RAW January 5th, 2015 Live Discussion

[CM Punk]

Cena was good earlier in his career.. thuganomics and all that shit.. he was entertaining, it's when Vince put the company on Cena's shoulders that he got stale. Hogan, Austin, Cena... all the same thing. Once Cena retires and randomly appears like Hogan and Austin do now then he will start getting cheered again.

The reason why Austin worked was because he wasn't the top guy for a decade like Cena or Hogan. And fucking Vince is too gay to make a new star other than Cena.
They're forcing Orton to be that guy, but he can't work the stick.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Cena was good earlier in his career.. thuganomics and all that shit.. he was entertaining, it's when Vince put the company on Cena's shoulders that he got stale. Hogan, Austin, Cena... all the same thing. Once Cena retires and randomly appears like Hogan and Austin do now then he will start getting cheered again.

I agree. Even in his US Title run, he had some fantastic brawls with Aaron Aguilera (Jesus). He became Captain Cardboard though when he won the WWE Belt. Vince has always had this thing about the WWE Champion being less aggressive than his opponents if the champ is a face.

 

[CM Punk]

WTF, she sounded like a fucking mouse being attacked.

 

[Jacob Fox]

The reason why Austin worked was because he wasn't the top guy for a decade like Cena or Hogan. And fucking Vince is too gay to make a new star other than Cena.
They're forcing Orton to be that guy, but he can't work the stick.

I think that's half of it. I think the other half is that the Austin character didn't change much from heel to face, or tweener, if that is more accurate. Shawn Michaels, for example, was an excellent heel in his first heel run, but as soon as he became champ, he was putting on crappy promos and not wrestling nearly as good as before. That's a reason why he has always been more suited to not have a belt on him. Austin, on the other hand, was likely allowed to keep his character intact because Vince was so desperate to not lose to WCW that he was open to trying something different. Of course now, when he is not facing that danger, he is apt to return to what he prefers.

That has always been my biggest issue with Vince is how he feels he should change a character when that character gets popular. The man has a decent business mind but his creativity is always suspect.

 

[WWESpongefan]

This Ambulance match may kill me... Two of my favorites... Dean Ambrose and Bray Wyatt.

 

[CM Punk]

I think that's half of it. I think the other half is that the Austin character didn't change much from heel to face, or tweener, if that is more accurate. Shawn Michaels, for example, was an excellent heel in his first heel run, but as soon as he became champ, he was putting on crappy promos and not wrestling nearly as good as before. That's a reason why he has always been more suited to not have a belt on him. Austin, on the other hand, was likely allowed to keep his character intact because Vince was so desperate to not lose to WCW that he was open to trying something different. Of course now, when he is not facing that danger, he is apt to return to what he prefers.

That has always been my biggest issue with Vince is how he feels he should change a character when that character gets popular. The man has a decent business mind but his creativity is always suspect.

Also, we should factor that Austin got his neck injury which led to more stars being made. Like back then we had The Rock, Stone Cold, HHH, Mankind, Kane, Undertaker and Angle.

Now we really just have is Cena, Orton, Bryan and Lesnar. Such a lack of stars. Although, Shield members are getting their fix to stardom.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Kind of a slow start, hopefully it will get better.

 

[Just Kevin]

I'll never understand why, in matches like this, the competitors go back down to the ring lol

 

[Jacob Fox]

I'll never understand why, in matches like this, the competitors go back down to the ring lol

Because that is where the weapons are stored.

 

[CM Punk]

Ayyy, Austin's show commercial.

 

[Just Kevin]

Because that is where the weapons are stored.

Yeah, but they are fighting in the ring again lol

 

[Jacob Fox]

Yeah, but they are fighting in the ring again lol

My points only hold up when no one points out the obvious flaws in them

 

[Just Kevin]

I can see an Ambrose jumping from the ambulance coming.

 

[Just Kevin]

Every time he does that I say Ode to Mick Foley.

 

[WWESpongefan]

Great match... Dean Ambrose might have actually hurt his knee. I hope he's not hurt too bad.