PeepShow
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So it's a spotfest b/c they kicked out of each others finishers b/c they wanted to win that match more than anything else in the world and found the courage to do so?
go outside. jesus christ
go outside. jesus christ
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xtremebadass
Guest
I am failing to see how HBK/Taker was a spotfest. That is just the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Aside from Taker's suicide dive into Deuce, there was no real spots in that match. If you think that is a spotfest than HBK vs. Angle, vs. Jericho, vs. Flair were all spotfests too right?
noumenon
Guest
xtremebadass
Guest
Sometimes people say some undefendable stuff. If your going to hate on the awesomeness of Taker-Micheals with some bogus "spots for spots sake" argument, than more time needs to be spent ripping on all the Morrison fan boys here!
Either way, the streak needs to stay clear of repeat challengers to keep up it's aura and it seems it gets a grander opposition every year, and who on the roster can prove a grander challenge than the E's top dog, Cena?
Either way, the streak needs to stay clear of repeat challengers to keep up it's aura and it seems it gets a grander opposition every year, and who on the roster can prove a grander challenge than the E's top dog, Cena?
xtremebadass
Guest
I think a rematch with Michaels will be a good cap off to Taker's streak. Taker's streak actually lacks GOOD matches. Another match with Michaels will give the streak more credibility proving that Taker can dominate in wrestling clinics not just random matches thrown together. This will be like a rivalry within the streak, much like Taker vs. Kane but WAYYY BETTER.
Axis
Guest
You guys are missing the definition of a "spot-fest." Nobody is saying that they went out there and did flippity shit and high-flying spots. The argument is that the match relied on "BIG MOMENTZ~" without much of an interconnecting story in-between. At the beginning, there was a decent story of HBK trying the hit-and-run, but even that was fairly basic.
As for comparing HBK/Taker to HBK/Angle, HBK/Jericho, and HBK/Flair, those are each a different scenario. HBK/Angle WAS fairly spotty toward the end, where it denigrated into big move, big move, big move reversal, big move reversal, etc. I do remember that at the beginning they were very creative with Michaels working the headlock as it was the only way he could possibly hang with Angle on the mat, but beyond that it has been a while since I saw that match, so it would be difficult for me to comment on any further. I CAN say that Michaels/Angle (assuming that you're referring to their match at Wrestlemania 21), wasn't even my favorite match of that night, as I felt that Orton vs Undertaker surpassed it.
The Michaels vs Jericho series was built up beautifully with a unique story for every match. Their first match they stayed in context with Jericho not trusting Michaels to compete honestly, on account of him faking an injury against Batista. Plus it coupled with Jericho's slow turn, and his mistrust leading to himself becoming the dirty fighter. Later on they worked the angle of Michaels being the beat-up old man, who was seemingly coming to the end of his career, with Jericho's awesome beatdown. Each match got harder and harder for Michaels. They fucked it up with the ladder, but I've complained about that before, how they completely fucking ignored the eye injury.
I won't even bother explaining the story behind Michaels/Flair at Wrestlemania 24, because I'm certain you are aware of that, and simply listed it in your post for the sake of listing it.
And Enzo, until you drop your strawman argument, you are adding nothing to the discussion. Your rebuttal is that we are Morrison fanboys. K. Morrison sucks dick right now. Fucking R-Truth is more over than him. If you are going to post, at least add something like noumenon and xtremebadass have done.
As for comparing HBK/Taker to HBK/Angle, HBK/Jericho, and HBK/Flair, those are each a different scenario. HBK/Angle WAS fairly spotty toward the end, where it denigrated into big move, big move, big move reversal, big move reversal, etc. I do remember that at the beginning they were very creative with Michaels working the headlock as it was the only way he could possibly hang with Angle on the mat, but beyond that it has been a while since I saw that match, so it would be difficult for me to comment on any further. I CAN say that Michaels/Angle (assuming that you're referring to their match at Wrestlemania 21), wasn't even my favorite match of that night, as I felt that Orton vs Undertaker surpassed it.
The Michaels vs Jericho series was built up beautifully with a unique story for every match. Their first match they stayed in context with Jericho not trusting Michaels to compete honestly, on account of him faking an injury against Batista. Plus it coupled with Jericho's slow turn, and his mistrust leading to himself becoming the dirty fighter. Later on they worked the angle of Michaels being the beat-up old man, who was seemingly coming to the end of his career, with Jericho's awesome beatdown. Each match got harder and harder for Michaels. They fucked it up with the ladder, but I've complained about that before, how they completely fucking ignored the eye injury.
I won't even bother explaining the story behind Michaels/Flair at Wrestlemania 24, because I'm certain you are aware of that, and simply listed it in your post for the sake of listing it.
And Enzo, until you drop your strawman argument, you are adding nothing to the discussion. Your rebuttal is that we are Morrison fanboys. K. Morrison sucks dick right now. Fucking R-Truth is more over than him. If you are going to post, at least add something like noumenon and xtremebadass have done.
Airfixx
Guest
Empire Strikes Back. ;o]
Call me a mark, but I thoroughly enjoyed Taker/HBK @ last years mania... I managed to suspended my disbelief and thought Shawn stood a chance of beating Taker (even though I would have bet my house on a Taker win). Job done IMO.
Fuck the over analysis.
Also, I can't recall a big match atmos such as that in a fair few years.... HHH/Cena WM22 maybe?
Wasn't my fave match of the year - Personally enjoyed the previously mentioned Rey/Jericho & Cena/Edge more - but defo in my top 3.
As for a rematch at this year's Mania specifically? ...Not interested.
THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps
Guest
Axis seems to be the only one that understands what a spot, and thus a spotfest, is.
Plan on doing so later.
Plan on doing so later.
HBK/Taker @ Mania 09 was over-rated. No I wasn't oggling over it after it was over. It was good no doubt, but still not as great as everyone says it was. Some say it was match of the year, I hope they are talking about just WWE and not including TNA. They produced 3 match of the year contenders in what a month or 2. All of which were better than HBK/Taker. Main reason folks are saying the match was so great was because it was what 10 or so years in the making.
Though as good as HBK/Taker was, it's time to move on to something that would be even better. Jericho/Taker could be great, and the atmosphere of a heel Cena vs Taker could be better than HBK/Taker II.
Though as good as HBK/Taker was, it's time to move on to something that would be even better. Jericho/Taker could be great, and the atmosphere of a heel Cena vs Taker could be better than HBK/Taker II.
xtremebadass
Guest
WWE killed that by doing Y2J vs. Taker twice on SD already. Sure people would still like to see it at Mania, but not as much as before.
MizMasta3000
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xtremebadass
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Airfixx
Guest
If it 'must' still be a WM match then give us a chance to forget how shit the Jericho/Taker stuff was over the last couple of months.
Next year maybe....
Punk/Taker could have also been a sweet option this year, but as we know they royally fucked up the potential of that fued too.
MizMasta3000 said:
So who you thinking is gonna beat Taker @ WM this year then?
xtremebadass
Guest
I think this is a good decision. It would guarentee interest. Remathes are always money makers anyway. Just look at big money rematches in UFC. I know this isn't MMA, but but rematches to HUGE matches are always a good thing up until the actual result. The result always makes or breaks the rematch. Usually rematches don't suck THAT MUCH lol.