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Meshuggah said:
Lmao. Mostly everyone who experiences alien contact explains it the same. Little grey people, big eyes, no eyebrows or eyelashes(may I remind you that these were described looking this way long before hollywood took over and smashed it to the ground), cold, a sulfur like smell, and webbed feet.

I read a study once, where people would describe things based on the perspective of the social norm for it to be more accepted. Now, I don't know how accepting a Alien sighting is, but I think subconsciously(even if they did see one) They tend to go with what they've heard just to make it seem more believable. I'm sure they already have a hard time enough believing they saw an alien. How would they be able to explain they were 2 foot tall midgets? Oh well, good day.
 

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I'll just chime in to debunk the carving issue. The cavemen you speak of did not have any technology whatsoever. I'm sure their carvings were based on comets/meteorites. Like seabs said, there is no concrete evidence either way, so it's hard to debate.
 

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I'm pretty dismissive of the specific "aliens" idea as far as little green men are concerned, but given the vast size of the universe, I'd say calculating the odds that we're definitely not alone in the universe.
 

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Danielson said:
I read a study once, where people would describe things based on the perspective of the social norm for it to be more accepted. Now, I don't know how accepting a Alien sighting is, but I think subconsciously(even if they did see one) They tend to go with what they've heard just to make it seem more believable. I'm sure they already have a hard time enough believing they saw an alien. How would they be able to explain they were 2 foot tall midgets? Oh well, good day.

See, this is where you took what I said out of context. The social norm? Like I said before, UFO sightings have been around long before anyone reported seeing an alien. Yeah, maybe now it would be a social norm, but back then? It is something you will have to experience or see for yourself to believe, so I know this thread is a bit out there to some of you. For me, however, I stand by my theories and my research.

th


Your right, that looks exactly like a meteor. :pity:
 

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Meshuggah said:
Yes, thats a football, anyway, back on subject. UFO's are real, thats more proof of alien life than we have of, say, god. Dinosaurs, do you believe in them? Bones show proof, or some form of proof of their existance. We weren't there, we don't know if dinosaurs actually exist, buy we have bones that provide more proof than any religious man can prove for god.

Same with alien life, UFO sightings have been caught on tape, and photo. It may not be proof of alien existance, but its the best proof we got, it is some physical proof. Now, take this in mind, carvings, right? Thousands and thousands of years ago people carved into stone(because they didn't have video cameras back then :rock:)what were, UFO's, some even abducting or killing people. Tribes report them, cavemen reported them, egyptians reported. These carvings, from thousands of years ago, look the exact same as what people report seeing today. So, how do you explain that? No one can, I am not saying my belief is better than anyone else's, and, if I did, I apologize for that misunderstanding. However, all I am saying, is that there are more proof of alien or other life existance our there, rather than there being a god. "Other planets don't mean other life"? So, you think we are the only life forms in all of the galaxy? Come on now...be a little bit more real here, thats just close minded and naive to say.

Do we know for sure? No, but if we were the ONLY life forms, in ALL of the universe, on this ONE planet, then we would truly be a miracle.

A UFO is an unidentified flying object, correct? Once again how does something flying = Aliens? It doesn't, the bones physically show something lived I'm not asking for photographic proof, I'm looking for some kind of proof. You're offering none, in one hand you have a bone of a dinosaur right, you can touch it. You're mocking a religious man for praising an invisible deity justified by his faith in the theory, how is this any different from what you are doing? You're taking an idea based upon nothing but wild speculation and using "proof" which is flawed, many of those alien tapes or pictures are proven to have been altered in some way. They are in no way to be taken as evidence any more than the bible can be taken as a proof of god.

Thousands of years ago people carved the sun god ra into stone, should I praise him every sunrise and beg for his forgiveness at every sunset?

Once again you're misunderstand the term proof, there isn't any if there was we could use it as a debating tool. You can't say definitively aliens exist and use source A, B and C. You can interpret it sure but you can't go out and prove it, since you didn't like my football metaphor we'll use gravity. I'll say gravity doesn't exist, I jump out of my window and boom I hit the floor. Now I'll look up and say wow that plane flies if this gravity thing existed that couldn't happen. See what I mean? You're taking two events and comparing a common correlation (things flying = no gravity) but not the actual cause (propulsion or whatever it is for planes)

I haven't expressed my view point on where we're alone or not but just because the odds are unfavourable doesn't mean it isn't so, what are the chances we'll just happen to stumble upon a planet with perfect living conditions for us a species? Given the size of the universe I'd say vast but it happened, was it divine? I'm not saying as I'm not religious, was it aliens? Once again I'll not say as I don't believe in those either. I'm not closed minded or anything I'll try anything from any angle I've just attempted to understand your theory and I'm seeing nothing but flaws and random correlations thrown together to offer some logic to an opinion which has none. You don't have to back up your opinions but you shouldn't attempt to justify them with falsehoods too.
 

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Meshuggah said:
See, this is where you took what I said out of context. The social norm? Like I said before, UFO sightings have been around long before anyone reported seeing an alien. Yeah, maybe now it would be a social norm, but back then? It is something you will have to experience or see for yourself to believe, so I know this thread is a bit out there to some of you. For me, however, I stand by my theories and my research.

th


Your right, that looks exactly like a meteor. :pity:

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This is Ra in cave painting form, is this proof he exists too?
 
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Do you believe in love? 80's FTW :obama:

This shit is pretty serious, these threads are god-awful as the person who wins the arguement isn't right or wrong, they just are better at articulating their argument. :pity:
 

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Aids Johnson. said:


Do you believe in love? 80's FTW :obama:

This shit is pretty serious, these threads are god-awful as the person who wins the arguement isn't right or wrong, they just are better at articulating their argument. :pity:


I completely agree, I even made the same point earlier on but it's so easy to get into after a while lol.
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
Btw Hip to be Square > all other HL&TN songs

I disagree because I love the scene from Back to the Future where this is playing:

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=teIjLbHOvZE[/video]
 

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From aliens to timetravel somehow you've stayed on topic via video.



This is the main reason I <3 Hip to be square, great film.
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
Btw Hip to be Square > all other HL&TN songs

Debatable. I think the beauty of the issue is even people who have 90% similar views are still going to get pissed off/defensive over the 10% they dont agree on. Our planet is old, we as a people are shaky with out histories (history is written by the victor) and to assume we are alone in the space is crazy. Do i have proof? No, but common sense tells me the possibilities are astounding.

I go to church weekly, and believe in a higher power. That being said, it doesnt mean i think gay people arent loved by god or that the earth was created in 7 days (though i believe the perception can be any number of possibilities) or we are 4k total old. That is crazy. Am i right? Maybe. The real issue is we all want something we can see, hold, view, and then we have Steven Hawkins and the like, who make our views infinitely more options.

Oh well.
 

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Dirk Diggler said:
A UFO is an unidentified flying object, correct? Once again how does something flying = Aliens? It doesn't, the bones physically show something lived I'm not asking for photographic proof, I'm looking for some kind of proof. You're offering none, in one hand you have a bone of a dinosaur right, you can touch it. You're mocking a religious man for praising an invisible deity justified by his faith in the theory, how is this any different from what you are doing? You're taking an idea based upon nothing but wild speculation and using "proof" which is flawed, many of those alien tapes or pictures are proven to have been altered in some way. They are in no way to be taken as evidence any more than the bible can be taken as a proof of god.

Thousands of years ago people carved the sun god ra into stone, should I praise him every sunrise and beg for his forgiveness at every sunset?

Once again you're misunderstand the term proof, there isn't any if there was we could use it as a debating tool. You can't say definitively aliens exist and use source A, B and C. You can interpret it sure but you can't go out and prove it, since you didn't like my football metaphor we'll use gravity. I'll say gravity doesn't exist, I jump out of my window and boom I hit the floor. Now I'll look up and say wow that plane flies if this gravity thing existed that couldn't happen. See what I mean? You're taking two events and comparing a common correlation (things flying = no gravity) but not the actual cause (propulsion or whatever it is for planes)

I haven't expressed my view point on where we're alone or not but just because the odds are unfavourable doesn't mean it isn't so, what are the chances we'll just happen to stumble upon a planet with perfect living conditions for us a species? Given the size of the universe I'd say vast but it happened, was it divine? I'm not saying as I'm not religious, was it aliens? Once again I'll not say as I don't believe in those either. I'm not closed minded or anything I'll try anything from any angle I've just attempted to understand your theory and I'm seeing nothing but flaws and random correlations thrown together to offer some logic to an opinion which has none. You don't have to back up your opinions but you shouldn't attempt to justify them with falsehoods too.

No, I never said a UFO=Aliens, I said it is proof there is something else out there. I'm sorry, but can you explain to me how people in the 40's can see a flying object that is 2000+ miles per hour? Nothing was advanced enough in that time to run that type of speed.

I am not going to sit here and say, yes, UFO means there are little grey people. All I am saying, is that the UFO's reported in the 40's and 50's, could not have been man made, so who made it? Secondly, yes, I know UFO pictures and video can be altered, however, like I already said, 50 thousand people saw the same exact thing that was being reported, at the same exact time, and the same exact place. Was it some kinda hoax? Again, be realistic. UFO sightings, once again, are real. Yes, UFO means unidentified flying object, but when that unidentified flying object is using technology beyond our belief, it raises the question, who could have made it? Why does THIS unidentified flying object, look the same as what the egyptians reported seeing? Your saying there were flying objects back then? Made by us? Of course not.

How is it that, were seeing the same unidentified flying objects, as they saw way back then? Did the egyptians use photoshop to edit their carvings? Think about it for a second, soak it in just for a little bit. Open your mind up, just for a second.

The sun god and aliens are two completely different things. Again, your using something totally off subject to justify yourself. We learned that the sun is simply a sun, we haven't learned why were seeing these UFO's in the sky, something that has been seen long before the sun god, long before any religion, it's a bit hard to just brush off. Again, not to be rude, but learn to read. I have said, time and time again, that their is no direct proof of aliens. I said UFO's are the CLOSEST thing to proof, as of now, that were going to get to support the "life somewhere else in the universe" theory. It surprises me, when people have seen UFO's, they still deny it. Humans go in denial so far its ridiculous. You see it, then you believe it, right? If your completely sober, and had a good nights sleep, and you see an unidentifed flying object in the sky, with technology never seen before, what are you telling yourself? Oh, its no big deal? Never said they existed, it's a high possibility. There is more reference to aliens than any other entity, including god. Aliens are referenced to in the bible, in science, and in times before religion and science were ever thought of. I know your going to use a cupcake picture next, and tell me that it has evil demons inside of it, or something ridiculous to try and get your point across, but that's fine, you don't have to believe in anything, or even give it an ounce of thought, if you so choose to do so, however, this is only my belief, I am not going to say I am right or wrong.

Also, your gravity comparison is just...really? We have figured out gravity, we know gravity exists, also, planes can't defy gravity, only to a certain limit. If a place goes to high in the air...well, you know what can happen..

I am not trying to justify me as being right, I am trying to justify my own belief, everything I have used is related to UFO's and aliens, not once did I say aliens exist, I said high possibility, its possible, and that theres a vast chance of another life species being out there, instead of just us. I have said this in my posts already.
 

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I find it hard to believe that the size of the observable universe alone, nevermind what we can't see, doesn't contain other forms of life.
 

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I'm gonna leave this conversation with one last thing for you guys to think about. Because I care enough for you guys to :obama:

Alien life is not like religion, nor is it like a sun god or a soccer ball. If it were, scientists, and the government, and NASA themselves would not be so involved with it if it were just something to brush off. A government official once said, about a UFO question: "There are a lot of things that you cannot tell common man, Because, its not within his realm to really understand what the big picture is."

Just a train of thought for you guys to go on. Peace.