Who's the biggest [Insert wrestler] mark in the forums

[Danielson]

Let's be real, Ambrose in real life is nuts. Didn't he go on some kind of coke binge and lost 50 pounds while working out of th e states. The dude isn't exactly stable in the brain.

 

[seabs]

Firstly, why are we talking about wrestling here? I've not once during my fanboyism claimed he's a good wrestler. Or a fantastic wrestler. I've said he was a good seller and that wrestling really doesn't bother me. I'll take a feud with a good story over a feud with just good wrestling. So to tell me he's bad or has improved at wrestling specifically means absolutely nothing to me. It's like telling me the sun keeps us warm.

Secondly, I'm a mark for psycho-related gimmicks. I'm one of the biggest Joker marks there is, so no doubt that helps me enjoy Ambrose more than most. But, you're definitely in the minority who don't enjoy his mic work, so that may say something. His pre-WWE stuff was one-dimensional because he tended to have that gimmick 99% of the time. He isn't going to cut a promo about flowers if he is a psycho asshole. Stopspot said the same thing in one thread that he's one dimensional IN WWE! I was like, wtf, he's had one fucking run with Shield and he's one dimensional? Dafuq is wrong with you. The guy has already shown variety with his current gimmick compared to any of his pre-WWE ones, and he has been the shining star. Read the reviews of Shield and look for the star of the team, Ambrose is labelled as that shining star 99% of the time. Reigns has the look, Rollins has the mat-wrestling skill, Ambrose had it all. By that I don't mean he's anywhere near as good as Rollins in the ring, I mean he's definitely good enough for any kind of push. WWE - like me - don't give a fuck about outstanding wrestling skill.

The psychotic gimmick itself is saturated, and probably way more so on the indies, but I don't watch independent wrestling productions at all. So over saturation definitely isn't something that I, and the majority, give a single shit about. From what I have seen though, he plays it so much better than others who have played a similar gimmick. That's why I like him. He plays it SO well. I don't overrate him, I don't refuse to admit his flaws, I enjoy the fuck out of him. Why do so many wrestling fans, like Alkaline, give a shit whether someone is overrated or not? Who cares? Why does it matter? Ambrose is in the fetus stages of his WWE career right now, and people are already trying to pick holes.

I'm evaluating Jon Moxley, why are you mentioning Ambrose? Seriously read the posts, I've conceded he's shown more variety in the WWE also I've not once said I don't enjoy it I've said I'd like more variety. You'll have to ask him that, I want to debate between the two of us about Jon Moxley not Dean Ambrose, I'm not picking holes I'm just trying to call it as I see it and ask the questions.

 

[seabs]

"I'll concede Dean is an average - with the right opponent good brawler with very good mic work at what he does but that's after huge steps from the performance he showed as Moxley which was the entire discussion. Feel free to debate me though people I'm as open as a prostitutes legs."

I'm quoting myself here, who is hating him? No one is, I'm conceding his good I'm just saying how I feel about him.

 

[Danielson]

"I'll concede Dean is an average - with the right opponent good brawler with very good mic work at what he does but that's after huge steps from the performance he showed as Moxley which was the entire discussion. Feel free to debate me though people I'm as open as a prostitutes legs."

I'm quoting myself here, who is hating him? No one is, I'm conceding his good I'm just saying how I feel about him.

I think that's fair. Not everyone is going to like guys the same.

 

[Rogue]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

What an ignorant statement.

:sadamn,that's what I get for not reading comics.

 

[Crayo]

I'm evaluating Jon Moxley, why are you mentioning Ambrose? Seriously read the posts, I've conceded he's shown more variety in the WWE also I've not once said I don't enjoy it I've said I'd like more variety. You'll have to ask him that, I want to debate between the two of us about Jon Moxley not Dean Ambrose, I'm not picking holes I'm just trying to call it as I see it and ask the questions.

Why? You really dragged me into a "Who's the biggest mark" thread to talk about Moxley? Lol. What do you want me to say? I'll try put shit in bulletpoints to get my general opinion about Moxley.

• Ring work doesn't bother me. I have seen far more independent promos from Moxley than I have matches.
• "One dimensional" or "over saturated" are things that don't apply here. I'm a huge mark for Heath Ledger, and I can see the comparisons with Moxley, so telling me he's one dimensional is only another plus to put in the list of things I love about him. I love the gimmick, but more so the way he plays it, which is better than anyone I've seen in the current era. Also, being one dimensional as Moxley means nothing in a debate about him as a performer, as he has shown in WWE he can play another role. So the "can he only play one role?" question is out of the water.
• Was his mic work during Moxley overrated? Yep, probably so. He wasn't the saving grace to the independents, but he is damn right talented enough to use his exceptional mic work to be a constant main eventer in WWE.
• I think he's improved every single year. When I compare his older stuff to his current stuff, and forget about the extra stuff he could do and say, I much prefer the current version as Ambrose. He's like a completely different performer currently due to his current gimmick, but he is playing that better than anyone, so it backs up the faith and enjoyment I get out of watching him perform.
• I don't overrate him and don't oversell him. I don't care if people don't like him, but currently, he's one of my favourite performers in professional wrestling.

Not sure what else I can say. I'm not even sure what we're even debating here lmao.

 

[seabs]

:sadamn,that's what I get for not reading comics.

Blame Alkaline, he made me read it 1: btw Hi I'm Seabs aka the arrogant indie mark douchebag of this forum.

 

[Jonathan]

I'm not even saying the joker thing is a bad gimmick, I'd like him to show he can be great at different things. Danielson was great on the stick as the annoying prick heel and a balls to the wall babyface for example.

So if I am reading this correctly, you're both bashing him because of the gimmick WWE has given him. He hasn't had a damn chance to show anything else.

That's like me bashing a goalkeeper for never having a shot on goal, because he never has a fucking chance.

:dafuq:

 

[Crayo]

"I'll concede Dean is an average - with the right opponent good brawler with very good mic work at what he does but that's after huge steps from the performance he showed as Moxley which was the entire discussion. Feel free to debate me though people I'm as open as a prostitutes legs."

I'm quoting myself here, who is hating him? No one is, I'm conceding his good I'm just saying how I feel about him.

Ugh. I didn't say you're hating him. I have no idea why you even dragged me in here lmao... I honestly don't care if you think Ambrose, Moxley, or Jonathan Good is the worst thing in professional wrestling since Khali. This is pointless lol. You're telling me you enjoy him sometimes, I'm telling you I enjoy him all the time. We're in the LR. We could have this conversation via PM dude.

 

[Danielson]

So if I am reading this correctly, you're both bashing him because of the gimmick WWE has given him. He hasn't had a damn chance to show anything else.

That's like me bashing a goalkeeper for never having a shot on goal, because he never has a fucking chance.

:dafuq:

Stole my soccer analogy idea. -5 points.

 

[seabs]

Why? You really dragged me into a "Who's the biggest mark" thread to talk about Moxley? Lol. What do you want me to say? I'll try put shit in bulletpoints to get my general opinion about Moxley.

• Ring work doesn't bother me. I have seen far more independent promos from Moxley than I have matches.
• "One dimensional" or "over saturated" are things that don't apply here. I'm a huge mark for Heath Ledger, and I can see the comparisons with Ambrose, so telling me he's one dimensional is only another plus to put in the list of things I love about him. I love the gimmick, but more so the way he plays it, which is better than anyone I've seen in the current era. Also, being one dimensional as Moxley means nothing in a debate about him as a performer, as he has shown in WWE he can play another role. So the "can he only play one role?" question is out of the water.
• Was his mic work during Moxley overrated? Yep, probably so. He wasn't the saving grace to the independents, but he is damn right talented enough to use his exceptional mic work to be a constant main eventer in WWE.
• I think he's improved every single year. When I compare his older stuff to his current stuff, and forget about the extra stuff he could do and say, I much prefer the current version as Ambrose. He's like a completely different performer currently due to his current gimmick, but he is playing that better than anyone, so it backs up the faith and enjoyment I get out of watching him perform.
• I don't overrate him and don't oversell him. I don't care if people don't like him, but currently, he's one of my favourite performers in professional wrestling.

Not sure what else I can say. I'm not even sure what we're even debating here lmao.

I don't even know any more about anything any more, it started off as me attempting to troll Suicide about Moxley being shit which I admitted was exaggeration a moment or so later, then I just went on to his lack of variety from CZW / Heartland and how he's improved from those days to be a lot more able. We were talking about his indie career, I brought you in because I challenged someone to find me a great indie promo which wasn't the psycho stuffs and you're his biggest mark so I thought you'd have something which made you a fan as I think I remember you liking him pre-fcw. Some how his Shield work got thrown in there where his flaws (well the ones I see as flaws anyway were brought up) we made big walls of text / batman comics were brought into now I'm looking at Punk and remember I need to get back to this.

STUPID SEXY PUNK WITH THOSE MUTTON CHOPS.

 

[Crayo]

Soccer :annoyed:

 

[seabs]

So if I am reading this correctly, you're both bashing him because of the gimmick WWE has given him. He hasn't had a damn chance to show anything else.

That's like me bashing a goalkeeper for never having a shot on goal, because he never has a fucking chance.

:dafuq:

Lol you're such a fucking idiot this is about his pre WWE run.

 

[Crayo]

I don't even know any more about anything any more, it started off as me attempting to troll Suicide about Moxley being shit which I admitted was exaggeration a moment or so later, then I just went on to his lack of variety from CZW / HIP and how he's improved from those days to be a lot more able. We were talking about his indie career, I brought you in because I challenged someone to find me a great indie promo which wasn't the psycho stuffs and you're his biggest mark so I thought you'd have something which made you a fan as I think I remember you liking him pre-fcw. Some how his Shield work got thrown in there where his flaws (well the ones I see as flaws anyway were brought up) we made big walls of text / batman comics were brought into now I'm looking at Punk and remember I need to get back to this.

STUPID SEXY PUNK WITH THOSE MUTTON CHOPS.

Lol. So this was all about you not liking the style Ambrose is best at? That's fine. Though it has made this whole conversation seem incredibly pointless. I can talk about Ambrose all day, as you can tell I write a lot about him, but I'm not fond of users going onto Skype - away from a place they can get hurt - and labelling this an ownage or something. All I can see behind the walls of text is us saying we enjoy him on different levels. From what I can tell, Suicide can't be trolled, the guy makes awesome rebuttals lmao, but I am still a bigger Ambrose mark than him :finger:

One question about Moxley though, what opportunity did he have NOT to talk like the psycho? Was his gimmick not orientated around that specific niche all the time? If you were a promoter and had someone like Ambrose, would you not utilise him in his best state?

 

[Crayo]

And yes I liked him pre-FCW, just as I liked Sami Calihan. I mark for this gimmick dude lol. Though KRIMSON doesn't do it for me at all. Sami didn't either as much as Ambrose.