Theory: Triple H & Stephanie McMahon played politics and got Chris Kreski demoted & Chyna fired

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Were you working for WWE in 2000? That would make a lot of sense.

You tried implying Chris Kreski the 2nd most successful wrestling writer after Vince Russo sucked because the owner’s skank daughter Stephanie McMahon got handed the head writer position with absolutely zero experience at the age of 24.

You don’t know what you’re talking about as pertains to Chris Kreski
 
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WWF had peak ratings. He was still on creative team they just made Stephanie the head of creative, it’s was political. If it happened today there would be huge huge backlash and a stock crash. Stephanie is entitled and has no clue about the real world.




She was in the middle of a series with Lita and said would drop the belt to her. She just didn’t like that they weren’t properly trained... Finlay would come in later in the year to fix that.

Either way no man had a problem jobbing to her and she was put in women’s division out of the blue when Stephanie became head writer.

Chyna was getting more and more popular and had the belt, she was their 2nd most popular asset outside The Rock.




I didn’t go off topic, I responded to misinformed folks. Chyna was always in the op, now she’s in the title so it’s on topic.

You claimed Chyna’s value was depleting, whether due to lack of knowledge or attempt to discredit her I don’t know or care, but factually she was getting more and more popular, having more value as time went on and was even being considered for Terminator 3, her popularity was peaking and she was their most popular asset outside of The Rock

Again, go back and actually watch 2001.

Once the Lita thing was over, who’s next? Ivory, Trish in maybe 7 months? Her value was almost entirely gone.

WWE was going in a completely different direction.

Even with the women there’d be far more paddles on a pole and bra and panties matches than there was prior and Chyna wouldn’t have fit in there and no WWE as a whole didn’t want her wrestling men, anymore.

WWE went public and got SmackDown on a Network and it took them a bit to figure they needed to tone down their image, but eventually they did and a woman regularly wrestling men wasn’t fitting the image.

There’s really nothing left to keep going in circles here.

Kreski being fired and Chyna being fired are completely two different topics and honestly the Kreski one is more interesting and has more weight of truth to it.
 
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You tried implying Chris Kreski the 2nd most successful wrestling writer after Vince Russo sucked because Stephanie got handed the head writer position with absolutely zero experience at the age of 24.

You don’t know what you’re talking about as pertains to Chris Kreski

I didn't imply anything - I stated that he can't have been very good. There was no implying.

I don't need to be a character expert to know - if you only last one year in a job - you suck.

You have been refuted.

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Again, ask anyone that watched WWF in 2000. Kreski didn’t suck. Stephanie simply got a promotion.
 

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The truth is - no one will actually no how much he did or didn't do. He worked for the company during the period - but got sacked. 1+1 = 2
 

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He was the head writer. We know what he did...

He wrote the shows.

Vince fires lots of people he shouldn’t. They sacked Heyman TWICE from creative. Once in 2002 and again in 2019 when he was finally making Raw watchable.
 

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If Vince doesn't want to keep you around - he fires you.

If he wants to bring you back - he rehires you.

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Again, go back and actually watch 2001.

Once the Lita thing was over, who’s next? Ivory, Trish in maybe 7 months?

She was willing to drop the title to Lita and they were teasing a heel turn, and she was to get back with Eddie, they had plenty geared up for her, even after Eddie was taken off TV, they would’ve just found something else. She beat a few girls like Molly, Ivory, etc... the scrubs basically but not the entire women’s roster, that was what she would do, after having a competitive and close match with Lita.

Did you even watch the Lita match and story? It wasn’t a squash like you’re making it out to be and they were teasing a heel turn. They had her beat some scrubs and then she said she had no competition in women’s division to where Lita challenged her.


Her value was almost entirely gone.

You know that’s bullshit, she was their 2nd biggest draw after Rock, her book was a New York Times best seller, her popularity was increasing nonstop and she was considered for Terminator 3 by Arnold.

She had more value then she ever had before, this idea you’re painting that she was losing popularity has no basis in reality.

WWE went public and got SmackDown on a Network and it took them a bit to figure they needed to tone down their image, but eventually they did and a woman regularly wrestling men wasn’t fitting the image.

WWF went public in October of 1999, and they made her Intercontinental champion right after... what the hell are you talking about?

You need to rewatch not only 2001 but 1999 & 2000.

Chyna would win the belt two more times and wrestle guys for more than a year after.



Even with the women there’d be far more paddles on a pole and bra and panties matches than there was prior and Chyna wouldn’t have fit in there and no WWE as a whole didn’t want her wrestling men, anymore.

In 1999 & 2000 they highly sexualized Chyna, she was in her bra and panties at Backlash 2000 and Playboy she was nude

In fact her playboy was the highest selling playboy of all time at the time.


I didn't imply anything - I stated that he can't have been very good. There was no implying.

I don't need to be a character expert to know - if you only last one year in a job - you suck.

You have been refu

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Chris Kreski drew the highest cable ratings after Russo and got WWF to it’s financial peak with Rock.... how did he suck?

Stephanie McMahon, Vince McMahon’s filthy butterface daughter was made head of creative with zero experience at 24 years old. Chris Kreski wasn’t fired... lol

Why are you such a fan of Stephanie? She is known to be a slut and horrible writer, she’s responsible for the years of bad business and creative
 

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The numbers don't lie. He was fired - therefore he wasn't doing the job that was wanted of him.
Facts dont care about your feelings.
 

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If Vince doesn't want to keep you around - he fires you.

If he wants to bring you back - he rehires you.

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There’s nothing factually untrue about this, but it also means nothing and I see what you’re doing so kudos.
 

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The numbers don't lie. He was fired - therefore he wasn't doing the job that was wanted of him.
Facts dont care about your feelings.

He drew peak numbers after Russo...
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You might might need to watch 2000. I said it took a minute, but they got there. They began to phase out the more risky stuff mid 2000. They created RTC to mock the PTC complaining, but ultimately used it to tone down their image by removing the porn star, the pimp etc and it was around THIS period not 1999 that Chyna was phased away from men and to women.

Whether you like it or not, that was the direction the company was moving to and they struggled to make it work and yes I recently rewatched the Lita story and match. Lita got some licks in, but it felt like a cat playing with a mouse. When Chyna was done she ended her.

Chyna was willing to drop the belt, but I never said she wouldn’t. The point was once that angle was over, Chyna had nowhere else to go. Lita was the closest thing she had to competition and they couldn’t drag that out for the next two years waiting for new blood.
 

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She was willing to drop the title to Lita and they were teasing a heel turn, and she was to get back with Eddie, they had plenty geared up for her, even after Eddie was taken off TV, they would’ve just found something else. She beat a few girls like Molly, Ivory, etc... the scrubs basically but not the entire women’s roster, that was what she would do, after having a competitive and close match with Lita.

Did you even watch the Lita match and story? It wasn’t a squash like you’re making it out to be and they were teasing a heel turn. They had her beat some scrubs and then she said she had no competition in women’s division to where Lita challenged her.




You know that’s bullshit, she was their 2nd biggest draw after Rock, her book was a New York Times best seller, her popularity was increasing nonstop and she was considered for Terminator 3 by Arnold.

She had more value then she ever had before, this idea you’re painting that she was losing popularity has no basis in reality.



WWF went public in October of 1999, and they made her Intercontinental champion right after... what the hell are you talking about?

You need to rewatch not only 2001 but 1999 & 2000.

Chyna would win the belt two more times and wrestle guys for more than a year after.





In 1999 & 2000 they highly sexualized Chyna, she was in her bra and panties at Backlash 2000 and Playboy she was nude

In fact her playboy was the highest selling playboy of all time at the time.




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Chris Kreski drew the highest cable ratings after Russo and got WWF to it’s financial peak with Rock.... how did he suck?

Stephanie McMahon, Vince McMahon’s filthy butterface daughter was made head of creative with zero experience at 24 years old. Chris Kreski wasn’t fired... lol

Why are you such a fan of Stephanie? She is known to be a slut and horrible writer, she’s responsible for the years of bad business and creative

Did Stephanie like murder your family or something?
 

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He drew peak numbers after Russo...
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Vince fired him. Period. The facts don't lie.
After one year. The facts don't lie.
Getting fired is good for someone's career - if they are really talented, they will turn things around and be able to reclaim the same job.



Ken Coleman will explain the benefits. I would recommend you watch this video. The video last six minutes - so if you reply before six minutes from me posting. Then I will know you are ignoring credible sources. Choosing to ignore this video - means you believe feelings are more important than numbers and facts.