MTG Mafia, Angels vs. Enemies - Game Thread

[Lethal]

Uhhh I like made a point to specifically point out that your town read of tweet came before the jeff flip and wanted to know your reason for it and here you’re reading him town solely based off of the jeff flip lmao

What do you think of the “content” brutus has provided so far? You’ve generically said he’s provided some but I don’t really remember anything game related so I’d be interested in your analysis

False. I said that Jeff was my strongest scum lean, so someone pushing that and making more sense of it (Tweet) would suggest a town lean or at the very least not aligned. That's why I had Tweets as a town lean. The fact Jeff flipped scum did nothing to sway my lean on Tweet.

He speculated on fluff turning serious. Sussed on Rugrat playing the Ruggers meta of trolling as scum. Went in at Rugrat again for disliking Magic's posts. Seems very centric on Rugrat. He was like this previously tunneling me and calling me a coward. My memory is hopeless for what the theme was but I'm sure someone can check his alignment. Tying a hitch to Chris as solid town is ballsy and making me sway the lean back towards the fence.

 

[Poyser]

The tell that Poyser stated is that OMB as scum rarely if ever votes his team mates. As town, OMB will suss anything that moves and post countless speculation. In Nintendo, he had me correctly painted as scum on GUT and even guessed my character correctly, but he couldn't push the lynch or kill through. He didn't vote at all during the day phase this game, and hasn't been seen the whole night phase.

Buddy, if that was the tell then how would I know it had presented before a flip?

You’re calling my case rock solid and you don’t even know why I think he’s scum

 

[Lethal]

Right I'm stepping out for a while. I'm being hounded with questions, I've given my responses each time.

EV, you are twisting the words. YOU said that it confirmed Jeff town, Barry said no it didn't, just confirmed him as loved.

 

[Poyser]

False. I said that Jeff was my strongest scum lean, so someone pushing that and making more sense of it (Tweet) would suggest a town lean or at the very least not aligned. That's why I had Tweets as a town lean. The fact Jeff flipped scum did nothing to sway my lean on Tweet.

He speculated on fluff turning serious. Sussed on Rugrat playing the Ruggers meta of trolling as scum. Went in at Rugrat again for disliking Magic's posts. Seems very centric on Rugrat. He was like this previously tunneling me and calling me a coward. My memory is hopeless for what the theme was but I'm sure someone can check his alignment. Tying a hitch to Chris as solid town is ballsy and making me sway the lean back towards the fence.

Which posts of tweet during D1 did you think helped make sense of jeff that you thought made him town? Can you quote them?

 

[Evans]

Right I'm stepping out for a while. I'm being hounded with questions, I've given my responses each time.

EV, you are twisting the words. YOU said that it confirmed Jeff town, Barry said no it didn't, just confirmed him as loved.

No, I made a mistake and incorrectly read Barry's post that said "Jeff is confirmed loved".

I admitted to this mistake to Barry & Chris. So there's no twisting at all.

 

[Poyser]

On the one hand I’m like

Holy shit we’ve caught 3 scum and it’s only N1

On the other hand I’m kinda like well this seems too easy, so we are probably wrong somewhere lmao

 

[Evans]

On the one hand I’m like

Holy shit we’ve caught 3 scum and it’s only N1

On the other hand I’m kinda like well this seems too easy, so we are probably wrong somewhere lmao

I'm starting to go from indie/town on Lethal to indie/scum.

No way with the depth of his readback does he make that many mistakes in his story, reasonings and cases. The blatant breadcrumbing about me "twisting" things is a consideration as well. If town Lethal had any conviction that I was twisting the truth, he'd be shit hot on it. Not ignoring me asking for him to address something he promised to address and then leaving.

 

[Poyser]

Yeah, with lethal I don’t expect his stuff to be super solid and I expect to disagree with a fair amount, but I expect it to at least make sense from his POV and be consistent and it’s just not here.

 

[Lethal]

Ok, Let’s say I give you benefit of the doubt here. Can you think of an example or a game where you’ve been convinced somebody is scum, but instead elected to search for a stronger target instead of wanting to lynch them?

Not off the top of my head. As I said, my memory isn't the best. I've stated that OMB isn't going to be the brains behind the operation, Jeff is a higher priority lynch. I could go back throuhg my old games, but I don't have the time to do so. Maybe someone who loves receipts can go and show me up?

What was impressive or towny about the big man “case”?

I'm a sucker for coincidences. I myself used this very tactic to believe Tweets was scum a few games back. I was wrong. Coincidences aren't always fact.

No, the tell from Poyser was that OMB gives gut reads to town as scum and gut reads to scum when town.




No, I'm not. You promised to address it later on and never did and now you're backtracking saying Barry addressed it lol.



Also, I admitted to a mistake when I said Barry called Jeff loved town. So I'm not twisting Barry's words here in the slightest. Barry is someone I have a town lean on.

So, despite all of these "read backs" that you've done, you've got some big points there incorrect (including you being wrong about who voted OMB first out of Poyser/Jeff despite there being evidence and a discussion about this in a thread, hours before you showed up).

Well shoot me for being wrong. I don't profess to be 100% accurate and makes mistakes.

 

[Lethal]

Which posts of tweet during D1 did you think helped make sense of jeff that you thought made him town? Can you quote them?

Sure

The stuff I asked him about earlier, he seems fine having me as null and doing precisely nothing to get a read of me (though one could argue that it's not his job to get me to play the game), but him saying it's because his reads of me have been bad recently is strange, cause that's not something that's ever kept him from giving it another shot before. Also there's this stuff you pointed out just now where he summarized the differences in Big Mans play recently and in this game without any conclusion and I agree that it looks like busywork.

As for you, I wanna see if the tell I think I might have spotted with you is a thing and it requires you to do something you always do before long.

More coherent version of my thoughts

 

[Poyser]

Not off the top of my head. As I said, my memory isn't the best. I've stated that OMB isn't going to be the brains behind the operation, Jeff is a higher priority lynch. I could go back throuhg my old games, but I don't have the time to do so. Maybe someone who loves receipts can go and show me up?



I'm a sucker for coincidences. I myself used this very tactic to believe Tweets was scum a few games back. I was wrong. Coincidences aren't always fact.



Well shoot me for being wrong. I don't profess to be 100% accurate and makes mistakes.

Jeff never concluded big man was scum though. There was an awful lot wrong with it. For one, they weren’t really similar, 2, the game he used big man wasn’t even properly scum, he’s a traitor and is therefore not mired by the info you start off with as scum which tends to affect your entrance. 3, big man is a higher tier player so he’s not the kind of person that’s gonna make the same entrance as scum every game. For 4 he never gave any kind of conclusion and I had to prod him for it which is like the opposite of town jeff. Don’t understand why you see what he did there and go yeah, that seems towny.

 

[Lethal]

I'm starting to go from indie/town on Lethal to indie/scum.

No way with the depth of his readback does he make that many mistakes in his story, reasonings and cases. The blatant breadcrumbing about me "twisting" things is a consideration as well. If town Lethal had any conviction that I was twisting the truth, he'd be shit hot on it. Not ignoring me asking for him to address something he promised to address and then leaving.

My readbacks aren't anything special. I could just be lazy and pop in here and there like alco, pehnom and lawls, but no, I take time to pick what I find interesting me and offer thoughts and opinions. SOmetimes it's illogical babbling crap. How many times have I ever successfully led a lynch or a case without info?? Never. So to expect great things from me is flawed.

Yeah, with lethal I don’t expect his stuff to be super solid and I expect to disagree with a fair amount, but I expect it to at least make sense from his POV and be consistent and it’s just not here.

I really don't know what else you expect me to do here. You want me to claim? Seems that's the way it's going to be heading

 

[Poyser]

Claim when day hits is probably the way to go

Are you usually this self deprecating as town? Genuine question lol

 

[Lethal]

Jeff never concluded big man was scum though. There was an awful lot wrong with it. For one, they weren’t really similar, 2, the game he used big man wasn’t even properly scum, he’s a traitor and is therefore not mired by the info you start off with as scum which tends to affect your entrance. 3, big man is a higher tier player so he’s not the kind of person that’s gonna make the same entrance as scum every game. For 4 he never gave any kind of conclusion and I had to prod him for it which is like the opposite of town jeff. Don’t understand why you see what he did there and go yeah, that seems towny.

He found a pattern, I thought a proactive Jeff fit his town meta. I was wrong and readjusted it when he started to follow you around. The flip-flopping of votes didn't help either - Big Man, EV, OMB, Magic, OMB. Does he try and bus there? Unlikely on Big Man and I doubt Magic lets him do it again after the last time it failed spectacularly.

Also, I said town points. I didn't give a solid blue, I didn't vote Big Man, I said town points.

 

[Poyser]

Because I’ve never really noticed it but it’s doing my head in this game because you’re trying to explain away all your shit with “ya, I’m bad” but if you were town you’d be happy you just nailed jeff and if you’re confident OMB is scum then that’s 2 scum you correctly picked up as scum!