Pro Wrestling is racist?

[Adamley Jonesses]

"The biggest star of the last 10 years started with a stereotypical white rapper gimmick, if the talent is good enough it can get over.Let's not forget New Day have a motivational preacher kind of stick going off also."
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The talent just wasn't there for most of the black guys to be a major player, let's not forget they gave Mabel the king of the ring when it meant something (admittedly in a bad time for the company), Booker got the WHC as did Mark Henry and The Rock was one of if not their biggest star of all time (inb4 racists have a moral line regarding linage and only discriminate against people who are over 50% black)[/QUOTE]"

Actually, the current title has never been held by a black man. Black men have the ability to do what Asians, Africans, Europeans, and Whites can and have done. The man literally said WWE is not racist and black wrestlers don't shine because they never got the chance too. Compare the top stars of today since the days of the WWF and see if it lines up with the opportunities black wrestlers get. And it was not a stereotype that Cen a played, for Pete sake it was a rip off of Vanilla White, there has barely been white rappers! I think some people online are mad that African Americans, men and women of color face unfair discrimination, especially in society. So sugarcoat for your segregation loving egos and watch as the world will pass you by.

 

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"The biggest star of the last 10 years started with a stereotypical white rapper gimmick, if the talent is good enough it can get over.Let's not forget New Day have a motivational preacher kind of stick going off also."
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The talent just wasn't there for most of the black guys to be a major player, let's not forget they gave Mabel the king of the ring when it meant something (admittedly in a bad time for the company), Booker got the WHC as did Mark Henry and The Rock was one of if not their biggest star of all time (inb4 racists have a moral line regarding linage and only discriminate against people who are over 50% black)"

Actually, the current title has never been held by a black man. Black men have the ability to do what Asians, Africans, Europeans, and Whites can and have done. The man literally said WWE is not racist and black wrestlers don't shine because they never got the chance too. Compare the top stars of today since the days of the WWF and see if it lines up with the opportunities black wrestlers get. And it was not a stereotype that Cen a played, for Pete sake it was a rip off of Vanilla White, there has barely been white rappers! I think some people online are mad that African Americans, men and women of color face unfair discrimination, especially in society. So sugarcoat for your segregation loving egos and watch as the world will pass you by.

The current title, I'm assuming we're talking about the WWE WHC which has been held by 5 different people. Which black wrestler should have been given a run instead during that time period? If we're talking WWE title lineage then The Rock says hi. New Day are a pretty large component of Raw at the moment, are they not being given a chance on the main stage? There are quite a lot of white rappers actually (Eminem is one of the most highly regarded artists in Hip Hop, plus he's one of the most commercially successful for example) and Cena was playing into a stereotype (you even admitted it was playing into the 90's stereotype Vanilla Ice helped build), I'm guessing you're projecting for some reason, no idea why you've got it into your head I love segregation. Which top stars should have gotten a run, I'm geniunely curious which black wrestlers should have replaced Hogan, Hart, Austin, Rock (does he pass as black to you?) or Cena.

 

[Neptune]

Rock is considered more Samoan than anything even though I think he is 50/50 (right?).

I could have seen Mark Henry holding the belt maybe around this time :


I feel like he could have done a solid run as a heel champ. I wish they would have.

 

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Rock is considered more Samoan than anything even though I think he is 50/50 (right?).

I could have seen Mark Henry holding the belt maybe around this time :


I feel like he could have done a solid run as a heel champ. I wish they would have.

Yeah he could have sure, the main point is plenty of people of various ethnicities could have gotten shots but didn't for many reasons (in Henry case he's injury prone, like really badly. They've put him in multiple programmes and he's gotten injured and pulled out of them. He's closer to DZ in that regard it seems where the company feels they can't trust him for a title run because of it.)

 

[Neptune]

Yeah he could have sure, the main point is plenty of people of various ethnicities could have gotten shots but didn't for many reasons (in Henry case he's injury prone, like really badly. They've put him in multiple programmes and he's gotten injured and pulled out of them. He's closer to DZ in that regard it seems where the company feels they can't trust him for a title run because of it.)

I get that and a lot of wrestlers are injury prone but I think Seth has proven it can happen to anyone. It is always a gamble, they just don't want to invest on someone that has a higher chance of needing time away. If Kofi had better mic skills and was over more, I could have seen him holding it, even if but a short while. R Truth could have been good as well but the problem there is people get bored of both of them too easily.

You can't call a company racist when they do things, many things, in favor of their fan-base. If anything, some wwe fans are the racist ones.
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I get that and a lot of wrestlers are injury prone but I think Seth has proven it can happen to anyone. It is always a gamble, they just don't want to invest on someone that has a higher chance of needing time away. If Kofi had better mic skills and was over more, I could have seen him holding it, even if but a short while. R Truth could have been good as well but the problem there is people get bored of both of them too easily.

You can't call a company racist when they do things, many things, in favor of their fan-base. If anything, some wwe fans are the racist ones.
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I honestly believe Kofi would and probably should have gotten his run in late 09 (was it 09 when he feuded with Orton?) if not for the issues he picked up with Orton at the time. If he carries on like he is with The New Day he's gotta get a run at some point in the next few years.

 

[Neptune]

I honestly believe Kofi would and probably should have gotten his run in late 09 (was it 09 when he feuded with Orton?) if not for the issues he picked up with Orton at the time. If he carries on like he is with The New Day he's gotta get a run at some point in the next few years.

He is a damn good wrestler for sure and has to be one of the best black wrestlers of this generation. It just sucks that the fans don't want him more. I mean to me, he puts on good shows. I am sure we will see one at the Royal Rumble.

Heck I would go as far to put him in the top 10 of recent wrestlers of wwe over all, not just based on color/race.

 

[Adamley Jonesses]

The current title, I'm assuming we're talking about the WWE WHC which has been held by 5 different people. Which black wrestler should have been given a run instead during that time period? If we're talking WWE title lineage then The Rock says hi. New Day are a pretty large component of Raw at the moment, are they not being given a chance on the main stage? There are quite a lot of white rappers actually (Eminem is one of the most highly regarded artists in Hip Hop, plus he's one of the most commercially successful for example) and Cena was playing into a stereotype (you even admitted it was playing into the 90's stereotype Vanilla Ice helped build), I'm guessing you're projecting for some reason, no idea why you've got it into your head I love segregation. Which top stars should have gotten a run, I'm geniunely curious which black wrestlers should have replaced Hogan, Hart, Austin, Rock (does he pass as black to you?) or Cena.

Well Hogan was not a great wrestler, just had mic skills and made wrestling mainstream, Booker T was a better wrestler and did not get half of what he did, and he also sold moves unlike Cena for a long while. You quite frankly seem like one of those guys that love their keyboard because they can say all the stupid things that they would not say in public. New Day has been losing as of late, and which one has gotten a title shot? Kofi has been here longer than Rollins, yet never got one like he did! I see you love to spout out "The Rock", wasn't the Rock mostly Samoan? Rock never brings up his African-american roots so don't bring up that lame, cheap excuse with me okay.
And about Ice, I never said he was a stereotype. I said he was a awful jock off of him, and there are not a lot of rappers. If you we're educated on the art of hip-hop, know that many white rappers sometimes get some discrimination, so it's not a stereo-nothing. And to clarify, I never said anybody should replace them, I said blacks never got the chance to! And please, spell genuinely right, it's a simple word for a simple minded man/woman/boy/girl etc.

 

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Well Hogan was not a great wrestler, just had mic skills and made wrestling mainstream, Booker T was a better wrestler and did not get half of what he did, and he also sold moves unlike Cena for a long while. You quite frankly seem like one of those guys that love their keyboard because they can say all the stupid things that they would not say in public. New Day has been losing as of late, and which one has gotten a title shot? Kofi has been here longer than Rollins, yet never got one like he did! I see you love to spout out "The Rock", wasn't the Rock mostly Samoan? Rock never brings up his African-american roots so don't bring up that lame, cheap excuse with me okay.
And about Ice, I never said he was a stereotype. I said he was a awful jock off of him, and there are not a lot of rappers. If you we're educated on the art of hip-hop, know that many white rappers sometimes get some discrimination, so it's not a stereo-nothing. And to clarify, I never said anybody should replace them, I said blacks never got the chance to! And please, spell genuinely right, it's a simple word for a simple minded man/woman/boy/girl etc.

Hogan was arguably the most charismatic wrestler of all time and helped move wrestling into the mainstream, selling moves is cool and all but Cena is one of the top merchandise sellers of all time both have other reasons rather than skin tone for being the top guy. Booker was one of the few WCW wrestlers who came over and got a good run of it wasn't he (wining a world title, KOTR, a few prominent Mania roles is a good run isn't it?)

New Day are one of the main focuses of the show, picking up a win on PPV a whole 2 weeks ago. Kofi could have gotten a run with the title as I said earlier in this thread, however there's been plenty of white wrestlers who should have gotten an opportunity but didn't. Would you seriously regard Kofi as being as interesting or as over as Rollins was post Shield break up?

The Rock was 50% black due to his father being black (it's a simplistic look at heritage but let's keep it that way.)

I'm not sure if you understand what the word stereotype means, here's a dictionary definition :
"a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing."
source : stereotype - definition of stereotype in English from the Oxford dictionary
I'd say Vanilla Ice helped greatly build an oversimplified image of a white rapper from the 90's, wouldn't you? If so then you'll have to concede he helped contribute to a stereotype.

Since we're discussing grammar surely you meant to use "were" rather than the contraction "we're" since "if you we are educated on the art of hip hop" doesn't fit your sentence structure.

So you believe the E should have bypassed Hogan, Savage, Dibiase, Jake The Snake, Roddy Piper etc for a black wrestler during the golden era just to give them a chance? Who should have been given that shot Junkyard Dog? He was over but so were many others who didn't get the shot. Plus Mr T headlined the first Wrestlemania (yes I understand he wasn't a wrestler but if the company had a real prejudicial culture about it would they have done that?)

They attempted to push Ahmed Johnson (making him the IC title in the mid 90's), Mabel (giving him King of The Ring) and others in a similar time frame during the golden era.

Are there black wrestlers who should have been given a shot? Absolutely however there are many other factors involved. Let's not beat around the bush the only colour this company sees is green, if Vince and the company believe someone could be or is already marketable they'll push them. However if you feel differently I'm more than happy to mark it up as a difference of opinion and leave it at that.

 

[Adamley Jonesses]

Hogan was arguably the most charismatic wrestler of all time and helped move wrestling into the mainstream, selling moves is cool and all but Cena is one of the top merchandise sellers of all time both have other reasons rather than skin tone for being the top guy. Booker was one of the few WCW wrestlers who came over and got a good run of it wasn't he (wining a world title, KOTR, a few prominent Mania roles is a good run isn't it?)

New Day are one of the main focuses of the show, picking up a win on PPV a whole 2 weeks ago. Kofi could have gotten a run with the title as I said earlier in this thread, however there's been plenty of white wrestlers who should have gotten an opportunity but didn't. Would you seriously regard Kofi as being as interesting or as over as Rollins was post Shield break up?

The Rock was 50% black due to his father being black (it's a simplistic look at heritage but let's keep it that way.)

I'm not sure if you understand what the word stereotype means, here's a dictionary definition :
"a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing."
source : stereotype - definition of stereotype in English from the Oxford dictionary
I'd say Vanilla Ice helped greatly build an oversimplified image of a white rapper from the 90's, wouldn't you? If so then you'll have to concede he helped contribute to a stereotype.

Since we're discussing grammar surely you meant to use "were" rather than the contraction "we're" since "if you we are educated on the art of hip hop" doesn't fit your sentence structure.

So you believe the E should have bypassed Hogan, Savage, Dibiase, Jake The Snake, Roddy Piper etc for a black wrestler during the golden era just to give them a chance? Who should have been given that shot Junkyard Dog? He was over but so were many others who didn't get the shot. Plus Mr T headlined the first Wrestlemania (yes I understand he wasn't a wrestler but if the company had a real prejudicial culture about it would they have done that?)

They attempted to push Ahmed Johnson (making him the IC title in the mid 90's), Mabel (giving him King of The Ring) and others in a similar time frame during the golden era.

Are there black wrestlers who should have been given a shot? Absolutely however there are many other factors involved. Let's not beat around the bush the only colour this company sees is green, if Vince and the company believe someone could be or is already marketable they'll push them. However if you feel differently I'm more than happy to mark it up as a difference of opinion and leave it at that.

Like I said in my post which you were too amazing and smart to read, I never said the mentioned black wrestlers were better than the mentioned whites, I said they never got the opportunity to show their abilities. You're actually the uneducated one, have been listening for 20 years. Nobody thinks of rappers when thinking of a white male, but many think or rappers when thinking of blacks, why? It's a dang stereotype that has been implemented in our heads. Thanks for pulling out info from Wikipedia because you know half of the stuff you spouted, you did not even know them in the first place.
If Rock was 50%, then why did WWE never bring it up. We all know he's part Samoan, but you will have to go online to find out the rest of his roots. You sound like a dumbfounded neck beard, acting like the IC championship means anything compared to the WHC. I was talking about the lack of Black WHC and you switched the conversation, you wanted to have some rude statements to throw my way, because you're probably too much of a coward in real life to stand up for yourself anyway.
Big E has more charisma and ability than Reigns, why is it that Roman is being pushed? You claim the company will push ANYBODY who is over, then why hasn't he been pushed the way guys who aren't black have?
And I said it earlier the New Day has been losing a lot of matches as of late, so don't compare a midcard push about a month ago to now. And if you actually watch WWE, just know the New Day we're first an actual stereotype, a black preacher's gimmick. Now that Cena has taken off, does he still have that white rapper gimmick, no. Has any black person used a stereotype and got a push like the other ones, not they did not. Godfather was pimp, a mid-carder, a IC Champ, R-Truth has been mostly comedy relief, not saying he needs a push, but line up the opportunities the blacks have gotten with others of different races, I sympathy for Asians and African Americans.
And finally, John Cena. The man who is not over, the man you pretended to have forgotten in you're nonsensical argument. Fans chanted "you can't wrestle" at him numerous times in the past few years, wonder if they did for T? You need some knowledge, so hear is some. Getting a loud crowd reaction is only half of what makes a good babyface, it's also if the crowd likes you. Only snot nosed kids like you and a few women root for him, you must be an isolated nobody, but you probably deserve it. But do me a favor, don't have strength to reply to my posts simply because others did. You're more than welcome to step up and challenge my intellectually and the whole world can watch as you get burned.

 

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Imagine Koko B Ware maineventing a mania.

 

[Adamley Jonesses]

Imagine Koko B Ware maineventing a mania.

Could you please clarify?

 

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All I'm saying is, during the hulkamania era there weren't really a lot of colored wrestlers who had that main event quality to justify a main event push in the WWE. Majority of black wrestlers who were uppercard level mostly worked in the NWA, in Mexico, or Japan.

I do not blame Vince for pushing guys like Hogan, André, Piper, Roberts and such if his options were Koko. The only possible option for the WWE when it came to a black top guy in the 80s was Junkyard Dog, and he had the disability of dying.

Let's not forget that Ron Simmons became the first ever african american world champion in 1992.

 

[Pop Tatari]

Until a china man main events maina for the title and beats Cena clean then they are racist fascist Nazis the lot of them

 

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Imagine Koko B Ware maineventing a mania.

He never got a shot Koko mania would have taken over.