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Like I said in my post which you were too amazing and smart to read, I never said the mentioned black wrestlers were better than the mentioned whites, I said they never got the opportunity to show their abilities. You're actually the uneducated one, have been listening for 20 years. Nobody thinks of rappers when thinking of a white male, but many think or rappers when thinking of blacks, why? It's a dang stereotype that has been implemented in our heads. Thanks for pulling out info from Wikipedia because you know half of the stuff you spouted, you did not even know them in the first place.
If Rock was 50%, then why did WWE never bring it up. We all know he's part Samoan, but you will have to go online to find out the rest of his roots. You sound like a dumbfounded neck beard, acting like the IC championship means anything compared to the WHC. I was talking about the lack of Black WHC and you switched the conversation, you wanted to have some rude statements to throw my way, because you're probably too much of a coward in real life to stand up for yourself anyway.
Big E has more charisma and ability than Reigns, why is it that Roman is being pushed? You claim the company will push ANYBODY who is over, then why hasn't he been pushed the way guys who aren't black have?
And I said it earlier the New Day has been losing a lot of matches as of late, so don't compare a midcard push about a month ago to now. And if you actually watch WWE, just know the New Day we're first an actual stereotype, a black preacher's gimmick. Now that Cena has taken off, does he still have that white rapper gimmick, no. Has any black person used a stereotype and got a push like the other ones, not they did not. Godfather was pimp, a mid-carder, a IC Champ, R-Truth has been mostly comedy relief, not saying he needs a push, but line up the opportunities the blacks have gotten with others of different races, I sympathy for Asians and African Americans.
And finally, John Cena. The man who is not over, the man you pretended to have forgotten in you're nonsensical argument. Fans chanted "you can't wrestle" at him numerous times in the past few years, wonder if they did for T? You need some knowledge, so hear is some. Getting a loud crowd reaction is only half of what makes a good babyface, it's also if the crowd likes you. Only snot nosed kids like you and a few women root for him, you must be an isolated nobody, but you probably deserve it. But do me a favor, don't have strength to reply to my posts simply because others did. You're more than welcome to step up and challenge my intellectually and the whole world can watch as you get burned.

I'm more than happy to bow down to a much more intellectual person than myself, so I'll concede you're a 1,000% correct and we're blessed to have you on the forum.
 
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I'm more than happy to bow down to a much more intellectual person than myself, so I'll concede you're a 1,000% correct and we're blessed to have you on the forum.
Good job busboy, you have realized you're place and happily accepted it. Not everyone can be decent, let alone me MWA HA HA!
 
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All I'm saying is, during the hulkamania era there weren't really a lot of colored wrestlers who had that main event quality to justify a main event push in the WWE. Majority of black wrestlers who were uppercard level mostly worked in the NWA, in Mexico, or Japan.

I do not blame Vince for pushing guys like Hogan, André, Piper, Roberts and such if his options were Koko. The only possible option for the WWE when it came to a black top guy in the 80s was Junkyard Dog, and he had the disability of dying.

Let's not forget that Ron Simmons became the first ever african american world champion in 1992.
I agree, but black people in wrestling have not had the opportunity to do what a lot of whites have done, that's all I'm saying.
 

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The black talent crop hasn't been that great in the past decade or so, IMO. That being said, questionable gimmicks & stereotyping exist in the WWE. Not every black wrestler has to come out to rap music. Not every Latino wrestler has to have fiesta or cholo music, lmao.

Mark Henry had a very memorable run as champion. One of the best gimmicks of the decade. I wish they didn't stop Kofi's push in 2009, and I wish they didn't have Booker T get buried by Triple H.
 
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The black talent crop hasn't been that great in the past decade or so, IMO. That being said, questionable gimmicks & stereotyping exist in the WWE. Not every black wrestler has to come out to rap music. Not every Latino wrestler has to have fiesta or cholo music, lmao.

Mark Henry had a very memorable run as champion. One of the best gimmicks of the decade. I wish they didn't stop Kofi's push in 2009, and I wish they didn't have Booker T get buried by Triple H.
You make a good argument, that the crop has not been as talented. But I think we're ready for a breakthrough, we have Crew, Swann, E, things could go down historically. But H did not bury T IMO, I feel as if the creative did.
 
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Shelton Benjamin was very talented, but painfully below average on the mic. I think Titus has the tools to be a dominate heel. He's good in the ring as a big man and is very entertaining. The WWE uses him as their epic black spokesman so I don't know if it'll happen.

Honestly, I'd kill to see Big E win the big one, get a massive push as the true leader of the New Day. Tone down the jokes, have the New Day go rogue. Only thing I could compare it to is a DX sorta thing, have the group roast the fuck out of the top babyface, cheat to win, fuck it bring in Sasha as your Chyna (lol) and you've got some edgy shit that could catch on.

Edit: Guys like Elijah Burke & Marcus Cor Von could have had bigger roles in the mid card.
 
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Actually, the current title has never been held by a black man.

The current title is the exact same title as the WWWF/WWF/WWE Championship has ever been. The title lineage is kept intact through that belt, however, and not the World Heavyweight Championship. In basis the WHC was absorbed into the belt, but it is not a different title than it ever has been. So technically, yes, a black man has held the current belt and that is the Rock, who has held it 8 times.

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I see you love to spout out "The Rock", wasn't the Rock mostly Samoan? Rock never brings up his African-american roots so don't bring up that lame, cheap excuse with me okay.
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The Rock isn't African American, which is likely why he doesn't bring it up. His father, Rocky Johnson, was black and from Nova Scotia. So technically the Rock is 50% Samoan and 50% Nova Scotian Black, as it is actually referred to. However, the Rock has brought up the fact that he is black plenty of times.. everyone seems to forget his time in the Nation of Domination where it was mentioned on a weekly basis. But lets look at the other side of the coin... the Rock nowadays might not mention he is black but to bring that up is a Texas sharpshooter fallacy because he doesn't go around mentioning he is Samoan either. He interacts with his Samoan relatives more often that WE see because they are the ones on TV. But I have been watching wrestling for 30 years and have heard the Rock mention he is black more than I have heard him mention he is Samoan.
 
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I agree, but black people in wrestling have not had the opportunity to do what a lot of whites have done, that's all I'm saying.
That's not a wrestling problem. That's a society problem.
Wrestling mirrors society.
 

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"There does seem to be a prejudice against black wrestlers, in some walks of pro-wrestling. In WWE? I don't think so. WWE has a lack of black world champions, and that can be a call for concern, but not a lot of black guys have gotten over. But that provokes the argument that the reason black people don't get over is because they get stuck with stereotypical rapper, money-loving, sexual, exotic etc. gimmick. "

The biggest star of the last 10 years started with a stereotypical white rapper gimmick, if the talent is good enough it can get over.Let's not forget New Day have a motivational preacher kind of stick going off also.
To say that John Cena got over because of the thug gimmick is a complete overstatement. He got over because of his ability on the mic. Same reason he's over right now. He's not the greatest wrestler, and doesn't have the most polished of skills. But the fact that he can spin anything into a great promo, is the key.

People want to see the thug gimmick because it gave him an edge, but to say that the thug gimmick is responsible for his superstardom is not true.
 

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To say that John Cena got over because of the thug gimmick is a complete overstatement. He got over because of his ability on the mic. Same reason he's over right now. He's not the greatest wrestler, and doesn't have the most polished of skills. But the fact that he can spin anything into a great promo, is the key.

People want to see the thug gimmick because it gave him an edge, but to say that the thug gimmick is responsible for his superstardom is not true.
I didn't say he got over because of it, I used it as an example of how someone can get over with a similar gimmick to the one's people saying black wrestlers are getting held back with. If anything we're saying the same thing (if a talent is good enough it can get over with most gimmicks [not all, some are a death sentence])
 

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isn't The Rock half-black, and isn't he possibly the biggest WWE superstar ever? I mean he's definitely not Caucasian. SO RACIST!
 

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That's not a wrestling problem. That's a society problem.
Wrestling mirrors society.
It's stats, family.

More white people are into wrestling, more white people become wrestlers. There's a higher chance that they will dominate wrestling because they are higher in number.
To say that John Cena got over because of the thug gimmick is a complete overstatement. He got over because of his ability on the mic. Same reason he's over right now. He's not the greatest wrestler, and doesn't have the most polished of skills. But the fact that he can spin anything into a great promo, is the key.

People want to see the thug gimmick because it gave him an edge, but to say that the thug gimmick is responsible for his superstardom is not true.
Cena's rapper gimmick was culturally relevant. Eminem was the man at the time, probably the most popular artist in the world.
 

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isn't The Rock half-black, and isn't he possibly the biggest WWE superstar ever? I mean he's definitely not Caucasian. SO RACIST!

Yes but people like to claim (erroneously) that the Rock doesn't identify as black, he only identifies as Samoan. However, this is complete fiction used to support their argument.
 

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The Rock is as white as a black man can get. Next to Key.