The Russo-Ukrainian War Thread (FKA Political Thread)

[Kross Rhodes]

Yes but you just named multiple forms of "gun control" as a solution. From my POV it seems there's a perception that gun control only means "banning every firearm" when a republican hears it. Possibly bc i mostly only talk to souther liberals....but I never hear anyone say that except for ones I've already deemed extreme and I listen to them as much as I listen to proud boy Republicans lol

I don’t remember if it was Nancy or Chuck, but one of them said they wouldn’t hear any proposal that didn’t have a gun ban on the table with it. Not all guns, but AR’s.

I know I hear that when I hear gun control because most politicians who say common sense gun control, are talking about banning “assault weapons.”

I do think more politicians would come to the table from the pro gun side if a compromise was really willing to be made that didn’t involve any kind of weapon bans and I do hope we see that at some point. We need it.

 

[Hidden Blaze]

Truth be told, and let me state I DONT want this to happen, but it’s going to take one of these masa shootings to effect them before they do anything to try and change shit.

I still feel the trial run of some sort of shit with rifles is worth a try, I’m willing to almost try anything if it could help less people be killed. I just hate how folks use the “criminals break the law” argument. Sure, that’s true. But shit alot of them same folks want a wall on the border. Guess what? It won’t keep drugs out. They will find other ways to get in. Oh you’re against abortion? Banning it won’t stop it, people will find ways. But when you use that against them, they don’t want to hear it. They can use the “it’s gonna happen still” argument, but don’t you dare use it against them!

i don’t want to hear about my damn cousins getting gunned down in fucking school some day, I don’t wanna go to a concert and get killed myself, or a movie, or hell a fucking funeral. God damnit.

 

[Chris]

Oh no compromise is gonna be done lol it's just gonna be same arguments until next time I imagine. Some change, for good or bad and probably on the extreme front in some way will come after one of these shootings but you can just tell this one is going to go the way of sandy hook once every gets it out of their system

 

[Deezy]

I know how to get the ball rolling on this

The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons | HISTORY

Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group.

www.history.com

Give black people assault weapons again.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Truth be told, and let me state I DONT want this to happen, but it’s going to take one of these masa shootings to effect them before they do anything to try and change shit.

I still feel the trial run of some sort of shit with rifles is worth a try, I’m willing to almost try anything if it could help less people be killed. I just hate how folks use the “criminals break the law” argument. Sure, that’s true. But shit alot of them same folks want a wall on the border. Guess what? It won’t keep drugs out. They will find other ways to get in. Oh you’re against abortion? Banning it won’t stop it, people will find ways. But when you use that against them, they don’t want to hear it. They can use the “it’s gonna happen still” argument, but don’t you dare use it against them!

i don’t want to hear about my damn cousins getting gunned down in fucking school some day, I don’t wanna go to a concert and get killed myself, or a movie, or hell a fucking funeral. God damnit.

You won’t find much support on this one from anyone across the aisle. The second amendment is our biggest single issue policy. Even more so than pro-life.

Mainly because it’s our biggest winning issue.

The right lost the court of public opinion on abortion.

 

[Chris]

Truth be told, and let me state I DONT want this to happen, but it’s going to take one of these masa shootings to effect them before they do anything to try and change shit.

I still feel the trial run of some sort of shit with rifles is worth a try, I’m willing to almost try anything if it could help less people be killed. I just hate how folks use the “criminals break the law” argument. Sure, that’s true. But shit alot of them same folks want a wall on the border. Guess what? It won’t keep drugs out. They will find other ways to get in. Oh you’re against abortion? Banning it won’t stop it, people will find ways. But when you use that against them, they don’t want to hear it. They can use the “it’s gonna happen still” argument, but don’t you dare use it against them!

i don’t want to hear about my damn cousins getting gunned down in fucking school some day, I don’t wanna go to a concert and get killed myself, or a movie, or hell a fucking funeral. God damnit.

Yeah I see this both ways and it's so infuriating lol like a liberal will say "oh gun bans don't work but abortion bans do???" When....that also proves your a hypocrite bc you want abortions legalized and guns banned fucking makes no sense

 

[Chris]

But yeah, moral of the story is: welcome to America, this is how we live now. Just gonna get worse in the next couple decades too

 

[Kross Rhodes]

I know how to get the ball rolling on this

The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons | HISTORY

Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group.

www.history.com

Give black people assault weapons again.

It wouldn’t work now. The NRA uses this history as a reason against gun control. It’s marketed as racist.

They have black leadership summits that talk about arming more minorities. Same for women.

The women push is actually bigger ATM due to me too.

 

[Hidden Blaze]

You won’t find much support on this one from anyone across the aisle. The second amendment is our biggest single issue policy. Even more so than pro-life.

Mainly because it’s our biggest winning issue.

The right lost the court of public opinion on abortion.

I just don’t see like, why not try? I mean folks say it won’t work? Well put it to the test. If they are so sure of themselves, what’s wrong with stopping the sell of them for 5 years? It would be exactly like the last one, anyone who has one already can keep them. So no one has to give them up. We’ll still have them but if we go from say 10 a year to 4, would that not be a win?

 

[Hidden Blaze]

Yeah I see this both ways and it's so infuriating lol like a liberal will say "oh gun bans don't work but abortion bans do???" When....that also proves your a hypocrite bc you want abortions legalized and guns banned fucking makes no sense

Oh for sure I mean, that’s a good point. I want it to be clear I’m not for like a total gun ban. I just don’t think they are certain type of guns folks really should be able to buy. Maybe it won’t work, who knows. I’m just sick of doing nothing and being all “what can we do?” when it happens again.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Yeah I see this both ways and it's so infuriating lol like a liberal will say "oh gun bans don't work but abortion bans do???" When....that also proves your a hypocrite bc you want abortions legalized and guns banned fucking makes no sense

I see the double standard, but I also think their effectiveness would be quite different.

Most women won’t go through the trouble of finding a black market abortion doctor and most women won’t try back alley hanger jobs. The horror stories are out there. Some will for sure, but it would likely still see a 97% drop.

Guns on the other hand are readily available to be purchased illegally and most rifles used in mass shooting are already illegal possessed as it is now. People willing to shoot kids aren’t thinking about the law as much as every day woman who just needed to end a pregnancy.

The main culprit though is if we wanted to ban any kind of gun itself, you’d have to strengthen the border.

Which honestly would be interesting to see play out of that was a comprising policy trade off in the senate.

 

[Deezy]

The women push is actually bigger ATM due to me too.

What did you do?

I joke...

NRA, 2nd amendment enthusiasts and gun nuts in general sure don't think much of the US if they paint it as a place full of crazy people so mass shootings are just inevitable.

Not very patriotic "we're the greatest and most freest country in the world....now excuse me I need to carry around military weapons because I don't feel safe out here".

 

[Chris]

Oh for sure I mean, that’s a good point. I want it to be clear I’m not for like a total gun ban. I just don’t think they are certain type of guns folks really should be able to buy. Maybe it won’t work, who knows. I’m just sick of doing nothing and being all “what can we do?” when it happens again.

I mean yeah, I've just sadly accepted that anyone I know could be shot today cause we live in America. I don't even see the point of talking about it anymore cause going in circles is annoying af, just gonna try and keep my head down. Maybe move eventially but accounting doesn't really translate outside of America bc we have our own system different from everyone else in the world.....love it here

 

[Chris]

Make note of all exits anywhere you're gonna be for a prolonged period of time, office, movie theaters, etc.

 

[Hidden Blaze]

I see the double standard, but I also think their effectiveness would be quite different.

Most women won’t go through the trouble of finding a black market abortion doctor and most women won’t try back alley hanger jobs. The horror stories are out there. Some will for sure, but it would likely still see a 97% drop.

Guns on the other hand are readily available to be purchased illegally and most rifles used in mass shooting are already illegal possessed as it is now. People willing to shoot kids aren’t thinking about the law as much as every day woman who just needed to end a pregnancy.

The main culprit though is if we wanted to ban any kind of gun itself, you’d have to strengthen the border.

Which honestly would be interesting to see play out of that was a comprising policy trade off in the senate.

I’m already in favor of this anyways. As long as we also have a better system of vetting folks. As it is now, it seems it’s hard for people to get legally let in, and some folks who aren’t coming here to harm us, and actually try to escape Mexico will sadly die before being accepted because of how broken the system is.