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[Chris]

I have further discussion for this question but to start, @Barry Poppins how do you pronounce "Macedon" when referring to the ancient kingdom, not modern Macedonia?

 

[Loochblade]

Should be Mah-ke-don, shouldn't it?

 

[Chris]

Should be Mah-ke-don, shouldn't it?

Historically so yeah, but the debate is, do we use the historical pronunciation or do we accept that language changes over time and change with it. I think we should use historical pronunciation when talking about historical contexts myself.

But then my next question would be, why do I not say Julius Kaiser instead of "See-zar" lol

 

[Chris]

Another would be Cicero that we pronounce with the soft C as well, but was most likely called "kikero" and I just can't call him that lol

Cyrus the Great is more like Kyrush, that one I am good with going with usually. But yeah I just find it funny that even the people wanting to do original translations like myself can't bring themselves to do the most popular figures

 

[Barry Poppins]

I have further discussion for this question but to start, @Barry Poppins how do you pronounce "Macedon" when referring to the ancient kingdom, not modern Macedonia?

Depends tbh, if I see the Greek spelling of it I'll refer to it by the ancient pronunciation.

Otherwise I'll use the Latin pronunciation.

Caesar is kind of similar but more when the mood strikes my fancy.

 

[Chris]

Caesar is a bit easier just bc the terms Kaiser and Czar lasted so long from him. I try to make an effort to do that one just bc the Greek pronunciation sounds cooler lol

 

[Barry Poppins]

Another note on that.

Gaius Julius Caesar was very likely pronounced as:

Guy-oos Yoolioos Kais-err.

 

[Barry Poppins]

I know this too because of the scene in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

"Idiot! In the Latin alphabet, Jehovah starts with an I-"

 

[Chris]

Another note on that.

Gaius Julius Caesar was very likely pronounced as:

Guy-oos Yoolioos Kais-err.

Yeah the soft J but hard C, sounds way cooler to me lol

 

[Barry Poppins]

Some other name shenanigans too while I'm at it.

Jesus Christ was never his real name. Christ is of course a title handed down to him, which if I recall correctly stood for "He Redeems". Jesus is a Latin butchery of a Greek translation of a Hebrew word.

Our Christ's original name was, if we believe the Roman sources, Ieshusa, which translated from Greek was something along the lines of Yeshowah, and then translated from the Hebrew word Yeshua.

Yeshua properly translated from Hebrew to Latin is... Ioshuwa. Joshua is Christ's proper name.

 

[Barry Poppins]

That is at least from how I've understood it to be.

 

[Chris]

The name shit goes on forever too, we've talked about Charlemagne before. I don't think anyone ever called him that to his face lol

 

[Barry Poppins]

Fun fact, the reason Arabs and Levantines are considered Caucasian in the US because a Syrian successfully sued the government in 1915 and the incredibly racist Supreme Court said, "Yes."

 

[Wang Chung]

I was watching Josh Gates and expedition unknown this weekend, and he was with some treasure hunters off of Greece, and the guy mentioned Scylla and Charybdis and pointed out two locations to where they were and why.

Scylla was a whirlpool, and they did a dye test in the water while they sailed through there, and the winds and current went a little crazy.

Charydbis was a multinheaded servant who grabbed sailors from their ships. There was a rock wall there that if you managed to mess up the waters from the whirlpool or attempted to avoid it, you could end up in that rock wall.

They were looking for sunken ships in that area and found some old Amphers. That aread has claimed 58 ships.



@Switchblake yes the Patriot is so good. I cry watching it too.

 

[Chris]