You ever think had he stayed the same thing would have eventually happened to him?

WWE isn't stupid. They saw what Christian became in TNA. Although they can't directly transfer his main event standing over to WWE, he's been booked amazingly since his return. I'm sure given a little more time and a brand change we'll see Christian moving his way up the card.

I love him, I really do. But I'm sorry guys... Edge isn't that spectacular in the ring.

I get what you're saying. They gave Christian the best option without having to make him look bad. They put a shining star on the dark brand which makes the star that much brighter. We still don't know how he would fair on Raw or SD, but I assume he would be great.
 

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If Christan would have been brought in directly to Raw or Smackdown would not have been as impactful and likely would have been buried on Raw or Smackdown with guys like Cena, Orton, Batista and Undertaker. Even if he was given the IC or US title he would not have been given nearly as much on air time to really show Vince what he could do to carry a brand.

Regardless of what anybody thinks ECW was the ideal move for both the WWE and for Christan. When it first was announced that he was going back to the WWE the IWC had started going wild with potential feuds on Smackdown/Raw in the main event, which in reality were unrealistic because other then being squashed by Cena in his last PPV he had never even sniffed a WWE main event. Even a feud with Edge. Seriously? Their wasn't even the slightest tease at a Edge/Christan feud and imo the only reason that they were even linked in a possible feud is the whole E&C thing.
 

noumenon

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Had he debuted on RAW while Orton was champ and declared his mission was to win the WWE title I'm pretty sure it would have been quite impactful
 

PeepShow

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Heaven forbid they interrupt that 5 year long feud between Orton and Cena though.
 

noumenon

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Even when they're not feuding Orton still has a fucking hard on for Cena... see Kofi/Orton.
 

Great One

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God damn Enzo is being Blue here. He's dead on sometimes, and times like now when it comes to TNA/Christian he's dumb. Anyways, I don't recall Matt Hardy being booked like Christian was (see: my previous post), because he wasn't. Nor was ANYONE else giving that title. The only thing I semi-agree with is that Christian hasn't had any character progression but that's because he's on shitty ECW. The funny thing is, you act like you know all this about Vince, which is hilarious if you're serious (which you probably are). "Vince brought him back strictly because he was short on talent," lmao, die. How do you know that Christian didn't want to leave ECW (yet)? He could have decided to wait a year until the next draft, put some young guy over, and bigger plans. You don't know shit, you're talking 100% out of your ass. Also, with your logic, Edge is a better performer than Bryan Danielson because he's been in more memorable WWE matches (and to be honest, the most memorable matches I think of when I think of Edge are his TLC ones.. lol). The only singles matches of Edge's that stand out to me are anything with Foley (hardcore match..) and of course The Undertaker match.
 

MizMasta3000

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I dont see what was wrong with Cena/Orton. Yeah it was repetitive but think Austin/Rock. Good matches they put on and the promos were always great. Its not like anyone else on RAW besides HHH(HBK wasnt there atm i dont think) that was worthy of a title run besides the two.
 

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Don't ever compare Orton/Cena to the level of Austin/Rock again.
 

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Also to finally address the whole "Christian hasn't evolved" argument. He's still getting huge pops on ECW. So his current gimmick, older or not, still works. If he's not broke, why fix him? When the fans start getting sick of the gimmick, THEN you know its time for a change. But if he's still drawing pops from the crowd being the same Christian he was in 2005, I see no problem with that at all.