Game Show Mafia - GAME THREAD

[Odo]

This guy

I’ve already spelled out what we should do tomorrow

 

[Smart Marx]

Yeah he came off ready to fight straight away. And usually in a newer player that is a town tell.

What do you make of Odo last few posts where he isn't adding anything play wise. Still have him as town but it shakes that read slightly?

I kind of wish people wouldn't ask me about Odo as that always backfires on me.

TBH I don't see any Odo scum tells at the moment. His early push on Lethal looks good to me.

I think his responses to you are classic Odo and not really a strong indicator. One thing I would say is maybe indy if I had to lean off town, slightly. Other than his trolling of you, he did ask about NG which I think is a good direction if we think him ans Barry aren't likely to be aligned that makes sense to me for Odo to be town (or indy) and suggest that we go there.

 

[Odo]

Presence of a recruiter makes the split a bit to figure out

I assumed it’d be 12/4/1, but that feels way too punishing now

 

[RDK]

chiming in on gambit and posting gifs but not really interested in answering how him bringing up my soft was “good for the town” despite it apparently being so obviously that I should be seeing it. funny

A lot of lower tier players in this game seemingly and stuff like an early VT soft can help them know what to do (or not to do) with certain roles. Vanilla soft isn't as useful to scum right now imo. Early VT claims also deserve to be scrutinized to some degree unless a player is confirmed town (you're not ). I do believe you're town on play though.

 

[Poyser]

Presence of a recruiter makes the split a bit to figure out

I assumed it’d be 12/4/1, but that feels way too punishing now

must be 3 Mafia. the flip said they could recruit on D3 or later only if all his teammates were dead. pointless unlocking it on D3 if his teammates couldn’t possibly all be lynched by then

oh there’s probably a vig I guess

 

[Poyser]

A lot of lower tier players in this game seemingly and stuff like an early VT soft can help them know what to do (or not to do) with certain roles. Vanilla soft isn't as useful to scum right now imo. Early VT claims also deserve to be scrutinized to some degree unless a player is confirmed town (you're not ). I do believe you're town on play though.

this didn’t answer the question at all so thanks for that

 

[Roy Mustang]

Early VT claims I hate as town as it makes it easier for scum to work out their night roles. They know they don't have to rolecop a town player now they claimed that for example

 

[Smart Marx]

Presence of a recruiter makes the split a bit to figure out

I assumed it’d be 12/4/1, but that feels way too punishing now

I feel like 4 makes more sense because even without a recruit their numbers are only 23%

29% with the indy. 35% with the recruit. Roughly just more than you would want at 33%.

The numbers seem too small to take one away from the core when we see they don't have that recruit guaranteed.

 

[RDK]

this didn’t answer the question at all so thanks for that

I mean the first sentence literally says why I think it's good for town

 

[NotBrutus]

Hello, Sky signed me up for this even though I didn’t officially signed up. Any cliff notes?

 

[Tweet]

Hugeass post. TL;DR reads list is at the bottom.

- Game starts out with Smark fluffing a bit and then leaving cause he's partying or drunk or whatever, I've seen a similar entrance by him (minus the drunk party stuff) as scum before.

so lethal and ng aren't aligned with tweets when tweets flips scum

Inversely this means I'm not aligned with Lethal when he flips scum in case that needed to be pointed out again. I also don't think Chr1st0 declares "soandso is true WHEN tweet flips scum" if he knows I'm not actually scum, so Chr1st0 probably town?

- Bradatar votes The Man as the Lethal wagon starts rolling, may just be Brad being erratic or could have more meaning to it.

Oh dear. Here we go.

No comments on the Tweet/NG thing, Lethal coming in and complaining about activity seems like a non-alignment indicative thing for him to do. I get it's day 1 but it's not like we have much to go on, other than a few joke votes and The Man and Tweets votes on Lethal.

This post stank at the time and only got smellier in hindsight. Not only does he dismiss the wagon but also just points out that nothing is happening without even attempting to get things going himself. Barry is indeed one of the lesser players in most peoples perceptions but wallowing in defeat like that right from the start is simply awful.

This is the longest most complex fluff post I've ever seen

This came pretty quickly after Lethal made an attempt to feign his usual town play, looks very good for Raik in my opinion.

vote tweets

And this came only a handful of posts later. Completely nosells the wagon and votes me instead.

- Chr1st0 simultaneously says he also doesn't like Barrys posts, which points to the two of them not being aligned.

You can do. Most of it is fluff. Only case so far that seem based on stuff is Chr1st0's but I am not sure the point he is making. Oh unvote. Chr1st0 feels town

Also dismisses the Lethal wagon and thinks Chr1st0 is the only one who has a point wrt whatever he was doing. Which, as you can see above is voting me for no reason. Could be trying to buddy up to Chr1st0 and pocket him.

Fuck sake man. All I said was, "I think Lethal does both as either alignment". : That is not attaching myself in any way shape or form, that's just bringing up a good point.

You know what side also benefits from needless nitpicking and quick voting without allowing others to get their thoughts through, and once others do give their thoughts instantly sussing them for disagreeing with you? Hint: It sure as fuck isn't town.

Get the fuck outta here with that logic that we have to ALWAYS talk.

Super over the top reaction, but Odo has a point that decisively jumping to your teammates aid this early and blatantly is unlikely to be a move made by actual scum mates. Then again Barry isn't always the most careful and may really have just screwed up by tying himself to Lethal.

Maybe I should just sheep tweet. Would that make him happy? Never disagreeing with him and always sucking his dick even when his argument is shit? Or how about just making a discussion about anything.

Like Gambit, comes in, doesn't talk about anything important. Maybe we should vote him based off of that.

Or Smark. Comes in, talks about the new year, doesn't say anything important. Must be scum too.


Christ.

Overraction part two, but shading Gambit and Smark as well, so Barry probably not co-scum with either of them.

They have beef from last game this is a bad vote I don’t think lethal is scum dude.

Pretty cut-and-dry statement which looks bad knowing what we know about Lethal. Could always give it to Brad just being all over the place and not knowing what he's doing, but I wouldn't wanna let him off the hook so easily.

Barry I think it's the content that makes it alignment indicative.

Lethal posted a whole lot of nothing in his town meta which makes me think he is just saying shit to fit his usual town play.

Official vote Lethal

Moving forward the stalling Lethal wagon, again looks very good for Raik.

- Also Odo joined the wagon before this too, needless to say that looks good as well. Except think about this - Odo said earlier that Barry jumping to Lethals side is something a scummate would not do at that stage. Inversely, does Odo voting Lethal mean that in his mind that is something that a scummate would do in that situation? In other words is Odo scum by his own logic? Just a playful thought, like I said I'm not really interested in going after Odo after he supported that wagon pretty much all the way.

I might have missed your case as I was skim reading due to the amount of fluff in the first few pages. What is the case on Lethal that you made again?

Okay so Gambit missed The Mans case on Lethal because he just skimmed stuff, but said earlier that Chr1st0 is the only one who has a decent case? Both these things simply don't go together, how do you miss the one halfway decent case that was made and instead follow a "case" that you allegedly saw that isn't even there to begin with?

- Bradatar trying to shade The Man but immediately backs off after being shown that his progression makes no sense whatsoever. He does repeat though that lynching Lethal is "not the play", then votes me.

- Haza points out the inconsistencies in Bradatars play, more town points in my book.

- To cut this whole Bradatar thing short, I got reason to think he's scum but then again being erratic is pretty much par for him as far as I can tell. I would be interested in lynching him only if we're looking for one final scum and have found the rest. In other words, POE fodder.

- Barry seems halfway serious about calling Bradatar scum though, so probably not knowingly aligned again.

- NG is just being obnoxious and self-centered throughout all of this, never once even acknowledges the Lethal situation until asked to give his thoughts. Since it's him this is nothing to be alarmed about.

- Smark returns and the first thing he looks at is Bradatar (which he is commenting on but not shading), not Lethal. Then second post addresses NG and Barry. Third post is still about literally anything other than Lethal. including a little shade in my general direction.

- PHEN0M on the other hand makes his first post and instantly votes Lethal. Attaboi.

- Bradatar and NG not knowingly aligned.

- Chr1st0 out of nowhere wanting more votes on me. Talks about Lethal only when asked to by The Man but at least gives reasons for why he's not interested in the wagon.

Eagerly awaiting Smarks input

This isn't something Odo would do if him and Smark were co-scum, as Smarks scum mate you don't alert other people to his greatest scum tell.

just checking posts from some of the lower posters, really disappointing. gambitto asked me for my case and then blanked me after acting like it was nothing. gurryman has one throw away post which I don’t see the point of. i don’t mind a joke post/vote/entry if you are then going to be in the thread to do stuff but hate it when someone makes one joke post and pisses off.

does anyone know if klingon has played mafia before and if so how much? their posts have rubbed me up the wrong way

beginning to think this smark vader contribution isn’t going to happen

Pretty good summary of my thoughts on the less active posters at that stage as well.

Are you talking to me? You didn’t quote me.

What catchup? I already commented on the bigger things that’s happened today. It’s still early day 1.

I’m also still out enjoying my New Year’s.

Except he didn't, he still hadn't said a word about Lethal, who was the main talking point of that phase.

That has the sound of ‘leave me alone I’m doing what I’m supposed to be doing as town’

I get the same vibes, more town points for Odo.

- Gambit returns and catches up, comments on this and that, ends up voting Lethal.

- Lots of low-fiber posts by klingon, as I said, POE fodder barring unusual circumstances.

So brad is someone whose giving me bad vibes right now and I feel like I can trust Grim and Smark for now. Im working till 3 tommrrow from 7 am so I will try to get on before

I will lay a vote in b4 hand

First post by OMB and it stinks imo. Three seemingly random reads with no explanation, no thoughts on Lethal. I don't expect much from OMB after last game but there's no reason for me not to lean scum on him after this.

- Lethal claims. Chr1st0, The Man and Gambit immediately start questioning him about the role. Unless there's people in there throwing smoke bombs there's nothing but town motivation there. All three double down on the claim being fake as well.

This sounds more like gambling than a game show. I hope Sky didn’t give too many weird roles like this.

First reaction to Lethals claim. Don't let the emoji distract you from the fact that the general tone of this post is that he believes the role to be real.

Did you properly answer this question? It seems a little straightforward to just pick a card. You’d always win, right? There has to be more to this or this just...bad.

This post is put under a multiquote of Chr1st0s, The Mans and Gambits reactions to the claim, meaning Smark sees that people don't believe the claim before posting this. This post has an almost begging tone to it along the lines of "this can't be all you got right, tell em something they will believe".

It doesn't look like this is going anywhere.

I don't particularly like the wagon starting because of a Lethal entrance and/or the MQ...
but that claim feels like "hey don't lynch me because my role is weird and complicated."

Vote Lethal.

What do we need one more?

Smark votes Lethal but seems very reluctant about it, which gives me pause. At this stage and with this many people disbelieving the claim, would you be openly reluctant about voting off your teammate or be more assertive about it? I know I would simply go "yeah this claim is bullshit" and kiss my teammate goodbye so as to make myself look as good as possible. Then again Smark is never the most assertive of guys, nor a very good actor, not even fake assertive as far as I can tell.

Smells like SK

unvote. Vote lethal

NG with the hammer, after pretty much no-selling the Lethal situation for the most part. Would he say "Smells like SK" if they're co-scum though? Wouldn't he want the full credit of hammering scum instead of basically saying "oh I thought it was just the SK"?

- Lethal 9 - Tweet, Odo, PHEN0M, Gambit, Raik, KIF, the man, Smark, NG
If I had to pick who I think may be scum from this wagon it would have to be Smark and possibly KIF.

- Rising hammers after the flip is posted. His posts up until that point have been pretty null to me and this "hammer" is just wonky. Barring awful coordination I think this means NG and Rising aren't co-scum, since there's no reason for one to hammer and another to fake hammer if they can coordinate their actions. That being said Rising could very well be scum imo.

- Smark pretty much instantly believes Risings reason for the late hammer as well, this actually fits since in my mind they could be co-scum. On the other hand Smark heavily goes at Gambit who objectively looks better than Smark over the entire course of that wagon. Heck Gambit was one of the people who threw suspicion at Lethals claim from the moment he claimed.

That's until page 30 or so.

Overall reads:

Town: The Man, Odo, Raikkonen, PHEN0M
Town lean: Chr1st0, Gambit, NG, Barry (purely because I have reason to believe he's not aligned with Smark and/or Bradatar)
Scum lean: Smark, Bradatar, OMB, Rising

 

[Poyser]

no, you said it HAD been helpful for town. it hasnt been helpful at all which is why I wanted you to point it out. you saying how you think it could be helpful to town which is a load of bullshit isn’t answering the question

 

[Odo]

U r scum

Discuss

 

[Smart Marx]

Hello, Sky signed me up for this even though I didn’t officially signed up. Any cliff notes?

 

[Smart Marx]

Hugeass post. TL;DR reads list is at the bottom.

- Game starts out with Smark fluffing a bit and then leaving cause he's partying or drunk or whatever, I've seen a similar entrance by him (minus the drunk party stuff) as scum before.


Inversely this means I'm not aligned with Lethal when he flips scum in case that needed to be pointed out again. I also don't think Chr1st0 declares "soandso is true WHEN tweet flips scum" if he knows I'm not actually scum, so Chr1st0 probably town?

- Bradatar votes The Man as the Lethal wagon starts rolling, may just be Brad being erratic or could have more meaning to it.


This post stank at the time and only got smellier in hindsight. Not only does he dismiss the wagon but also just points out that nothing is happening without even attempting to get things going himself. Barry is indeed one of the lesser players in most peoples perceptions but wallowing in defeat like that right from the start is simply awful.


This came pretty quickly after Lethal made an attempt to feign his usual town play, looks very good for Raik in my opinion.


And this came only a handful of posts later. Completely nosells the wagon and votes me instead.

- Chr1st0 simultaneously says he also doesn't like Barrys posts, which points to the two of them not being aligned.


Also dismisses the Lethal wagon and thinks Chr1st0 is the only one who has a point wrt whatever he was doing. Which, as you can see above is voting me for no reason. Could be trying to buddy up to Chr1st0 and pocket him.


Super over the top reaction, but Odo has a point that decisively jumping to your teammates aid this early and blatantly is unlikely to be a move made by actual scum mates. Then again Barry isn't always the most careful and may really have just screwed up by tying himself to Lethal.


Overraction part two, but shading Gambit and Smark as well, so Barry probably not co-scum with either of them.


Pretty cut-and-dry statement which looks bad knowing what we know about Lethal. Could always give it to Brad just being all over the place and not knowing what he's doing, but I wouldn't wanna let him off the hook so easily.


Moving forward the stalling Lethal wagon, again looks very good for Raik.

- Also Odo joined the wagon before this too, needless to say that looks good as well. Except think about this - Odo said earlier that Barry jumping to Lethals side is something a scummate would not do at that stage. Inversely, does Odo voting Lethal mean that in his mind that is something that a scummate would do in that situation? In other words is Odo scum by his own logic? Just a playful thought, like I said I'm not really interested in going after Odo after he supported that wagon pretty much all the way.


Okay so Gambit missed The Mans case on Lethal because he just skimmed stuff, but said earlier that Chr1st0 is the only one who has a decent case? Both these things simply don't go together, how do you miss the one halfway decent case that was made and instead follow a "case" that you allegedly saw that isn't even there to begin with?

- Bradatar trying to shade The Man but immediately backs off after being shown that his progression makes no sense whatsoever. He does repeat though that lynching Lethal is "not the play", then votes me.

- Haza points out the inconsistencies in Bradatars play, more town points in my book.

- To cut this whole Bradatar thing short, I got reason to think he's scum but then again being erratic is pretty much par for him as far as I can tell. I would be interested in lynching him only if we're looking for one final scum and have found the rest. In other words, POE fodder.

- Barry seems halfway serious about calling Bradatar scum though, so probably not knowingly aligned again.

- NG is just being obnoxious and self-centered throughout all of this, never once even acknowledges the Lethal situation until asked to give his thoughts. Since it's him this is nothing to be alarmed about.

- Smark returns and the first thing he looks at is Bradatar (which he is commenting on but not shading), not Lethal. Then second post addresses NG and Barry. Third post is still about literally anything other than Lethal. including a little shade in my general direction.

- PHEN0M on the other hand makes his first post and instantly votes Lethal. Attaboi.

- Bradatar and NG not knowingly aligned.

- Chr1st0 out of nowhere wanting more votes on me. Talks about Lethal only when asked to by The Man but at least gives reasons for why he's not interested in the wagon.


This isn't something Odo would do if him and Smark were co-scum, as Smarks scum mate you don't alert other people to his greatest scum tell.


Pretty good summary of my thoughts on the less active posters at that stage as well.


Except he didn't, he still hadn't said a word about Lethal, who was the main talking point of that phase.


I get the same vibes, more town points for Odo.

- Gambit returns and catches up, comments on this and that, ends up voting Lethal.

- Lots of low-fiber posts by klingon, as I said, POE fodder barring unusual circumstances.


First post by OMB and it stinks imo. Three seemingly random reads with no explanation, no thoughts on Lethal. I don't expect much from OMB after last game but there's no reason for me not to lean scum on him after this.

- Lethal claims. Chr1st0, The Man and Gambit immediately start questioning him about the role. Unless there's people in there throwing smoke bombs there's nothing but town motivation there. All three double down on the claim being fake as well.


First reaction to Lethals claim. Don't let the emoji distract you from the fact that the general tone of this post is that he believes the role to be real.


This post is put under a multiquote of Chr1st0s, The Mans and Gambits reactions to the claim, meaning Smark sees that people don't believe the claim before posting this. This post has an almost begging tone to it along the lines of "this can't be all you got right, tell em something they will believe".


Smark votes Lethal but seems very reluctant about it, which gives me pause. At this stage and with this many people disbelieving the claim, would you be openly reluctant about voting off your teammate or be more assertive about it? I know I would simply go "yeah this claim is bullshit" and kiss my teammate goodbye so as to make myself look as good as possible. Then again Smark is never the most assertive of guys, nor a very good actor, not even fake assertive as far as I can tell.


NG with the hammer, after pretty much no-selling the Lethal situation for the most part. Would he say "Smells like SK" if they're co-scum though? Wouldn't he want the full credit of hammering scum instead of basically saying "oh I thought it was just the SK"?

- Lethal 9 - Tweet, Odo, PHEN0M, Gambit, Raik, KIF, the man, Smark, NG
If I had to pick who I think may be scum from this wagon it would have to be Smark and possibly KIF.

- Rising hammers after the flip is posted. His posts up until that point have been pretty null to me and this "hammer" is just wonky. Barring awful coordination I think this means NG and Rising aren't co-scum, since there's no reason for one to hammer and another to fake hammer if they can coordinate their actions. That being said Rising could very well be scum imo.

- Smark pretty much instantly believes Risings reason for the late hammer as well, this actually fits since in my mind they could be co-scum. On the other hand Smark heavily goes at Gambit who objectively looks better than Smark over the entire course of that wagon. Heck Gambit was one of the people who threw suspicion at Lethals claim from the moment he claimed.

That's until page 30 or so.

Overall reads:

Town: The Man, Odo, Raikkonen, PHEN0M
Town lean: Chr1st0, Gambit, NG, Barry (purely because I have reason to believe he's not aligned with Smark and/or Bradatar)
Scum lean: Smark, Bradatar, OMB, Rising

Every point on this is riddled with falsities. Where to start...