Who will Del Rio face at Wrestlemania?

[ahorrig]

No, Miz and Del Rio are not logical choices, they are desperate choices because the WWE sees the need to shove new guys down our throats when none of these guys have done shit in their careers.

Thats the point- they win the titles and do something that stands out for their careers. Are you saying Miz/Morrison, probably one of the most hated tag teams in history did nothing????
Del rio made rey tap out in his debut, so tell me that means nothing. Miz has charisma, has in-ring skills like del rio. And shoving down our throats?? Miz was given time to become more heel over time. Del rio is already at the stage of main-eventer. So dont tell me they are shoving guys down our throats.

 

[1chiban]

Yeah, because it isn't like The Miz has gotten the WWE more media attention in the last 6 months than they've had in years and that Del Rio hasn't been wrestling for years in Mexico right?!?!

The ironic thing is that, from what I hear, Del Rio wasn't all that amazing as Dos Caras Junior. 80% of his act is his amazing facials which he couldn't do without the act,and fortunately he is a solid wrestler - like Miz - and so can have a very good match or two when put with the right opponent.

EDIT: I'm a bit of a ADR mark in case you hadn't noticed, as I think his gimmick and delivery of promos is often pretty damn brilliant. It's not original, but I find it entertaining. I'm fine with the Miz as champ... and he should be the perfect opponent for someone like Cena at 'Mania...however he needs to be booked a little more strongly in the run-up so people think he has a chance.At the moment,Jerry Lawler looks like a legit threat which shouldn't be the case. Not that Lawler's little swansong hasn't been entertaining, as I've quite enjoyed it!

 

[Kaedon]

Thats the point- they win the titles and do something that stands out for their careers. Are you saying Miz/Morrison, probably one of the most hated tag teams in history did nothing????

The point is not to give a guy a title and then see what he can do; the greatest wrestlers of all time got themselves over and THEN were given the title. They didn't need to be given the world title to get over, they got over on their own.

And as far as MnM2k, in the annals of WWE tag team history, those guys will be a footnote. The only thing good they ever did was their interview segment. Their matches were subpar to say the least back then.

Del rio made rey tap out in his debut, so tell me that means nothing.

Ok, it means nothing. Know why? Because it wasn't memorable. Kozlov beat the Undertaker clean on SD once, no one remembers because it was irrelevant.

Miz has charisma, has in-ring skills like del rio. And shoving down our throats?? Miz was given time to become more heel over time. Del rio is already at the stage of main-eventer. So dont tell me they are shoving guys down our throats.

Given time? You mean the time he did pretty much nothing with John Morrison other than crack a few jokes? And why is Del Rio a main eventer? What's he done? Absolutely fucking NOTHING. What classic moment has he had? What amazing match did he pull off? NONE.

Oh come on. Cena and Orton are getting the loudest cheers because the kids love them. By your reasoning that the most over guys should be headlining Wrestlemania, then I guess Rey Mysterio for the WHC?

Uh yeah, because those are the guys who put asses in seats. No one is paying their money to see Miz, they are paying their money to see Cena, Orton, HHH, Edge, and Rey.

and so can have a very good match or two when put with the right opponent.

"When put with the right opponent" meaning "when given an opponent who can carry their sorry asses and make up for their lack of in ring skill." Ric Flair, HBK, Bret Hart, Austin, Hogan, they didn't need "the right" guy, they could have a memorable match with ANYONE. The fact that they "need the right opponent" is a joke.

 

[Kaedon]

This part is my favourite. Remember K-man listing Daniel Bryan as one of the guys who potentially hold the title? That can't possibly be based on his WWE run as he's been there less than Miz has, so it has to be his indy experience.

Must be nice to be able to pick and choose whose background you'd like to acknowledge based on what is convenient to your argument.

yeah was Del Rio working night in and night out like they do in the indies, or was he doing one or two matches a week? I've looked around and haven't found shit about him so until I see something substantive, I'll stand by what I said. Hey, I know a radio personality who had a few matches back in 2005 here in WI. He's done 1 or 2 matches a year since, does that mean he's been wrestling for as long as Miz and he's got the experience to be the cornerstone of a company or is he just doing shows here and there?

 

[Luke Flywalker]

^Miz wasn't "just doing shows here and there".

It's funny to me also that, most of the guys you list as credible champions, have all praised Miz's work ethic and the journey he took to prove himself worthy of this opportunity. Cena, Triple H, Punk, Edge... they've ALL given Miz credit.

Oh, but I guess that counts for nothing other than them just being good employees and applauding the company and brown-nosing...

 

[Kaedon]

Yeah, it's a great idea to shit on the champion. Like it or not, that's who they have to put over. If they degrade him, they hurt themselves. I can do it because I'm just a guy online. Put I do find it funny when Nash DARED to say the Miz is a bad champ he was labeled as "jealous", "stupid", and a host of other things.

 

[Axis]

Holy shit. Can everybody just refuse to talk about Miz to Kaedeon in treads not about Miz? Just don't fucking do it.

 

[Kaedon]

While I can't say this match with Edge will be worse than the WM 21 main events of Batista/HHH and JBL/Cena, I dont think they will be that far off. Alberto is yet another unproven jobber the WWE is trying to shove down our throats. This may go down as one of the worst Wrestlemania's of all time if we get Cena/Miz and Edge/Del Rio as the main events.....

For the record, I'd like to point out I only mentioned him in passing. The fact that some people keep bringing Miz up as a topic isn't my concern. I'll argue with anyone anywhere about that, but I didn't come into this ADR thread going "FUCK THE MIZ" in all of my posts until someone else brought him up.

 

[ahorrig]

Kaedon, please explain to me what wwe is going to do once cena/orton/HHH and all those guys are gone? They have to bring up superstars or there will be no main eventers in the company.

 

[Airfixx]

The ironic thing is that, from what I hear, Del Rio wasn't all that amazing as Dos Caras Junior. 80% of his act is his amazing facials which he couldn't do without the act

I was under the impression that Dos Caras (2 faces) was a masked gimmick.

 

[Kaedon]

Kaedon, please explain to me what wwe is going to do once cena/orton/HHH and all those guys are gone? They have to bring up superstars or there will be no main eventers in the company.

Cena and Orton and probably even Edge and CM Punk are a good DECADE away from being retired. You're telling me they can't build a new star in 10 fucking years? No one is saying these guys can't have a main event program, if they earn it, but you don't just slap the title on a guy and hope for the best, that's Blue.

 

[Luke Flywalker]

Cena and Orton and probably even Edge and CM Punk are a good DECADE away from being retired. You're telling me they can't build a new star in 10 fucking years? No one is saying these guys can't have a main event program, if they earn it, but you don't just slap the title on a guy and hope for the best, that's Blue.

Not to discredit your decade away thing; but WWE officials believe Edge is maybe 1-3 years away from retiring, and many believe 2011 will be his last full-schedule year in the business.

As far as Orton, Del Rio's better in the ring than Orton, and he's possibly got a more substantial reaction because he can actually play to the crowd and deliver promos... granted, the crowd pops a lot louder for Orton than they give Del Rio heat, but Del Rio's got all the makings to surpass that once you put the strap on his shoulder.

 

[Kaedon]

Not to discredit your decade away thing; but WWE officials believe Edge is maybe 1-3 years away from retiring, and many believe 2011 will be his last full-schedule year in the business.

As far as Orton, Del Rio's better in the ring than Orton, and he's possibly got a more substantial reaction because he can actually play to the crowd and deliver promos... granted, the crowd pops a lot louder for Orton than they give Del Rio heat, but Del Rio's got all the makings to surpass that once you put the strap on his shoulder.

Yeah, how many times has Kane, Taker, Booker T, Sting and so many others been rumored to be "retiring next year". And, I know a local radio shot host who got in the ring years before Orton or Cena did, does that mean he's more qualified to be champion? How often was he wrestling? 8 times a week like Ric Flair, going from town to town like Flair or a few nights a week in a venue that gives away tickets like The Miz?

 

[Luke Flywalker]

You're right, Kaedon. Del Rio didn't wrestle 13 nights a week at local fairgrounds that draw 1,000 people JUST to entertain 1,000 people.


Come on man, that's like saying an NFL player who walked onto a team and became successful is less credible than a guy who played all the way from Pop Warner to High School to college to being drafted and starting and not finding the immediate success that the walk-on did and never matching what the walk on does on the field.

Granted, Ric Flair isn't that guy who didn't find that success after slugging it out his entire life, he slugged it out and put up the best numbers; but since you want to rule out people being comparable to legends, don't compare Del Rio to Flair! NOBODY compares to Flair... not the best of today, yesteryear, or even the 80's and 90's. Flair completely trumps all of 'em.

I mean, shit, by your standards, Jeff Jarrett is one of the three greatest wrestlers of all time and should never go a day in his life title-less unless of course he's defending that belt against Hogan... or Flair.

But since you're going to compare; Del Rio DID bust his ass and was on pace to compete in the Olympics, and would have had it not been for Mexico refusing to send a wrestling team in 2000. The dude wrestled his ass off day in and night out in the Latin world, and made his way to Japan and was fairly successful there as well. I suggest you read up on the guy a bit, and I don't know where you get this notion that no wrestlers today put in more than 3 matches a week... plenty of them are doing way more than that.

 

[Kaedon]

While I will not discredit an amateur background totally, I will defer to Jim Cornette "Rulan Gardner is a hell of a wrestler, but he wouldn't be much of a worker".