What do you believe in?

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I was raised in a Catholic household. As I've gotten older I've come to the conclusion that I believe in God but I'm not sure what exactly I believe in. I don't support organized religion since I think it's just a way to contain people into one widely supported idea that might be very wrong. I'd rather think for myself than be influenced by ideas that may or may not be correct. I think the most important thing is to live one's life with honesty, integrity, and fulfillment than to construct oneself into another social norm.
 

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Meshuggah said:
No, I never said a UFO=Aliens, I said it is proof there is something else out there. I'm sorry, but can you explain to me how people in the 40's can see a flying object that is 2000+ miles per hour? Nothing was advanced enough in that time to run that type of speed.

I am not going to sit here and say, yes, UFO means there are little grey people. All I am saying, is that the UFO's reported in the 40's and 50's, could not have been man made, so who made it? Secondly, yes, I know UFO pictures and video can be altered, however, like I already said, 50 thousand people saw the same exact thing that was being reported, at the same exact time, and the same exact place. Was it some kinda hoax? Again, be realistic. UFO sightings, once again, are real. Yes, UFO means unidentified flying object, but when that unidentified flying object is using technology beyond our belief, it raises the question, who could have made it? Why does THIS unidentified flying object, look the same as what the egyptians reported seeing? Your saying there were flying objects back then? Made by us? Of course not.

How is it that, were seeing the same unidentified flying objects, as they saw way back then? Did the egyptians use photoshop to edit their carvings? Think about it for a second, soak it in just for a little bit. Open your mind up, just for a second.

The sun god and aliens are two completely different things. Again, your using something totally off subject to justify yourself. We learned that the sun is simply a sun, we haven't learned why were seeing these UFO's in the sky, something that has been seen long before the sun god, long before any religion, it's a bit hard to just brush off. Again, not to be rude, but learn to read. I have said, time and time again, that their is no direct proof of aliens. I said UFO's are the CLOSEST thing to proof, as of now, that were going to get to support the "life somewhere else in the universe" theory. It surprises me, when people have seen UFO's, they still deny it. Humans go in denial so far its ridiculous. You see it, then you believe it, right? If your completely sober, and had a good nights sleep, and you see an unidentifed flying object in the sky, with technology never seen before, what are you telling yourself? Oh, its no big deal? Never said they existed, it's a high possibility. There is more reference to aliens than any other entity, including god. Aliens are referenced to in the bible, in science, and in times before religion and science were ever thought of. I know your going to use a cupcake picture next, and tell me that it has evil demons inside of it, or something ridiculous to try and get your point across, but that's fine, you don't have to believe in anything, or even give it an ounce of thought, if you so choose to do so, however, this is only my belief, I am not going to say I am right or wrong.

Also, your gravity comparison is just...really? We have figured out gravity, we know gravity exists, also, planes can't defy gravity, only to a certain limit. If a place goes to high in the air...well, you know what can happen..

I am not trying to justify me as being right, I am trying to justify my own belief, everything I have used is related to UFO's and aliens, not once did I say aliens exist, I said high possibility, its possible, and that theres a vast chance of another life species being out there, instead of just us. I have said this in my posts already.

The first aircraft was developed in 1911 correct? It's not impossible to say those seen 30 years later were man made correct? Just because we don't know about a technology the human race has developed means it can't have been us? I'm not a conspiracy nut but things have been developed for years in secret, the military does it all the time. Who's to say those UFOs weren't military prototypes being tested? You must admit it's a slightly more commonly accepted notion than aliens. More of a possibility than aliens IMO.

As I said before you can link your arguments back to the egyptian reports all you want and I'll refute it with Ra, they said there was a god in charge of the sun can you fully dispute them now? Absolutely and you can dispute the theory about the aliens with the same notion, it was something they wanted to believe or saw with their uneducated mindset and made the assumption.

My gravity explanation is valid, you're saying the universe is large therefore there is a high possibility of aliens and classing that as evidence correct? So if I see a plane in the sky I can't claim gravity is false? I mean they're too ideas which operate on the same principle, just mine used real world application to point out the flaw in yours.

Aliens are referenced in science? So was god during many factors of history. You're claiming proof where it isn't present, show me some kind of evidence which can't be easily disputed otherwise don't claim you have proof.

So far we have :

Cave paintings - Ra theory shows this could easily be incorrect due to the beliefs present around the time.

The universe is large so it must have something else in it - planes fly therefore gravity doesn't exist.

The ufos seen in the 40s / 50s - Aircraft being tested, if it was a new technology it won't have been known publicly so people would have been confused, as for the 2000 mile an hour claim if someone had never seen that how do they know what it looks like? Also would you trust someone with a naked eye to evaluate speed accurately?

Pictures / videos - many have been proven to have been altered, we could claim the lochness monster or big foot exist with the same principle surely?

I'm not trying to shit on your beliefs here and apologies if it seems that way but you must understand why I'm sceptical, surely?
 

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Jonathan said:
I find it hard to believe that the size of the observable universe alone, nevermind what we can't see, doesn't contain other forms of life.

Why are you so quick to dismiss religion then?
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
Why are you so quick to dismiss religion then?

The idea that one person made somethign as complex as the world and the universe is just not possible to believe. Why would 'god' only make one planet with life on (that we know) ?

Evolution is a much more plausible theory. Also considering there were dinosaurs before people, would 'god' make dinosaurs first? :hmm:
 

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Jonathan said:
The idea that one person made somethign as complex as the world and the universe is just not possible to believe. Why would 'god' only make one planet with life on (that we know) ?

Evolution is a much more plausible theory. Also considering there were dinosaurs before people, would 'god' make dinosaurs first? :hmm:

Why not? Dinosaurs are awesome!
 
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Jonathan said:
The idea that one person made somethign as complex as the world and the universe is just not possible to believe. Why would 'god' only make one planet with life on (that we know) ?

Evolution is a much more plausible theory. Also considering there were dinosaurs before people, would 'god' make dinosaurs first? :hmm:

So you'll admit the universe is too vast for us to be alone yet you'll dismiss the idea of a deity creating that universe? Also who's to say this god created the dinosaurs as a prototype, surely our genealogy is too complex and vast to have happened by chance just as the universe is too vast for us to be alone.
 
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Jonathan said:
The idea that one person made somethign as complex as the world and the universe is just not possible to believe. Why would 'god' only make one planet with life on (that we know) ?

Evolution is a much more plausible theory. Also considering there were dinosaurs before people, would 'god' make dinosaurs first? :hmm:

Dude i love to disagree with you. A deity =/= a person you fucking douche. We only know of one person, but what you are doing is only choosing jesus/christian god as far as i can tell, and choosing it all from there on your own opinion. Evolution isn't plausable because the big bang likelyhood is next to nothing for the event happening.

The flood is documented in 7+ religions, and all have it around the same period of time and were not connected to one another through trade routes. I am not saying im wrong but for you to be sarcastic about it is laughable. You have your opinion, ill have mine. As always, get back to me in a decade, you still live with your parents.
 
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Dirk Diggler said:
Komodos are cool as f*ck tbf.

My father once owned one, he had it in his home, and it was the funniest thing one night. My dads friend came over to get away from his psycho wife. When the psycho wife ended up blowing the door open, she started yelling at my dads friend(her husband)and looked down to see the komodo dragon going towards her, she slammed the down and ran. She didn't even get 5 words out of her mouth before she saw it.

I LMAO.
 

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Jonathan said:
The idea that one person made somethign as complex as the world and the universe is just not possible to believe. Why would 'god' only make one planet with life on (that we know) ?

Evolution is a much more plausible theory. Also considering there were dinosaurs before people, would 'god' make dinosaurs first? :hmm:

Try again later.
 

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Meshuggah said:
See, this is where you took what I said out of context. The social norm? Like I said before, UFO sightings have been around long before anyone reported seeing an alien. Yeah, maybe now it would be a social norm, but back then? It is something you will have to experience or see for yourself to believe, so I know this thread is a bit out there to some of you. For me, however, I stand by my theories and my research.

th


Your right, that looks exactly like a meteor. :pity:

lol dude how high are you?
 

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The Big Bang theory and Evolution hardly have anything to do with each other. Lol