Wasted Talent...

[Montana]

Oh ok, i got you, he was waste'd huh.

I know what you mean....

he should have debuted at the 2005 royal rumble....AND win it.

He should have went on to destroy HHH at wm 21, to become the first world champ to only be with the company 4 months.

He THEN should have knocked off guys like Hogan, HBK, HHH, Cena and others.

Great strategy there....The guy was a upper mid card heel, he couldnt go any higher without the championship, how did he deserve the championship?!!? How was he wasted? Should he have not fueded with Hogan/HBK/Jericho/Undertaker? He wrestled from Jan. 2005 (officially) to July 2005. He did taped segments in 2004. So How in the hell did he deserve more than what he got in those 6 months. Stop argueing already, just admit im right.

 

[Kaedon]

So firing him wasnt a misuse?

 

[Great One]

Lol... how are you right, you're not even getting my point. He had more heel heat than anyone at the time and maybe anyone ever. And he got squashed by John Cena, he didn't beat him (he actually put over John Cena and lost his streak to him). He got squashed by Hogan as well... and Taker. While he was feuding with them all, he was building up heat and gaining exposure FOR FUCKING WHAT? RIGHT NOTHING, BECAUSE HE GOT RELEASED THE NEXT DAY AND ALL OF HIS HIGH PROFILE FEUDS WERE PUT TO WASTE AND HE DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH SHIT. Thank you, Muhammad Hassan was a wasted talent and a wasted character who could of went on for years being a top heel guy possibly in IC title-upper mid card contention, no where did I fucking say and no where does it state he had to win the title to be labled as not wasted, he just didn't have to be completely bitched around with and feud with ALL of the people you just stated (which actually proved my right in a sense) for absolutely NOTHING. THAT, is wasted.

So firing him wasnt a misuse?

I guess it could be in a sense, but that's not the way I'm seeing it, guess it depends on perspective.

 

[Beer Money Army]

Aussie, thats YOU. YOU are not everyone. YOU do not speak for anymore than a very SMALL percentage of the wrestling fans. YOU and I may have seen that they were great workers and they were "over" with us but they weren't over with the people who pay the bills. Were you buying WCW PPVs for the undercard? No. No one did, unless they had a lot of money to blow. They guys who the MOST fans liked were the guys who had a character for the fans to get behind, not just the guys who are the most athletic.

i did actually order some WCW in 2000-2001. for the other Matches because the main events were Pretty Weak..

I.E.
WCW Sin 2001.. I didn't order it for the main event.. because the build up for it was lame as.. I only Like jeff Jarrett in that Main event and i can tell he wasnt going get the c'ship
(i was mostly Interested in the J.Dragons/3 count/Knoble/Evan feud and Matches in that time.. Plus the helms/Chavo matches were pretty.)

Steiner/Nash 2/3 falls I had lil interested cause Nash. but i thought the match would blow. I did order this one cause of the 6 way elmination, the tag battle of the natural born thrillers, chavo vs rey and DDp vs Jarrett.

The WCW 2000 i order was the one with Booker T Defending His World championship... because i always like booker t since when i first saw Him wrestling in 1994 when i got into WCW. i always thought he was going be an future world champion and the future of pro Wrestling or I.E. Mainsteam Wrestling.

You and I have different views on wrestling. like i like the excellent in ring wrestling skills of matches with Good promo's that have that real feeling and not that over the top fake ass bullshit that WWE does in a couple of there storylines....

 

[Kaedon]

i did actually order some WCW in 2000-2001. for the other Matches because the main events were Pretty Weak..

I.E.
WCW Sin 2001.. I didn't order it for the main event.. because the build up for it was lame as.. I only Like jeff Jarrett in that Main event and i can tell he wasnt going get the c'ship
(i was mostly Interested in the J.Dragons/3 count/Knoble/Evan feud and Matches in that time.. Plus the helms/Chavo matches were pretty.)

Steiner/Nash 2/3 falls I had lil interested cause Nash. but i thought the match would blow. I did order this one cause of the 6 way elmination, the tag battle of the natural born thrillers, chavo vs rey and DDp vs Jarrett.

The WCW 2000 i order was the one with Booker T Defending His World championship... because i always like booker t since when i first saw Him wrestling in 1994 when i got into WCW. i always thought he was going be an future world champion and the future of pro Wrestling or I.E. Mainsteam Wrestling.

You and I have different views on wrestling. like i like the excellent in ring wrestling skills of matches with Good promo's that have that real feeling and not that over the top fake ass bullshit that WWE does in a couple of there storylines....

You ordered a few. Wow, you are so the type of fan that bankrolls a company. NOT.

And our personal opinions on what we think makes someone entertaining has nothing to do with this, that's what you dont get. The fact that I got great enjoyment out of every Benoit/Malenko match I had ever seen means nothing. The fact that I taped every match Benoit had on Nitro and Thunder for about a 2 year span means NOTHING because its just ME. I am not bankrolling a company and thus just because I like someone doesnt mean they are "wasted talent" just because they have a better workrate than someone else. A company will not ever, unless I get to be a writer or something, depend on my personal opinion.

Looking at it OBJECTIVELY and looking at wrestlings past and present, who are the biggest draws? The guys who have CHARACTERS!! The Warrior was fucking repulsive in the ring but it was something the fans could get behind. Workrate doesnt mean SHIT about how a guy is used. He has to be able to get over. As many chances as all these guys are given to do something special either in the ring or otherwise, they piss it away and some bitch about not "getting pushed" when they do nothing to stand out.

 

[excellence of execution]

the biggest waste of talent was the warlord in the early 90s,he had the same explosive power as goldberg and lesnar and could have been a dominant intercontinental champion but instead he was scraped because of the steroid chants that he received from the crowd.

 

[Montana]

Lol... how are you right, you're not even getting my point. He had more heel heat than anyone at the time and maybe anyone ever. And he got squashed by John Cena, he didn't beat him (he actually put over John Cena and lost his streak to him). He got squashed by Hogan as well... and Taker. While he was feuding with them all, he was building up heat and gaining exposure FOR FUCKING WHAT? RIGHT NOTHING, BECAUSE HE GOT RELEASED THE NEXT DAY AND ALL OF HIS HIGH PROFILE FEUDS WERE PUT TO WASTE AND HE DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH SHIT. Thank you, Muhammad Hassan was a wasted talent and a wasted character who could of went on for years being a top heel guy possibly in IC title-upper mid card contention, no where did I fucking say and no where does it state he had to win the title to be labled as not wasted, he just didn't have to be completely bitched around with and feud with ALL of the people you just stated (which actually proved my right in a sense) for absolutely NOTHING. THAT, is wasted.

I guess it could be in a sense, but that's not the way I'm seeing it, guess it depends on perspective.

lol, your not getting my point. I understand he was a very over heel, and i can understand why you think what you think, But it contradicts itself. Anyone who gets canned for the reason he got canned is wasted. Its business, those things happen. I'm talking about what he actually did during those 6 months, not knowing if he would be released. Your saying he shouldn't have lost to Cena/Taker/hogan? Or he shouldn't have been in the ring with those big names...but you did say he was the most over heel.

So lets say if Haasan would have stuck to low mid cards, and won the IC belt...he still would have been wasted, cause he would have been canned a few months later.

As far as his heat, it was real cheap heat for one, and looking back, the wwe in my opinion used him right. You can't push a guy too fast, especially like that.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think it basically comes down to you thinking he shouldnt have been released, and im only looking at his 9 month run before he got canned.

I think we will both agree, a Haasan return now'ish would be great. We rarely disagree on anything, but i think we were just looking at this from two different views.

 

[Nancy Di Loreto]

lol, your not getting my point. I understand he was a very over heel, and i can understand why you think what you think, But it contradicts itself. Anyone who gets canned for the reason he got canned is wasted. Its business, those things happen. I'm talking about what he actually did during those 6 months, not knowing if he would be released. Your saying he shouldn't have lost to Cena/Taker/hogan? Or he shouldn't have been in the ring with those big names...but you did say he was the most over heel.

So lets say if Haasan would have stuck to low mid cards, and won the IC belt...he still would have been wasted, cause he would have been canned a few months later.

As far as his heat, it was real cheap heat for one, and looking back, the wwe in my opinion used him right. You can't push a guy too fast, especially like that.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think it basically comes down to you thinking he shouldnt have been released, and im only looking at his 9 month run before he got canned.

I think we will both agree, a Haasan return now'ish would be great. We rarely disagree on anything, but i think we were just looking at this from two different views.

Thank you. I have never felt Hassen had misused, considering the amount of heat he got. Hassen would have been misused, if he were stuck on the jobbing position on RAW with a weak gimmick...

 

[Great One]

lol, your not getting my point. I understand he was a very over heel, and i can understand why you think what you think, But it contradicts itself. Anyone who gets canned for the reason he got canned is wasted. Its business, those things happen. I'm talking about what he actually did during those 6 months, not knowing if he would be released. Your saying he shouldn't have lost to Cena/Taker/hogan? Or he shouldn't have been in the ring with those big names...but you did say he was the most over heel.

I think it's great he feuded with those big names, but to what avail when he just gets released later? I mean look at Daivari, he's nowhere near as over as he use to be with Hassan, Hassan could or could not be in the same position.

So lets say if Haasan would have stuck to low mid cards, and won the IC belt...he still would have been wasted, cause he would have been canned a few months later.

This is still my point... regardless he would have been wasted and that's why I labeled him a wasted talent, were you not saying otherwise?

As far as his heat, it was real cheap heat for one, and looking back, the wwe in my opinion used him right. You can't push a guy too fast, especially like that.

Yes, it was cheap heat, and I agree with the pace they pushed him at (it might have even been too fast, tbh), that's still irrelevant to the fact that he was fucking wasted in the end.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I think it basically comes down to you thinking he shouldnt have been released, and im only looking at his 9 month run before he got canned.

I enjoyed his run, but it falls into my entire point of which yes, his run was 'successful', but it lead to nothing, I guess I see how we can be looking at this in different views as I'm seeing this more of a long term waste.

I think we will both agree, a Haasan return now'ish would be great. We rarely disagree on anything, but i think we were just looking at this from two different views.

Agreed somewhat, he would be nowhere near as over as a heel probably.

 

[Beer Money Army]

Daivari is one of the few men That HBK hasn't got a pinfall or actually a victory in one on One Matches.

 

[chavoheat]

I really wanted to see where they were going with the Hassan main event push.