Live NXT July 8th Discussion Thread: The Great American Bash - Part 2 - The Greatest Great American Bash

[Chris]

Thats a factual statement but I still don't like chrisley talk in the NXT chat

 

[Hidden Blaze]

Thats a factual statement but I still don't like chrisley talk in the NXT chat

Better than me shooting on Florida in the AEW Thread


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[JakeYourBooty]

Thats a factual statement but I still don't like chrisley talk in the NXT chat

It’s part of the NXT experience bruh they only show 1000 commercials for it


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[Sabretooth]

Yeah great can’t wait till they come to the main roster to Vince can ruin them to. Push them for a few months then decide they’re not over and start jobbing them out.

 

[Hoss]

Yeah great can’t wait till they come to the main roster to Vince can ruin them to. Push them for a few months then decide they’re not over and start jobbing them out.

Yeah just like he did to Drew McIntyre and Andrade and Angel and Zelina and KO and Shinsuke and Finn and Joe and every relevant female on the roster.

 

[Cwalker]

Only the 2nd African American to hold that belt Bask in the Glory big man

 

[Sabretooth]

Yeah just like he did to Drew McIntyre and Andrade and Angel and Zelina and KO and Shinsuke and Finn and Joe and every relevant female on the roster.

tbh he basically killed the momentum of the last three you mentioned.

 

[Cwalker]

Not like Finn’s injury killed his momentum or anything....

 

[Hoss]

Finn got injured at the worst time, Joe has stayed injured and Shinsuke, if we being real, has not been himself since coming to the main roster. And even so, Finn is a former world champ, Joe has had multiple shots at world titles and had one of the better US Title Reigns in recent history, and Shin won the Rumble, had a world title match at Mania, and has won the US and IC Titles. Given their injuries and inconsistencies, they've achieved about what you'd expect.

I won't deny that a plenty of acts come up from NXT and lose their direction or get watered down. Bobby Roode is probably the most glaring example. Sami Zayn is up there.

But the way people act, you'd think every NXT call up is just immediately jobbed out and forgotten about. When in reality, they usually end up doing alright in the long term. In addition to who I listed already, I could add Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin, Elias, Heavy Machinery, Viking Raiders, Street Profits, Apollo Crews, Matt Riddle and Murphy to acts who are currently prominently featured. It's definitely up for debate whether they're better or worse now than they were in NXT, but they're not being ruined and jobbed out for the most part (especially considering very few WWE superstars actually seem to win consistently).

Point being... TUE will probably be no different. One way or another, they're likely gonna find their place, win some titles, be major parts of the show they're on for some time. I'm sure regardless people will say they've been ruined, and they were better in NXT. But it is what is. If you're a fan of NXT more so than WWE (which I get, I'm probably in the same boat) of course you're gonna think everyone is better in NXT.

 

[Cwalker]

The popular narrative is “Vince kills everything he touches” so if a guy comes from NXT to the main roster and doesn’t immediately reach superstardom, then it’s attributed not knowing what to do with him.

 

[Sabretooth]

Finn got injured at the worst time, Joe has stayed injured and Shinsuke, if we being real, has not been himself since coming to the main roster. And even so, Finn is a former world champ, Joe has had multiple shots at world titles and had one of the better US Title Reigns in recent history, and Shin won the Rumble, had a world title match at Mania, and has won the US and IC Titles. Given their injuries and inconsistencies, they've achieved about what you'd expect.

I won't deny that a plenty of acts come up from NXT and lose their direction or get watered down. Bobby Roode is probably the most glaring example. Sami Zayn is up there.

But the way people act, you'd think every NXT call up is just immediately jobbed out and forgotten about. When in reality, they usually end up doing alright in the long term. In addition to who I listed already, I could add Bray Wyatt, Baron Corbin, Elias, Heavy Machinery, Viking Raiders, Street Profits, Apollo Crews, Matt Riddle and Murphy to acts who are currently prominently featured. It's definitely up for debate whether they're better or worse now than they were in NXT, but they're not being ruined and jobbed out for the most part (especially considering very few WWE superstars actually seem to win consistently).

Point being... TUE will probably be no different. One way or another, they're likely gonna find their place, win some titles, be major parts of the show they're on for some time. I'm sure regardless people will say they've been ruined, and they were better in NXT. But it is what is. If you're a fan of NXT more so than WWE (which I get, I'm probably in the same boat) of course you're gonna think everyone is better in NXT.

Shinsuke is the worst one. He came to the main roster as the most over guy in WWE and who gives a fuck about him now? He should’ve won the damn wwe title at WrestleMania after winning the Rumble not turned heel. His heel turn has been a total failure. Samoa Joe has only had the one memorable wwe title feud with AJ Styles. I disagree that his US Title reign was memorable. I honestly don’t remember a damn thing about it. All I remember is him bullying people and then losing. And Finn Balor got sent back to NXT so there you go.

 

[Sabretooth]

The popular narrative is “Vince kills everything he touches” so if a guy comes from NXT to the main roster and doesn’t immediately reach superstardom, then it’s attributed not knowing what to do with him.

The funny thing is they come to the main roster with superstardom already. That’s what NXT is for. The only place for them to go is down and that’s usually what happens.

 

[Hoss]

Shinsuke is the worst one. He came to the main roster as the most over guy in WWE and who gives a fuck about him now? He should’ve won the damn wwe title at WrestleMania after winning the Rumble not turned heel. His heel turn has been a total failure. Samoa Joe has only had the one memorable wwe title feud with AJ Styles. I disagree that his US Title reign was memorable. I honestly don’t remember a damn thing about it. All I remember is him bullying people and then losing. And Finn Balor got sent back to NXT so there you go.

I won't argue on the Shinsuke point, I do think he's well below where he could be in his career but once more, I will say that part of that is on him for not performing at the same level. He had a series of matches with AJ and not one of them is spoken about positively. Maybe the expectations for him were too high, maybe he just had a couple of off nights, but he's had some good opponents and opportunities, yet has no great matches on the main roster to show for it that I can think of. Joe - strong disagree. He also had a long program with AJ, a memorable go with Lesnar, he was in that awesome ER fiveway, and he was the US Champion at WrestleMania last year. He may have gotten somewhat shortchanged by having his match with Rey there being a squash but he was given plenty of camera time, and always has been, when he's healthy. Problem is, he can't stay healthy. Finn is somewhere in between. He's been featured, and he's also been an afterthought at times. He's been the victim of a lot of bad feuds, if anything. Honestly, I don't know the reason he was sent to NXT. He beat Lashley for the IC Title at last WrestleMania so it's not like they weren't giving him anything to work with up until recently. Tbh, I think he just went down to NXT to sell the severity of The Fiend and give NXT a bit more starpower for the Wednesday Night War. So, in that sense, I don't see the issue. Charlotte was just down in NXT and we know how favored she is.

 

[Hoss]

Bottom line though is your claim that guys that graduate to the main roster get jobbed out and then forgotten about is just untrue. In my opinion, the problem isn't that NXT call-ups get jobbed out, the problem is that you don't the main roster's booking as much as you like NXT's. Which if that's the case, that's totally understandable, but the two things are totally different.

 

[Sabretooth]

I won't argue on the Shinsuke point, I do think he's well below where he could be in his career but once more, I will say that part of that is on him for not performing at the same level. He had a series of matches with AJ and not one of them is spoken about positively. Maybe the expectations for him were too high, maybe he just had a couple of off nights, but he's had some good opponents and opportunities, yet has no great matches on the main roster to show for it that I can think of. Joe - strong disagree. He also had a long program with AJ, a memorable go with Lesnar, he was in that awesome ER fiveway, and he was the US Champion at WrestleMania last year. He may have gotten somewhat shortchanged by having his match with Rey there being a squash but he was given plenty of camera time, and always has been, when he's healthy. Problem is, he can't stay healthy. Finn is somewhere in between. He's been featured, and he's also been an afterthought at times. He's been the victim of a lot of bad feuds, if anything. Honestly, I don't know the reason he was sent to NXT. He beat Lashley for the IC Title at last WrestleMania so it's not like they weren't giving him anything to work with up until recently. Tbh, I think he just went down to NXT to sell the severity of The Fiend and give NXT a bit more starpower for the Wednesday Night War. So, in that sense, I don't see the issue. Charlotte was just down in NXT and we know how favored she is.

yeah all that shit you said about Samoa Joe happened at the beginning of his run which reinforces my point that they get a huge push at the beginning and then fade afterwards.