General Chit-Chat Thread: A New Beginning

[Comrade Khan]

people are so uneducated civicly, it sucks. just another kick in the balls from cutting education

 

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So if you're interested in hearing about early US history tho Jeff, the reason the Federal Government feels so weak is that largely speaking, the politicians and founding fathers who advocated for a strong central government were defeated and fizzled out in the early-1800s by the Democratic-Republicans, who eventually became the Modern Democratic Party when half the party split over Andrew Jackson's policies.

 

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In fact, Alexander Hamilton and John Adams advocated for royal titles for Congressmen in a hereditary role.

 

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(Which is insane to imagine today but this was the late-1700s, so it made sense back then.

 

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In fact there's still an amendment that was passed by Congress that is yet to be ratified (and probably never will) that did just that.

 

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Whoops, sorry, I got that wrong actually

 

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"The U.S. Constitution has a Titles of Nobility clause that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility and restricts government officials from receiving gifts, emoluments, offices, or titles from foreign states without Congress’s consent."

 

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Nevertheless, it's confirmed fact that Adams and Hamilton wanted Congress to be hereditary in the early Constitutional congress.

 

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When the Federalists were defeated in the key election of 1800, it spelled the end for a strong central government until Jackson enforced white nationalist doctrines in the 1830s. After that, the central government was largely stuck trying to keep things from falling apart on the issue of Slavery.

 

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So the history of the United States has always been something of a longstanding issue with the states wanting to enact their own policies, and the Federal Government itself having to find compromises to keep the states from leaving.

 

[Spitfire]

The States is too big to be one country

 

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That was of course until the Civil War happened and we all saw what happened there. I'd argue that the mid-to-late-1800s was the Federal Government at its strongest until the 60s.

 

[Spitfire]

simple and end all

 

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Maybe even FDR's Presidency.

 

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Sadly because of these early issues, we've always been a flawed country.