Same Love

[Senhor Perfect]

Brita, you can't honestly believe in Adam & Eve. If that were true we'd all be inbred and the same race. The book of Genesis is just a bunch of stories written, like the Grimm fairy tales, to scare children into behaving.

 

[Crayo]

Why the fuck does Jonathan continue to try and derail religion? Your tiny mind holds no influence to those who are religious Jonathan, so stop trying to derail it with "logic". It says more about you than any religious person that you continue to do this.

 

[Swift]

Tantric Buddhism/Hinduism is to me, the most interesting "belief"/religion/whatever you want to call it. It focuses more on self knowledge, self mastery, teaches a sense of respect of life and it's mysteries, *psychological and "spiritual" pleasure, etc. It's really self gratifying. I'm a selfish bastard :happy:


Abrahamic religions are not for me...

 

[catlady]

Brita, you can't honestly believe in Adam & Eve. If that were true we'd all be inbred and the same race. The book of Genesis is just a bunch of stories written, like the Grimm fairy tales, to scare children into behaving.

I do believe they were the first created & I always will. Deemed crazy or not, its what I believe and no one will change my beliefs. Plus, whos to say that there were not others created as well that the bible doesn't speak of? For me though... As I said before, this reality isn't as real as the spiritual reality to me. I know thats hard to understand but I guess I am "out there" lol

 

[Jonathan]

He doesn't control what we do to each other. A big portion of cancers is the result of PEOPLE messing with our food sources and us just not taking care of ourselves. Aids was created in a lab my MAN, not God. I know, what about about evil people hurting the innocent... or storms.... or tragedies like 9/11 where people were killed having it not be unto their own fault... God created this world to work under physical laws. Like gravity for instance. If he were to suspend gravity to save one life, millions of others would be hurt or killed. I am horrible at explaining things which is why I try to keep my mouth shut.. lol, but we chose (as humans) free will. The consequences of choosing freewill are death, disease, and sins in general. If you want to blame anyone, blame Eve for tempting Adam or better yet, blame the devil himself. I am still learning things myself and I know things like this are hard for people who don't believe in Him. Quite a few things have been proven with science that were taught in the bible though... Like our emotions for example & the way we talk. If someone is angry and speaks out of anger, it effects their physical body and can and does result in sickness. I can't remember what the study was called so you will have to look it up, but that is just one example. Even if you don't believe in the Bible or God or Jesus, that book, The things God taught, and Jesus taught are amazing stepping stones to live by. I never understood hating Jesus in the first place because, he taught people to love each other & not judge each other. He wanted people to live in peace so people hating a man who professed love just never made sense to me, believing in him or not. He did exist though, history has proven that, people just have to choose to believe what they want about him. Religion has given God a bad name, and man created religion.

Where's your proof of "people messing with food to create cancers" and "Aids being man made"? Just wondering.

Seems to me like you believe in too many conspiracy theories. For example, I saw a tweet the other day you were talking about chemtrails. You do know that when the planes are flying at such high altitude the temperate is like -50c, the heat in the engines causes condensation with the cold air, thus creating those trails. They're not spraying posion on all over you. The speed and the difference in temperatures causes those.

So why did God not put gravity on other planets, or atmosphere where things can survive on other planets? All the billions of stars and planets "he created" and the only one he put life on is ours?

 

[catlady]

Where's your proof of "people messing with food to create cancers" and "Aids being man made"? Just wondering.

Seems to me like you believe in too many conspiracy theories. For example, I saw a tweet the other day you were talking about chemtrails. You do know that when the planes are flying at such high altitude the temperate is like -50c, the heat in the engines causes condensation with the cold air, thus creating those trails. They're not spraying posion on all over you. The speed and the difference in temperatures causes those.

So why did God not put gravity on other planets, or atmosphere where things can survive on other planets? All the billions of stars and planets "he created" and the only one he put life on is ours?

You have a lot of questions, why not do a little reading? I am far less likely to help you understand these things than, say, a biblical scholar. Also... The there is a difference between contrails and chemtrails. Contrails are what you explained, but the difference is, exhaust from a plane/jet will dissipate in a matter of minutes, chemtrails linger for hours and hours because they have chemicals in them to let that happen.

I think the difference between us is that I am not closed minded about the thought of evil things happening in the world. We can both agree evil things are done by people against other people... Why is it then, so hard to believe that the people with positions of power are abusing them?

 

[Jonathan]

You have a lot of questions, why not do a little reading? I am far less likely to help you understand these things than, say, a biblical scholar. Also... The there is a difference between contrails and chemtrails. Contrails are what you explained, but the difference is, exhaust from a plane/jet will dissipate in a matter of minutes, chemtrails linger for hours and hours because they have chemicals in them to let that happen.

I think the difference between us is that I am not closed minded about the thought of evil things happening in the world. We can both agree evil things are done by people against other people... Why is it then, so hard to believe that the people with positions of power are abusing them?

Oh believe me, I acknowledge that "bad" things are being done, but it seems to me that you believe in almost every conspiracy theory.

Of course I have a lot of questions, you stated some things so I'm asking you to explain them. Yes, I did describe contrails, but chemtrails are a conspiracy theory. There isn't actually any proof so you can't say that "this is what happens because they made them like that"

 

[Senhor Perfect]

I do believe they were the first created & I always will. Deemed crazy or not, its what I believe and no one will change my beliefs. Plus, whos to say that there were not others created as well that the bible doesn't speak of? For me though... As I said before, this reality isn't as real as the spiritual reality to me. I know thats hard to understand but I guess I am "out there" lol

It's a tough nut because the Old Testament was written thousands of years ago. We all know by playing broken telephone, or something similar as children, that once a story is told a bunch of times it changes. I was a practicing Catholic for my entire youth and adolescence, but as I got older and experienced life more, I found it much harder to believe in the Bible and it's writings.

 

[catlady]

It's a tough nut because the Old Testament was written thousands of years ago. We all know by playing broken telephone, or something similar as children, that once a story is told a bunch of times it changes. I was a practicing Catholic for my entire youth and adolescence, but as I got older and experienced life more, I found it much harder to believe in the Bible and it's writings.

That is understandable. I think everyone has to figure it out for themselves not through others, ya know?

 

[catlady]

Oh believe me, I acknowledge that "bad" things are being done, but it seems to me that you believe in almost every conspiracy theory.

Of course I have a lot of questions, you stated some things so I'm asking you to explain them. Yes, I did describe contrails, but chemtrails are a conspiracy theory. There isn't actually any proof so you can't say that "this is what happens because they made them like that"

I base what I believe in on my own mind & logic, not the logic of the masses. I have enough proof for me, to believe in what I do. I may be right or I may be wrong to others but at the end of the day, that don't matter because in my heart, I believe what I believe. I am not someone who just believes in things for the sake of believing in things, trust me. I evaluate on a lot before I believe something to be true.

 

[Jonathan]

I base what I believe in on my own mind & logic, not the logic of the masses. I have enough proof for me, to believe in what I do. I may be right or I may be wrong to others but at the end of the day, that don't matter because in my heart, I believe what I believe. I am not someone who just believes in things for the sake of believing in things, trust me. I evaluate on a lot before I believe something to be true.

So could you provide me with the proof/reasons you believe Aids is man made/Cancers were created as a result of them messing with our food?

 

[CM Punk]

You look far into stuff Britta.

 

[catlady]

So could you provide me with the proof/reasons you believe Aids is man made/Cancers were created as a result of them messing with our food?

Well... look into GMO products, the scientific study of them and what exactly they are.
Aids : http://rense.com/general45/cant.htm
Chemtrails : http://www.greatdreams.com/chems.htm

Both links back Scientific study. For the GMO stuff, just google studies done on rats with GMOs. The rats got cancer/cancerous tumors from digesting GMO food.

 

[catlady]

You look far into stuff Britta.

You don't look deep enough... :ksi:

 

[Jonathan]

Well... look into GMO products, the scientific study of them and what exactly they are.
Aids : http://rense.com/general45/cant.htm
Chemtrails : http://www.greatdreams.com/chems.htm

Both links back Scientific study. For the GMO stuff, just google studies done on rats with GMOs. The rats got cancer/cancerous tumors from digesting GMO food.

So two people giving their opinion, basically just adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire.

Where is the actual proof that the rats got the tumors BECAUSE of the food. Mightn't it just be coincedence?

There's one thing with "chemtrails" pictures, they're always coming from the engines, not the exhaust at the back of the plane. Surely if it's chemicals they would come from the exhaust not the engines?

Case in point:

Plane with 4 engines = 4 lines

Plane with 2 engines = 2 lines

Isn't that a coincedence? That the amount of exhausts = the amount of lines