The awesome Overrated/Underrated on the Net Thread!!!

[Kizza]

What!? Generico isn't known for his mic skills, but how can you not respect his ringwork and charisma? He's kind of the total package. I may be crazy though, but i've never seen a bad Generico match. Check out his PWG matches with Super Dragon.

Come to think of it, neither have I, but he isn't really one of those guys that really grab my attention. I recognize him more for his overselling then his actual in ring talent.

 

[Hometown Kid]

Come to think of it, neither have I, but he isn't really one of those guys that really grab my attention. I recognize him more for his overselling then his actual in ring talent.

Oh yeah, even in those Super Dragon matches, his sell of the Psycho Driver is just EPIC. :laugh: He does need to tone that down a little. :/ I think a problem with him is it seems (to me at least) he gets a lot of title shots against Nigel for some reason. Even when he's teaming with Steen. If they built up him being a legit singles character instead of his wacky persona he could kind of break out and show what he's got in a "big" setting. (Not that the tag titles are chump change either though)

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

Here's a good idea, why don't you add something constructive to the debate instead of trying be look smart with a lazy answer. What do you think, since you must be the master of all wrestling OPINION, shine down upon thee with thou knowledge doth posses.

So, I guess when he brought his opiniuon forward on just who was underrated/overrated he wasn't adding to the thread?

Thanks for showing how intelligent you are.

Jimmy Jacobs is WAYYYY OVER RATED! He has basically been FLAT since the killer promo that marked the beginning of the Age of the fall. Since then...the MOST BORING GUY IN AOTF. Necro and Tyler Black have been wayy more over and had better matches since then. No way Jacobs is over Danielson, Black, Generico, Steen, Necro in RoH.

Jimmy Jacobs was the reason people in AOTF were interesting. Do you think anyone would have cared about Necro's run in AOTF if it wasn't for Jacobs and his role? No.

 

[Kizza]

People cared about Necro's run in AOTF?

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

The end of his run was interesting. Guess why.

 

[Kizza]

Wasn't that where Jimmy turned on him or whatever.

 

[THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps]

That's where he turned on Jimmy after Jimmy belittled him with awesome fucking promos.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

Here's a good idea, why don't you add something constructive to the debate instead of trying be look smart with a lazy answer. What do you think, since you must be the master of all wrestling OPINION, shine down upon thee with thou knowledge doth posses.

So, I guess when he brought his opiniuon forward on just who was underrated/overrated he wasn't adding to the thread?

Thanks for showing how intelligent you are.

Well he just blanked out my list and told me I was wrong. That's it. When does that constitute an opinion?It didn't show that in the quoted post, that you obviously didn't read,so umm, no need to point out the jackass you just made of yourself. I'm certain your intelligent enough to figure that out sweetie.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

Hardcore over rated: HHH,

Over rated by who, the haters practically = the fans now tbh, and hes in the top 5 mic skills of the business, with the same ring skills of Randy Orton.

Christian,

He's a little overrated but is ME level in ring and on the mic, so it's sort of acceptable.

Jeff Jarrett in any capacity,

I haven't ever seen him praised tbfh.

most indy wrestlers (esp. Jimmy Jacobs,Nigel, and all the Jack Evans clones)

great generalisation here, but some are right

TNA (there is nothing good about anything they do)

But everybody hates TNA

Bret Hart all day

I must be missing all the great praise

Somewhat over rated: Rey Misterio,

Underrated if anything, a lot of people forget how good he can be in ring

Kofi,

Meh, neither over nor underrated, he's a good worker but will get stale soon.

Evan Bourne,

Kinda right, but he's the most exciting thing in the WWE so not really.

Jeff Hardy,

Sort of agreed, but he has a lot of haters on here as well.

Randy Orton

Agreed, most overrated guy in wrestling tbh.

Under rated: John Cena (trendy haters know nothin)

trendy haters are SOOO 2 years ago

Umaga,

Agreed, Umaga pwns

Jack Swagger,

Bandwagons aren't enough now?

El Generico,
Kevin Steen,
Curt Hennig,
Doug Summers,
Rick Martel,
Giant Bernard

If people aren't rated at all, then they're not really underrated.

Scott Stiener,

Trushe.

and Tomko (man TNA really fucked his boat up).

Umm, general piece of shit big man, Mike Knox > him

Hernandez.

Agreed, great ring presence.



Are you happy, 'tard?

I'm a tard since I called you out, Potsie? Pfft, I don't give two shits who you are, or how established you are here, when anyone goes around and tells me I'm wrong on fuckin subjective opinion without merit, I'ma call bullshit. Who are you to tell someone they're wrong just because? No one. You're just as important as the next dude, he just might not happen to be a douche.

But to not outdo the importance of discussion...most of your opinions are founded on where you hang out in IWCs, not where I frequent. I frequent places where Harvard grads discuss the biz, places where Texas legends and trainers talk (Dory Funk, Tully Blanchard and his pop) and I visit places where any idiot can get on, so our opinions on how people are rated are going to differ. So just oossaa pal,

1. It's apples and oranges with Trips, just depends where you go.

2. I don't think Christian is ME level in the ring,especially in the WWE, I can't put his ability over Edge, Taker, Jericho, HBK, Trips, Hardy and he will NEVER be able to have a "big" match like Cena. In ring ability is one thing, but being able to have the "big" match is what makes ME level so hard to obtain. Christian has never, ever had one "big" singles match, even his TNA run was flat in that respect. He's no better in ring than Shelton or Finlay, he just has better mic skills than the average WWE midcarder.

3. You MUST be the only one missing all the gay Bret fanboys. I've been on the IWC scene since the early AOL days and ever since Montreal there has ALWAYS been a huge diehard fanbase that praise Bret to all heavens. There is even one particular message board that booted me for being a shawn michaels fan and telling them he was better. Trust me. People think Bret Hart invented wrestling, he'll tell you himself.

As far as the other guys not being rated, again its just a matter of what your tastes are and where you discuss them. If Jimmy Jacobs is rated, I fail to see why Steenerico aren't, despite the fact that they both outperform Jimmy on every show they are booked on together. Curt Fuckin Hennig is rated by ALOT of people. He's fuckin GREAT. Go catch him on those old AWA shows on ESPN Classic. See if you can catch a glimpse of Summers as well, if not he's on HBK's second DVD set in that awesome match between Summers/Rose vs. Rockers match. And want to see what John Morrison is molded after? Go catch some Model footage. People are rated, it's just a matter of venturing outside this bubble, so you are in no position to flat out tell people they're wrong. It would have been nice if you'd explained yourself originally instead of being a dick.

 

[PeepShow]

2. I don't think Christian is ME level in the ring,especially in the WWE, I can't put his ability over Edge, Taker, Jericho, HBK, Trips, Hardy and he will NEVER be able to have a "big" match like Cena. In ring ability is one thing, but being able to have the "big" match is what makes ME level so hard to obtain. Christian has never, ever had one "big" singles match, even his TNA run was flat in that respect. He's no better in ring than Shelton or Finlay, he just has better mic skills than the average WWE midcarder.

I honestly don't see how people can say they don't see him as a main eventer. I mean did you not see his TNA run? And don't give him the LOL, IT'S TNA bullshit. I honestly can't recall him offhand having a match less than *** since he got his main event spot in TNA and coming back to the E. He's had countless ****+ matches with Angle, Joe, and even a ****1/2 with KAZ. Seriously, I'll never know.

Oh, and as far as his ability not being greater than Edge, I have to disagree. I used to love Edge, and if this were prolly 2-3 years ago, I would prolly have to agree with you, but now, fuck that. He's gotten so awful with his promos in the past year imo, and Christian's in-ring work has gotten better over the years and has surpassed him imo as well.

at Hardy being on there as well. All the rest are viable though.

 

[Kizza]

I've never been a massive fan of Christian, but I also don't think that he is Main Event level. He has decent in ring skills, pushing good, good on the mic and has a good gimmick going with the "Peeps" and all that. But, I never found myself being able to take him seriously as a main eventer. He was always to me as the "Guy with Edge" or "The guy with the midcard belt." I never took him seriously as being able to put a company on his shoulders and carry them as a main guy, and obviously Vince thinks the same.

 

[PeepShow]

What did Edge do to people that all of a sudden made them say "Oh wow, this guy is a legit main eventer now"?

 

[Evil Austin]

I guess Edge won Money in the Bank and they had to except him as a Main Eventer. But during his half year as MITB holder him and Lita did do some good rants and promos in the ring which helped him along the way to recieve heat.

 

[Great One]

Christian's almost exactly equal to Edge in the ring, conveniently. Edge is definitely better as a heel on the mic (he's still amazing, look at the Vickie stuff, gold lol), but Christian's better as a face. I don't think Christian has been overrated, YET, but he may later.

I agree it probably matters where you go with Triple H, but I think the haters/one's blaming Triple H will always overshadow, thus why he's probably underrated/simply not rated at all.

Anyways, none of this matters, because Randy Orton is the most overrated person in the entire wrestling business. Just look at all the chants he was getting as a heel. Case closed.

John Morrison on the other hand.. is a bad ass. Potential to be amazing.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

What did Edge do to people that all of a sudden made them say "Oh wow, this guy is a legit main eventer now"?

You are aware that Edge is an 8 time WORLD CHAMPION, right? Most of them are short lived transition reigns but there is no such thing as an 8 time fluke transition champ. He is more than a WWE main eventer, he's one of the GO TO GUYS. How many times has Edge showed up on whatever show, wherever and won the title? Too frickin many to count, but I'll tell you why. He always delivers the goods on his matches, is always one of the top two heels in the company and gets mad heat. He's been in the title picture wherever he's been for the past three years. He's been a legit main eventer for over three years now, don't know where you've been and why you can even remotely defend Christian yet can't realize Edge is what you want Christian to be.

And exactly how many 4 star matches did Christian have in TNA? To my count just two. The one with Angle at last years Feb. Payper view and the first Joe match. And those are really debatable. Countless is hardly the word to describe them, let alone none of them had the big match feel. Inversely, Edge had a string of 4 star matches during the same time period of the Angle and Joe matches, the RR match with Rey, every time he hooked up with Taker blew away EVERYTHING Christian ever did in TNA. That TLC match was amazing and the Summerslam HIAC was just as amazing. Christian never put together a run even remotely as entertaining or good in his entire career. And calling Christian an over face is a flat out lie. His peeps only give him the pop every mid card wrestler receives.

Trust me, if and when the WWE decides to give Edge another face run the fans will eat it up because Edge has the mic skills and the charisma to flip fans, not so much for C-Man. Edge is Michael Jordan to Christian's Scottie Pippen, superior in every facet of the game, more profitable and more enthralling for the fans. Scottie was a very serviceable and talented player, but he was most famous for being on the same team as Jordan, and that is EXACTLY how Christain's career can be summarized.